99% chance to make the playoffs and a 96% chance to win the division when they were 8-3. Trevor got hurt and that mucked up the works but Jax had some bad losses. They just needed to not go 1-5.
Black Monday watch
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The Panthers have fired GM Scott Fitterer. They’ll be hiring a new head coach and GM.
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The Panthers have fired GM Scott Fitterer. They’ll be hiring a new head coach and GM.
Just for trading the farm for the wrong QB and making the franchise appear inept? Tough room.
If rumors are true that came from ownership, so very on brand for a guy like Tepper "how dare you not stop me from fucking up!"
Being away from Tepper is probably a good thing. Didn’t they base their analysis on some kind of test about decision making that Stroud scored low on?
To be fair, the league as a whole considers this new cognitive test much more effective than the previous Wonderlic that was used. And Stroud finished a VERY DISTANT third among the top 3 QBs. I would tend to look at this situation more as a success for the Texans to see through the noise, than failure by the Panthers (they already have a lot of other failures to answer for).
When you have a chance to draft the guy who is in the 1st percentile for size in the NFL, you do it. Especially when you eschew the guy who went toe to toe with Georgia in the college playoff a few months earlier to do it.
It is absolutely amazing to me that a team sees how Mac and Tua struggled with crappy teams around them and says "let's draft the next "physically average" guy in that line of QBs, and trade away our best WR and a shit ton of draft capital to do it, after we've traded away our all-world RB."
I think it's more effective in the sense that some teams think it has some value and the Wonderlic is now mostly correctly seen as without any worth.
I doubt many teams put all that much stock in either versus workouts and film evaluation.
Fully agree. This isn't very insightful analysis but: the guy is a total hard on.
So obviously it was expected, but it does crack me up that they hired Bieniemy as the HC in waiting, and he took it to prove he could suceed without Andy Reid..... and their offense was exactly the same (24th best offense).
So now we have a "Hardo" coach and a "Hard On" owner in the NFL? We're going to have to distinguish these football monikers a little better. If there is a "Try Hard", then I'll be totally lost...
It's probably easier to call the owner a douche. I wonder if he threw drinks on his own fans after losing yesterday.
It's interesting because had Houston NOT won it's final game last season and picked first, word is they were going to take Bryce Young.
Incredible that nobody has any idea who the best players will actually be and yet we all (me included) foam at the mouth over draft position. /hijack
Could trading Bill and the 3rd overall pick to Washington all the Pars to move up to 2nd overall?
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ESPN's (very good and plugged into Harris) beat reporter, John Keim, has already flat out said that Belichick isn't going to the Commanders.
View: https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1743795335489564802#m
The rumors are that Josh Harris wants to go with a GM at the top of football operations, which is what he's familiar with from the NBA and NHL.
It's tough for me to imagine someone wanting to hire BB to be coach and GM. Coach, definitely yes. But if he demands both, he'll probably have to retire.
Atlanta may give this to him. Probably Carolina too. But the latter would be shocking from BBs point of view.
There's probably a pretty solid group of unsuccessful, egomaniac owners who would do anything to be affiliated with Belichick, and give in to nearly any demand he makes. That said, I think Belichick can spot the frauds a mile away and wouldn't want to work for them.
It was perfectly timed by Bill such that there’s no time for reflection on the season or next steps, and no point in recapping the game.
He reaffirmed he’s ready to coach and flexible as long as he has final say. If his agent (or whatever he is now) didn’t coach him on this exactly then he’s a bad person. It was simple, just what Zolak forecast, and for audience of one: nothing to see here Robert, I’m on to ‘24.
Really? It's tough to imagine someone would hire the coach with the most SB wins and the greatest overall resume of any current option?
I know people like prospects, but at some point you have to recognize that some teams are going to go for track record over 'the last two years'... I pulled up one random article from the Athletic listing 'top coaching candidates' - https://theathletic.com/5184705/2024/01/08/nfl-head-coach-candidates-raiders-chargers-commanders/ , and it's full of stuff like
Flores’ work as architect and leader of one of the most aggressive defenses in the league turned heads... He went 24-25 as Dolphins head coach from 2019-2021.
and even Dan Quinn, who's a hot candidate, was also a head coach for 6 years not all that long ago with an overall record that isn't even better than BB's last 6 years (that are so bad he's apparently getting run out of town)
Quinn finished his tenure in Atlanta with a 43–42 (.506) regular season record, 3–2 (.600) playoff record and a 46–44 (.511) career record.
It's not necessarily wrong to argue that you want to chase hot hands or that BB is too old or has lost it, but the idea that no-one would hire BB is just silly
Is there a chance hiring Bob Myers to help find a new executive is in the dick Cheney leading the VP search mode?
It's going to be wild around here when BB moves on with no compensation to the Patriots and then Kraft trades a pick or two for Vrabel.
Relax. Don't be calling the local news. It was a joke based on the 50/50 comment about the Titans retaining Vrabel. He's kind of dangling out there and even if the Titans kind of, sort of, maybe are willing to keep it him, it wouldn't take much of a push.
That said, as I said a while ago, I do think the Patriots won't get compensation for BB if he moves on. That isn't a joke. The comments from BB earlier today seem in line with that.
I mean, this is my fear as well. It's not totally rational but I could see it playing out. The Titans have come out publicly to support Vrabel. He's in the prime of his coaching career. I wouldn't give up anything for him, but RKK might. The Bill situation is unique in many ways. We have no idea what he's actually thinking, or how he wants to do this. He could definitely out maneuver Kraft.
In order of what I want:
1. BB to remain here as coach with some added legit GM help.
2. BB to remain here in full, singular control over everything, with no GM help added.
3. BB gone but traded to another team and they get a good draft pick in return; Pats hire a stud young coach.
4. BB gone with no compensation and the Pats hire a stud young coach.
5. BB gone with no compensation and the Pats have to trade away draft capital to acquire a guy like Vrabel.
1. BB to remain here as coach with some added legit GM help.
2. BB to remain here in full, singular control over everything, with no GM help added.
3. BB gone but traded to another team and they get a good draft pick in return; Pats hire a stud young coach.
4. BB gone with no compensation and the Pats hire a stud young coach.
5. BB gone with no compensation and the Pats have to trade away draft capital to acquire a guy like Vrabel.
#5 should be like #99. Given the needs we have, trading draft capital to get rid of BB and hire Vrabel would be an epic disaster.
I also think the odds of that happening are 0%. It shouldn't be in the choice list.
I should hope you're right. But crazier things have happened.
Like....Carroll was fired and then Kraft spent a #1 pick to hire Belichick. So it's not like it's never been done by this ownership. And at that point, let's be honest, BB hadn't yet become BILL BELICHICK so the jury was still very much out on him as a HC.
I have already said enough about why I think this is just not going to happen, so I'll spare everyone a rehash..
It won't happen either, but if BB wanted to go to Tennessee, maybe I could squint and see a direct swap for Vrabel with a couple of (minor) other pieces coming the Pats way.
Nope, squinting, still can't see it. No incentive for Bill at all.
I kind of assume that was because the league forced some compensation because Bill technically agreed to be the HC of the Jets before bailing on them.
Totally understand. I was just reacting to the post which suggested that Kraft might want Vrabel and might be willing to give compensation for him. And I didn't say that the Pats would give their #3 pick for Vrabel. Just "draft capital" in a more vague sense. I don't know how likely my #5 is, but it's for sure my least favorite of the five options, by a mile. I'd hate it.
His father was also a part owner of the Redskins and him (and the other minority partners) was part of the push that got the name changed.