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This is how I feel. You just have to be a physical specimen to play QB in the league now. Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, etc. all these guys make plays with their legs and made it mostly through the season without injury. The pocket passers and the small guys have to play perfectly to be effective and not be maimed because the defenders are ridiculous athletes. The league can make all the rules biased to the protection of QBs, unless they make it flag football, QBs will eventually get hit or tackled outside the box.
Think of the decision Miami has to make about paying Tua. Will he last? Is he worth it? Is it a matter of time before he is injured again?
It's not a great position to be in but you definitely pay Tua. He's effective in that offense, just had a healthy year and they are on the upswing as a team. I don't think you mess with that. Invest in the Oline, keep working on the defense.
why?
I ask this seriously. Other than him having played here I have no idea why anyone would want him. He's been in the worst division in football and he's been on a downward trajectory every year after year 2, he's constantly fighting with his GMs, and he has literally nothing to hang his hat on, they had one nice little playoff run off a 9-7 season, then the next two years shit the bed at home in the first round, then fell apart. His coaching resume is less impressive than Bill O'Brien's, he doesn't have some scheme rep to lean on, his whole thing is just "leader of men" nonsense and it hasn't seemed to work.
After a series of trades but the initial pick was number 16. Also a draft where the Jets had 4 first round picks and got Ellis, John Abraham, Pennington and Anthony Becht.
i don’t want Vrabel but I think the attraction to him comes from fans who want the current defense without Bill (because of GM/offense). Same as Mayo except Vrabel has head coaching experience (as underwhelming as it is)
Using that same logic, why would anyone want Bill Belichick? Because he has the Brady years to hang his hat on?
Vrabel is 36-31 the last 4 years. Belichick is 29-38.
Vrabel is solid coach who has not had the best roster, especially at QB, because Tannehill kept getting injured. And then Levis showed some flashes and immediately got injured, too.
I feel totally incapable of judging how good coaches are outside of certain in game decisions, which is a comparatively small part of the job.
the proxy most folks seem to use is something like
(how good I thought the team was) - (how well they actually performed) = how good the head coach is
which is extremely fraught for all sorts of reasons. how do people think about coaching quality?
the proxy most folks seem to use is something like
(how good I thought the team was) - (how well they actually performed) = how good the head coach is
which is extremely fraught for all sorts of reasons. how do people think about coaching quality?
Vrabel is a strong coach, and outperformed at least my expectations, but has already shown he has the same struggle with offense as his mentor.
I'd rather Mayo, same quality DNA but hopefully more evolved.
In Kraft I trust.
And he did pretty good when Tannehill was healthy. Better than Miami did I believe. He seemed to find a way to work with the strengths and weaknesses of his players and found some success. Would much rather him than Mayo or Josh. I could be talked into some hotshot OC though.
That’s my biggest knock on Mayo. He also has never called the defense before and he hasn’t coached anywhere else besides under Bill.
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A top defensive coordinator now available:
Sources say the #Giants and DC Don “Wink” Martindale are parting ways.
Martindale interviewed for HC jobs in the past, and he could get more looks, as well.
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Don "Wink" Martindale has resigned, to be more specific. He'll be coveted and won't be out of work for long. Expect Drew and Kevin Wilkins, two top assistants, to join him.
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A top defensive coordinator now available:
Sources say the #Giants and DC Don “Wink” Martindale are parting ways.
Martindale interviewed for HC jobs in the past, and he could get more looks, as well.
EDIT:
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Don "Wink" Martindale has resigned, to be more specific. He'll be coveted and won't be out of work for long. Expect Drew and Kevin Wilkins, two top assistants, to join him.
My #1 wish list in the "other than Bill cat"
Nick Caserio VP of Football operations/GM
Bobby Slowik HC
Caserio has 20yrs of success in various roles with NE and is still young enough to be here for 20 more.
Slowik is even younger and has a great track record with young QBs which the next HC is going to need.
More likely than not one or both flame out but if they hit you could have your next 10-15yrs covered. Much prefer to shoot for upside than bringing in some retreads.
Nick Caserio VP of Football operations/GM
Bobby Slowik HC
Caserio has 20yrs of success in various roles with NE and is still young enough to be here for 20 more.
Slowik is even younger and has a great track record with young QBs which the next HC is going to need.
More likely than not one or both flame out but if they hit you could have your next 10-15yrs covered. Much prefer to shoot for upside than bringing in some retreads.
Huh? If they make a "trade" it's going to be to add a pick, not move up one spot, imo
Why are people talking about Caserio? He spent years being stuck under the Jack Easterby dysfunction and he finally gets a QB and a decent coach … and he’s going to leave? Why would he do that?
Not sure Slowick has a “great track record” with young QB’s. We can credit him for getting good results with Stroud but how much he had to do with Purdy is unknown.
It would be a meteoric rise to go from defensive quality control coach to head coach replacing Bill Belichick in 5 years. One year of coordinator experience, no experience building or managing a staff…not saying it couldn’t work out but that’s a mighty thin resume
The Giants got boat-raced in a handful of games, especially the two Dallas games, but I thought the D was ultimately not that bad considering the offense was such hot garbage and giving up lots of turnovers and short fields and such for much of the year.
I am convinced. Especially is Caserio is part of the transition of BB to the next chapter.
Slowik might be a talented offensive mind but we have no idea how he'd be as a manager of a whole team. Gives me early Josh McD to Denver vibes. I'd let him develop a bit more.
Caserio, sure. But he's had his bad drafts too.
Caserio? The Pats drafts were pretty bad during his years in charge (to the extent he or anyone but Bill was). Yes, the Texans made the playoffs this year but Caserio’s record in NE gives me pause.
The first part isn't true. Duron Harmon spilled the beans years ago:
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/duron-harmon-confirms-jerod-mayo-is-calling-the-defensive-plays/381896/
Reports have been that he and Steve Belichick have been splitting the duties of calling plays since 2019:
https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-want-to-keep-de-facto-dc-jerod-mayo-but-not-matt-patricias-play-calling-012339951.html
Mayo has shared defensive play-calling duties with fellow linebackers coach Steve Belichick since the exit of Brian Flores, who held the same role, in 2019. The results were strong this season, with the Patriots ranking fifth in the NFL in yards allowed per play, with 5.0, despite losing the likes of Dont’a Hightower, J.C. Jackson and Stephon Gilmore the past two seasons.
Known interest and/or interview requests (GM):
Mike Greenberg, AGM, TB (CAR)
Brandon Brown, AGM, NYG (CAR)
Brandt Tilis, VP Football Ops, KC (CAR)
Alec Halaby, AGM, PHI (CAR/WAS)
Mike Borgonzi, AGM, KC (WAS)
Adam Peters, AGM, SF (WAS/LV)
Trey Brown, Sr. Personnel Exec, CIN (LV)
Terrence Gray, Dir. Player Personnel, BUF (LV)
Ed Dodds, AGM, IND (LV)
Mike Greenberg, AGM, TB (CAR)
Brandon Brown, AGM, NYG (CAR)
Brandt Tilis, VP Football Ops, KC (CAR)
Alec Halaby, AGM, PHI (CAR/WAS)
Mike Borgonzi, AGM, KC (WAS)
Adam Peters, AGM, SF (WAS/LV)
Trey Brown, Sr. Personnel Exec, CIN (LV)
Terrence Gray, Dir. Player Personnel, BUF (LV)
Ed Dodds, AGM, IND (LV)
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A guy who gets rid of the ball fast with something on it is always worth it.
Mostly because I have no idea how much of the success of the defense should be attributed to him. Is it him, or is it Steve, or is it Bill? Can he do it without Steve and Bill?
To me Tua only checks one of those boxes, though. I still think his arm strength is limiting to certain areas of the field and were it not for his superb anticipation my guess is we'd see some Mac Jones-ian INTs weekly. Physically he's very lacking. I'd pay him because he's a good enough starter, but I don't envision him ever being a guy that maximizes the talent around him. Put Josh Allen on the Dolphins and they'd score 600 points.
adam petes worked for denver back when they were good he couild marry the broncos stong def of the mid 2010's with sf off for u guys
They fired a couple of his assistants and he resigned in protest. Certainly feels like Daboll tried to shift blame and Wink told him to stuff it.
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Sources: The #Jaguars have fired defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell and his staff.
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Sources: The #Jaguars have fired defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell and his staff.
Boy Jax really collapsed. 8-3, then went 1-5 down the stretch. I know it coincided with Lawrence being banged up, but they have a lousy Tennessee team the last game of the year and they can't manage to win it? Rough.
They need new blood on the defensive side, the secondary in particularly has been weak, not very physical. I'm ok with this change
Interesting, Pederson got canned in Philly after refusing to shitcan certain coaches Roseman identified, so I’m inclined to think that he genuinely thinks a change is necessary.
Can you go into more detail? I'm curious about the new test. The Wonderlic was bullshit.
What I heard on a podcast prior to last year’s draft is that it tries to map to decision making and not general intelligence like the wonderlic. Young and Purdy* supposed to have aced it, Stroud not so good.
*don’t know if his class was first to to use it
https://www.s2cognition.com/
It's probably mostly nonsense too, but they got a big boost when it came out that Purdy crushed it when PUrdy-mania was at it's peak/
Edit- though I think part of it is the founders say it's more complicated than just a test, it is supposed to identify areas and help you improve I think?
Any intelligence test that tests general intelligence but is then used to assess a specific skill is very likely to be distorted. I'm sure some programmer will come up with a VR simulation for QBs and others that's going to be much more useful.
Yeah the gist I got was it was a decision-making type test, could just be a brand new style of BS but remains to be seen. This podcast got into it, with the host (Pablo Torre) taking the test himself. FWIW the seemingly book-smart Harvard grad Pablo did not do too well, so this does not appear to be a straight intelligence test.
View: https://youtu.be/MmSwk1tM6Is?si=w9vhIZSx32weY6z1
What they really would need is something that is timed and game like. As mentioned above, almost like a Madden VR, can you quickly evaluate the defenses and make the right read of who to throw to? Doesn’t seem like rocket science, and given the millions that teams are investing in these guys, there should be a market for it. Pocket presence would be pretty hard to test, I think - that’s a tough one.
https://footballscoop.com/news/new-orleans-saints-reportedly-considering-adding-jon-gruden-to-staff
Also helped install the offense for Carr last offseason, I believe.
Isn't this basically what they do 20-50 times every Saturday? Why would they need a simulator?
But less seriously, I always thought that making a video game that simulates being a QB in the NFL would be really popular - and show how hard it is to be a QB. Having 2-3 seconds to look at 5-10 people and figure out where they are/where they are going to be while another group of people are trying to take your head off isn't as easy as it looks.
