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I mean, it's possible the Celtics like him more than you or CellarDoor do.

He also wouldn't have to compete for minutes next year, Hauser and Davison are in much different places in their development.

Their calculus could easily just be, is it better for us to trade our non-rotation 25 year old guard that's going to make 4M next year and replace him with a non-rotation 20 year old guard we drafted who will make less than 2M?

I don't know if the Celtics see more in Davison than you do, but if they like him even a little, it would make sense to have him as a back of the roster prospect while saving them money at the same time.

At a minimum, I'd much rather have a young guy like Davison the Celtics can dream on rather than sign next years version of Justin Jackson for the end of the roster.
Developing an uber athletic 4th PG on the cheap is a reasonable use of the 15th roster spot. JJD has done what Celtics brass want him to do: distribute the basketball well, (8.8 apg in the G league, after a great assist showing in summer league) and attack the basket. His shooting from three has been just OK, at 35.7% on only 2.5 per game.

I will be surprised if they don’t have Davison in their plans as a development PG. Maybe I am off base, and they don’t think his size at 6’1” fits in with what they want from their PGs, with their switching defense, and go in a different direction this summer.
 

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I mean, it's possible the Celtics like him more than you or CellarDoor do.

He also wouldn't have to compete for minutes next year, Hauser and Davison are in much different places in their development.

Their calculus could easily just be, is it better for us to trade our non-rotation 25 year old guard that's going to make 4M next year and replace him with a non-rotation 20 year old guard we drafted who will make less than 2M?

I don't know if the Celtics see more in Davison than you do, but if they like him even a little, it would make sense to have him as a back of the roster prospect while saving them money at the same time.

At a minimum, I'd much rather have a young guy like Davison the Celtics can dream on rather than sign next years version of Justin Jackson for the end of the roster.
If they like Davison at all, it makes sense to do one of those super-cheap 3 year deals. (I don't know how much they like him.)
 

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I mean, it's possible the Celtics like him more than you or CellarDoor do.

He also wouldn't have to compete for minutes next year, Hauser and Davison are in much different places in their development.

Their calculus could easily just be, is it better for us to trade our non-rotation 25 year old guard that's going to make 4M next year and replace him with a non-rotation 20 year old guard we drafted who will make less than 2M?

I don't know if the Celtics see more in Davison than you do, but if they like him even a little, it would make sense to have him as a back of the roster prospect while saving them money at the same time.

At a minimum, I'd much rather have a young guy like Davison the Celtics can dream on rather than sign next years version of Justin Jackson for the end of the roster.
The funny thing about this is that I do kinda like Davison to have a chance to make it in this league. We aren’t in developmental mode to where it will be with us so it’s not the best use of resources for a team who is up against caps/taxes to acquire players to help us win now. That’s the difference between being in win-mode and developmental-mode. It doesn’t mean I don’t think JD can make it…..he just isn’t going to have an opportunity to make it with us.
 

mcpickl

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The funny thing about this is that I do kinda like Davison to have a chance to make it in this league. We aren’t in developmental mode to where it will be with us so it’s not the best use of resources for a team who is up against caps/taxes to acquire players to help us win now. That’s the difference between being in win-mode and developmental-mode. It doesn’t mean I don’t think JD can make it…..he just isn’t going to have an opportunity to make it with us.
Why do the last couple spots on the roster matter in win-mode?

If they had a young player instead of Justin Jackson or Noah Vonleh this year would it have hurt their chances of winning a championship at all?
 

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Why do the last couple spots on the roster matter in win-mode?

If they had a young player instead of Justin Jackson or Noah Vonleh this year would it have hurt their chances of winning a championship at all?
We have one spot available and are trying to add a veteran buy-out guy as the young player isn’t going to be given any attention as this isn’t the clubs focus. We are looking to find a piece that CAN potentially help this year…..we aren’t caring about developing anything right now except a Championship. It’s a clear organizational focus right now.
 

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Am I wrong in thinking Green probably isn’t going to steal Hauser’s minutes and should therefore sign with Cavs where he actually could beat out guys like Okoro and Wade?
I don’t think he beats them out either. He’s more or less depth insurance to both teams so we aren’t playing Jason Jackson, or whatever his name was (and probably still is), to play actual rotation minutes in a pinch.
 

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We have one spot available and are trying to add a veteran buy-out guy as the young player isn’t going to be given any attention as this isn’t the clubs focus. We are looking to find a piece that CAN potentially help this year…..we aren’t caring about developing anything right now except a Championship. It’s a clear organizational focus right now.
Stanley Johnson isn't a bad defensive WING if that's an interest

If Brad/Celtics think JD has a future, & they don't think the 15th man on the roster will move the needle, they could make this pitch to his agent:
Hey we're considering adding JD to the 15-man roster. He'll only get garbage time minutes this season, but we like his potential. He'll need to work on his 3pt shooting and go to Vegas this summer. If that all works out would JD be interested in signing a 3yr/$5.5M guarantee, with a chance of being a high-energy off/def PG in the future. Its worked out for San Hauser this year and that's what we plan to do with young players we like in the future. JD will be surrounded by veterans focused on a Championship run and learn from the best...or he can stay on a 2-way contract.

I bet JD's agent wouldn't let Brad get off the phone before saying yes...
 

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So I don't think Davison on a multi-year deal works at this point, for a simple reason:

The Celtics have 11 full roster spots next year, they'll likely pick up Muscala for 12, and want to bring back Grant for 13.

I doubt they want to go into free agency and the draft with only 1 roster spot available. And I don't think Davison is a player they need to give an offer over the minimum to keep, he may even only have 2 way offers next year, given he hasn't shown anything really, he's not likely to be particularly in demand.

Hauser was a bit different, he was getting some NBA time and shooting 43% from 3 in it, and the Celtics had a bunch of space on the roster in terms of guys who weren't likely to be back (Fitts, Stauskas, Morgan)
 

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Who knows how much he had left, but Green is still a much better defender than Hauser and has been a 40% 3 point shooter over the last decade. Sounds like he's not coming here anyway, but unless Hauser catches fire (similar to his last few games), Green would absolutely be taking his playoff minutes, limited as they may be.
 

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So I don't think Davison on a multi-year deal works at this point, for a simple reason:

The Celtics have 11 full roster spots next year, they'll likely pick up Muscala for 12, and want to bring back Grant for 13.

I doubt they want to go into free agency and the draft with only 1 roster spot available. And I don't think Davison is a player they need to give an offer over the minimum to keep, he may even only have 2 way offers next year, given he hasn't shown anything really, he's not likely to be particularly in demand.

Hauser was a bit different, he was getting some NBA time and shooting 43% from 3 in it, and the Celtics had a bunch of space on the roster in terms of guys who weren't likely to be back (Fitts, Stauskas, Morgan)
Exactly. This is Win Now vs. Developmental in a nutshell. The roster spots and salary dollars are crucial to securing veteran depth that can play when called upon.
 

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At 35 or whatever I’m not sure that’s true. He’s a lower volume scorer and rebounder (per 36). Still puts up defensive counting stats though.

Also seems like he doesn’t agree with you since he went Cavs.
 

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So I don't think Davison on a multi-year deal works at this point, for a simple reason:

The Celtics have 11 full roster spots next year, they'll likely pick up Muscala for 12, and want to bring back Grant for 13.

I doubt they want to go into free agency and the draft with only 1 roster spot available. And I don't think Davison is a player they need to give an offer over the minimum to keep, he may even only have 2 way offers next year, given he hasn't shown anything really, he's not likely to be particularly in demand.

Hauser was a bit different, he was getting some NBA time and shooting 43% from 3 in it, and the Celtics had a bunch of space on the roster in terms of guys who weren't likely to be back (Fitts, Stauskas, Morgan)
I have no idea what Brad & Co opinion is on JD or if they view the 15th spot as crucial to winning now

BUT they have no first-round picks and one 2nd round pick (who will probably slide into a 2-way role).

Can't imagine they'll be active in the free-agent market other than Grant's RFA
 

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Tankathon shows the Celtics as having three 2d round picks (41, 52 and 60) with many contingencies in play that may cause that number to decline.
 

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What we do during the buyout market probably will turn on whether a relatively unknown/unheralded guy Brad likes is available. Like, I don't see why going after Stanley Johnson makes sense, for anyone, so he won't have a robust market. Does Brad like him for some reason? Then maybe we get him.
 

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What we do during the buyout market probably will turn on whether a relatively unknown/unheralded guy Brad likes is available. Like, I don't see why going after Stanley Johnson makes sense, for anyone, so he won't have a robust market. Does Brad like him for some reason? Then maybe we get him.
Agreed on Johnson. What made Danny Green the consumate role player was how fundamentally sound he was both defensively and offensively as a spot-up shooter while able to be plugged into an offensive set. Johnson isn’t reliable defensively nor is he a good system guy offensively. Hard pass.
 

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Tankathon shows the Celtics as having three 2d round picks (41, 52 and 60) with many contingencies in play that may cause that number to decline.
They just have one second rounder this year, will probably be from Portland unless Houston gets out of the worst two records.

I have no idea what Brad & Co opinion is on JD or if they view the 15th spot as crucial to winning now

BUT they have no first-round picks and one 2nd round pick (who will probably slide into a 2-way role).

Can't imagine they'll be active in the free-agent market other than Grant's RFA
Yeah, I can't see how they'd be a player in free agency. At most they'd have one bullet to fire with the taxpayer MLE, then just minimums.

With this upcoming draft being their third straight without a first round pick, I'd be looking to add some youth to the end of the roster.
 
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Euclis20

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They just have one second rounder this year, will probably be from Portland unless Houston gets out of the worst two records.



Yeah, I can't see how they'd be a player in free agency. At most they'd have one bullet to fire with the taxpayer MLE, then just minimums.

With this upcoming draft being their third straight without a first round pick, I'd be looking to add some youth to the end of the roster.
It's pretty funny to look up and see that tatum is the second youngest on the team not on a 2-way deal. He's still young (relatively speaking), but the team as a whole certainly isn't.
 

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Green is a nice fit in Cleveland…and would have been a great get for Celts.

Hauser’s last few games give some confidence the need is less than I thought a month ago fortunately
 

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It's pretty funny to look up and see that tatum is the second youngest on the team not on a 2-way deal. He's still young (relatively speaking), but the team as a whole certainly isn't.
That's kind of the ideal NBA roster though, right? Superstar turning 25, and most other guys in their 26-31 prime?
 

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So I don't think Davison on a multi-year deal works at this point, for a simple reason:

The Celtics have 11 full roster spots next year, they'll likely pick up Muscala for 12, and want to bring back Grant for 13.

I doubt they want to go into free agency and the draft with only 1 roster spot available. And I don't think Davison is a player they need to give an offer over the minimum to keep, he may even only have 2 way offers next year, given he hasn't shown anything really, he's not likely to be particularly in demand.

Hauser was a bit different, he was getting some NBA time and shooting 43% from 3 in it, and the Celtics had a bunch of space on the roster in terms of guys who weren't likely to be back (Fitts, Stauskas, Morgan)
One of the 11 full roster spots is Pritchard and another is Gallinari, both of whom iare reasonably likely to be gone. Assuming Grant signs, those two leave, and Muscala's option is picked up, that is 11. Under those circumstances I could see them wanting to retain JD if they like what they have seen in him.

Assuming they do sign Grant, they will likely keep the very cheap Muscala/Hauser/Kornet part of the bench and they won't be looking to spend a lot on the other guys they bring in to fill it out.
 

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One of the 11 full roster spots is Pritchard and another is Gallinari, both of whom iare reasonably likely to be gone. Assuming Grant signs, those two leave, and Muscala's option is picked up, that is 11. Under those circumstances I could see them wanting to retain JD if they like what they have seen in him.

Assuming they do sign Grant, they will likely keep the very cheap Muscala/Hauser/Kornet part of the bench and they won't be looking to spend a lot on the other guys they bring in to fill it out.
I really doubt either Pritchard or Gallo is shipped out without a player coming back. (I doubt Gallo goes out at all). You don't want to go into the offseason with that little flexibility.
 

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I really doubt either Pritchard or Gallo is shipped out without a player coming back. (I doubt Gallo goes out at all). You don't want to go into the offseason with that little flexibility.
If the team likes JD, sending out Pritchard for whatever draft capital he can return and promoting JD into the 4th/5th guard role makes a fair bit of sense. Pritchard could go out in a bigger deal where he is packaged with Gallo (or Grant in a sign and trade) or whatever, but it’s not unreasonable to think he’d get traded for picks (I’m guessing 2 seconds is about his value) given the overall dynamics and limited roster needs.
 

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