Celebrating What Wasn’t - worst BB era memories

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Breaking out from the other thread because theres only so many Fields, Harrison and BB sucks/no he doesn’t discussions to be had in the next 3 months

Red Sox fans, depending on their age, have a litany of haunting memories -Dent, Buckner, Grady, Boone, maybe if you’re very young Betts being traded. Pats fans were undeniably spoiled for 20 years with a treasure trove of amazing memories thanks to BB/Brady. But whenever I go through my annual six Three Games to Glory DVD rewatch I can’t help to think about all the things that had to go right to win those 6 Lombardis and the flip side - all the little moments that went wrong to cost the team more titles

Helmet catch seems like the obvious and undisputed #1 - everything about that play still pisses me off. Scrub player making ridiculous play, O’Hara’s blatant hold not being called, Manning not being deemed in the grasp. But there were a lot of other awful moments in that game

Neal getting hurt early on, Meriweather missing an INT, LeKevin Smith just missing an inbounds fumble recovery, BB going for it on 4th and a mile, Samuel’s missed INT. Brady jussssst missing Moss in what would have been the most epic of game winning plays arguably in sports history

SB46 brought us the Manningham catch and Welker drop

Malcolm Butler crying during the national anthem after learning he was benched was an ominous sign.

Alge Crumpler’s drop early the 2010 divisional game against the Jets killed the Pats’ offensive momentum. I still contend that 2010 team was better than some of their Super Bowl winners. they squandered their first 2 drives, Rex Ryan made some adjustments and the Pats offense went cold for too long of a stretch to ever come back.

Gronk’s injury in the 2011 AFCCG making him essentially a shell of himself in the Super Bowl

What are the moments which bother you the most in a “what if Grady had pulled Pedro” kind of way? Other than that stupid helmet catch, of course.

Perhaps it’s the still lingering numbness to SB42 15 years later but the SB46 Welker drop is the single most bothersome moment of the BB era. I just can’t think of the guy or his great moments (which he had many) without getting angry at that play. Something about losing 2 super bowls, to the same team, in similarly painful “so close so far” ways still sticks with me.
 

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This feels awful. Why are we propping up negativity? Our society as a whole does this and it's the worst. Why do you enjoy this enough to think it's worth a thread?
 

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This feels awful. Why are we propping up negativity? Our society as a whole does this and it's the worst. Why do you enjoy this enough to think it's worth a thread?
Yah. If i want to wallow in negativity i will just turn on sports talk radio.
There is a reason I avoid such mind numbingly idiocy. (And sports talk radio in general)
 
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This feels awful. Why are we propping up negativity? Our society as a whole does this and it's the worst. Why do you enjoy this enough to think it's worth a thread?
I guess I don’t see it as propping up negativity. Or wallowing. Merely reminiscing on the not so great memories that make the victories seem so sweet and remind us how lucky we were.

I suppose I’m in the minority but I find the depths of emotion that something as meaningless (in the grand scheme of things) as pro sports can make fans feel and while the overwhelming majority of the BB/Brady ride was joyous, there were plenty of bad moments which made the wins feel even sweeter. I thought that discussing the moments, not just the good, that shaped our fandom for the last 20 years would have provoked substantive discussion.

genuinely surprised that the community which was the backbone of the “win it for” book wouldn’t understand the value in sharing the heartbreak and frustration in the journey to total joy or would view those types of reflections as “idiocy” or “wallowing”

Wallowing in negativity, to me, would be referencing NKeal Harry or Matt Patricia at every turn. Exploring the roller coaster ups and downs of the undisputed greatest dynasty in modern sports history is interesting to me and it’s a journey that I am forever grateful to have experienced in its entirety.

I still can’t hear Tom Petty without thinking about SB42 and the people I watched the game with, and while it’s a painful memory it’s part of what makes being a sports fan so fulfilling. I don’t sit and wallow in the memories of helmet catch, I’m happy I have something “unimportant” which has the capability of eliciting such strong emotions all these years later.

Apparently I’m in the minority, mea culpa.
 

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The kind of negativity I’m looking for is crying over being down 28-3 to the Falcons and having Seattle be only a yard away from victory and a hungry Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.
 

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Kudos to you for confessing to this. This is the first I’ve heard of someone saying this about BB.
See this could be an interesting thread. Moves you thought were dumb but turned out awesome (or vice-versa).

For instance, I hated Slater after his rookie year.

Also thought James White was useless.
 

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See this could be an interesting thread. Moves you thought were dumb but turned out awesome (or vice-versa).

For instance, I hated Slater after his rookie year.

Also thought James White was useless.
They didn't draft Tom Brady too high after all.
 

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See this could be an interesting thread. Moves you thought were dumb but turned out awesome (or vice-versa).

For instance, I hated Slater after his rookie year.

Also thought James White was useless.
I thought McCourty was cooked in 2012 and was headed towards being a wasted 1st round pick.
 

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I remember that ESPN once had the Pats in the last position for Power Rankings. Then some stuff happened and they won six Super Bowls.
 

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I do recall when the Patriots lost, as in got mauled, 30-10 in Miami in the 4th week of the 2001 season to go 1-3. Discussing the game with coworkers, we were mocking unknown QB Tom Brady for throwing for all of 86 yards in the loss, with another lost season on the way.
 

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In the opposite direction, couldn't have been more wrong about the 2006 draft. I was psyched when they got Maroney and Jackson.
 

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That they did win their Superbowls by very much (Avg of 4.8 points).

XXXVI - Rams - 3 Points (Massive underdogs, any win is good)
XXXVIII - Panthers - 3 Points (Should have run away and hid with this game, two missed field goals, and the worst pick I have ever seen Brady throw.
XXXIX - Eagles - 3 Points (Maybe the most in control of a game I have seen where a team only wins by 3 points)
XLIX - Seattle - 4 Points (Got lucky Bennett (I believe) got hurt at the start of the 4th or probably don't win. Another bad endzone pick by Brady)
LI - Falcons - 6 Points (Most in control of a game I have ever seen by a team that is down 28-3, no real need to change the game plan just execute better)
LIII - LA Rams - 10 Points (The offense just could not finish drives, great till say the Rams 35)

So really just the Panthers and Eagles games should have been won by more, but still, they never blew anyone out. Such a disappointment 2 out of 5 stars.
 

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It seemed like the entire starting secondary got injured in the Panthers game. That had a huge part in the Panthers making it a game.
 

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I went to this game.

The Patriots were clearly going to take a step back after the first Super Bowl and all their weaknesses were on display that day. They couldn’t get anything done in the run game, and conversely couldn’t do anything to slow down Tomlinson for the Chargers. My roommates were Niners fans and couldn’t wait to throw dirt on the flukey Patriots and there were plenty of people joining them. What would come in the ensuing years was both improbable and incredible.
 

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I remember when they hired Belichick I thought it was a terrible decision. What a dummy I was.
After he went 5-11 that first season, I distinctly remember talking to some friends and saying something to the effect of "at least Carroll went .500. I wonder if he would come back?" Add to that he was a re-tread Browns coach back when the Browns were known consistently for losing bad and I was baffled why the Pats felt the need to pry him away from the Jets. Worked out well obviously, but I would *love* to know what about BB impressed the Krafts so much.
 

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Yeah not the entire secondary. But man they kept getting burned for quick scores with a bunch of players out there that I had hardly heard of. Crazy game.
 

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Going for it on 4th and long instead of kicking the field goal earlier in the first Giants SB.

Talib injuries early on in both the 2012 and 2013 AFCCGs.

The whole second half of the 2012 AFCCG against the Ravens.

The 2010 loss to the Browns when they lost like 34-14 to Colt McCoy and Peyton Hillis and went 14-2 overall.

Reche Caldwell. 'Nuff said.
 

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I went to this game.

The Patriots were clearly going to take a step back after the first Super Bowl and all their weaknesses were on display that day. They couldn’t get anything done in the run game, and conversely couldn’t do anything to slow down Tomlinson for the Chargers. My roommates were Niners fans and couldn’t wait to throw dirt on the flukey Patriots and there were plenty of people joining them. What would come in the ensuing years was both improbable and incredible.
I was at this game. Brady fumbled in the 2nd quarter, NE players thought the play was dead and just stood around while Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila on GB pounced on the ball. Watching that play, I figured that NE just didn't have it that year.
 

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Looking back on the greatest era of excellence and success in the history of New England pro sports and trying to find the worst and most painful things about it is the most Boston-fan thing ever.
 

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For me, the worst BB day was Jan 11, 2024 when he became the former coach.
This. Between that and them not being able to re-sign Brady are the two worst things that happened... because it's over and i'm not what can be considered young anymore and I'll never see dominance like that again in New England.

Edit: 'Celebrating' also seems like the wrong word for this topic... 'Bemoaning'?
 

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The kind of negativity I’m looking for is crying over being down 28-3 to the Falcons and having Seattle be only a yard away from victory and a hungry Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.
Tebucky Jones scoop and score being called back after a McGinest holding penalty on Faulk. Rams scored two plays later. It was all of a sudden 17-10 instead of 23-3.

That was back when we were conditioned to expect bad things to happen. When that sequence happened and the Rams eventually tied the game, I thought the McGinest penalty would live in Boston sports infamy.
 

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Kudos to you for confessing to this. This is the first I’ve heard of someone saying this about BB.
I remember emailing a friend something like "I can't believe they hired a re-tread, things are going to get worse before they get better." I don't think the BB hire was universally panned or anything but I also don't remember too many people being all that excited about it. In hindsight his tenure with the Browns was sabotaged by Art Modell but I don't remember thinking that at the time. He was the guy who failed in Cleveland, was still very much in the Tuna's shadow and to me seemed like the classic great coordinator, lousy head coach. And then they went 5-11 and started 0-2, honestly things did not look all that great until Mo Lewis almost killed Drew.
 

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Going for it on 4th and long instead of kicking the field goal earlier in the first Giants SB.
To me, the specifics of that game weren't that important- it was the fact they had possessions 4, 5 or even 6 times in that game with a chance to make it a two-score game and never did.

In the second loss to the Jints, the big play was the safety at the beginning; not that two points weren't difficult to overcome, but they had to kick the ball to the NJG and they did a great job killing the clock right from the get-go.
 

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31. New England Patriots (0-2). This is sad. Drew Bledsoe took a big hit and is out indefinitely. Honestly, I don’t know what weapons they have with which to win a game

Found it...
That was it. I remember it vividly then saw the steady climb up to the Super Bowl.
 

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I remember when they hired Belichick I thought it was a terrible decision. What a dummy I was.
I remember when the whole Pats and Jets thing went down over BB, I was just glad that they took him from Parcells, and of course that the mediocrity that was the Pats under Pete Carroll was over. Strangely, I cannot recall being pissed off over the draft compensation given up for BB, it was considerable.
 

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That was it. I remember it vividly then saw the steady climb up to the Super Bowl.
It’s hard to remember the context, but I really can’t fault them.
Bledsoe has just signed the huge contract not too long ago (I feel like but could be remembering wrong). They hadn’t looked too good in those first two games. Now he was out forever possibly, and the guy replacing him was 4th on the QB depth chart the previous year. (We will ignore how crazy it was for the pats to have 4 qbs)
 

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That they did win their Superbowls by very much (Avg of 4.8 points).

XXXVI - Rams - 3 Points (Massive underdogs, any win is good)
XXXVIII - Panthers - 3 Points (Should have run away and hid with this game, two missed field goals, and the worst pick I have ever seen Brady throw.
XXXIX - Eagles - 3 Points (Maybe the most in control of a game I have seen where a team only wins by 3 points)
XLIX - Seattle - 4 Points (Got lucky Bennett (I believe) got hurt at the start of the 4th or probably don't win. Another bad endzone pick by Brady)
LI - Falcons - 6 Points (Most in control of a game I have ever seen by a team that is down 28-3, no real need to change the game plan just execute better)
LIII - LA Rams - 10 Points (The offense just could not finish drives, great till say the Rams 35)

So really just the Panthers and Eagles games should have been won by more, but still, they never blew anyone out. Such a disappointment 2 out of 5 stars.
The Patriots gave the Eagles a ton of chances that first half and the Eagles did very little with them.