Copa ‘24: Should Have Been a Yellow

Ale Xander

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Players pulled off pitch as well as gates being closed. Game delayed 30 minutes. You would think after charlotte they’d have more resources in place.

Definitely not a good showing overall with the WC on the horizon
Oh mf
I needed this over by 10
 

SoxFanInCali

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California. Duh.
When the get-in price of the game is in 4 figures, you have to expect people are going to try to force their way in. Have to be ready for it.
 

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No chance it's postponed. They'll pretend they cleared out the people who entered without a ticket, when in reality they got a small percentage of them.

This was a predictable and preventable problem, but the solution was too rich for CONMEBOL.
 

swiftaw

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Seems like two options are a) postpone till tomorrow, or b) empty the stadium and play tonight with no crowd.
 

Jimy Hendrix

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What in the fuck? This country is hosting the WC in 2 years?

I hope everyone is safe there
This tournament has hurt the perception for that about as much as it's helped it in the end, if not more so.

It's gonna be relatively low-key and leaked rather than put out there in statements because the USSF and CONCACAF need the collaboration with CONMEBOL to continue as UEFA gets more and more insular, but I imagine there are gonna be some anonymous source stories throwing CONMEBOL furiously under the bus for this one, and probably some from them doing it in the US direction as well.
 

DJnVa

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What in the fuck? This country is hosting the WC in 2 years?
You know the US federation isn't in charge though, right? The people in charge of ticketing and security for this aren't the ones that will be doing it in 2 years.

The US has hosted big events before.
 

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I've worked on the venue side of special sporting events and concerts, and this is all squarely on CONMEBOL. They rent the venues and demand full control over everything, from the grass to the gates. (US Soccer is the same way.)

If they try and hang this on the venue, I'm sure there's a VP of Stadium Ops somewhere just itching to leak the email from CONMEBOL about not wanting to pay more for extra barricades, staff, and crowd-control procedures, etc.
 

Ale Xander

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You know the US federation isn't in charge though, right? The people in charge of ticketing and security for this aren't the ones that will be doing it in 2 years.

The US has hosted big events before.
Gillette will be fine. It will be case by case depending on venue and participants in said venue.
 

Jed Zeppelin

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Let’s not act like the U.S. is special in having an issue with a big game. CL Final was a similar shitshow a couple years ago.

Obviously better to not have something like this happen, of course.
 

Ale Xander

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I've worked on the venue side of special sporting events and concerts, and this is all squarely on CONMEBOL. They rent the venues and demand full control over everything, from the grass to the gates. (US Soccer is the same way.)

If they try and hang this on the venue, I'm sure there's a VP of Stadium Ops somewhere just itching to leak the email from CONMEBOL about not wanting to pay more for extra barricades, staff, and crowd-control procedures, etc.
Yup. I’ve been at that VIp Suites entrance before. (Close to good tailgating)
It never has a lot of security. But Fins games and orange bowls (southern folk-most are great) are different
The fanatcism for Conmebol fans is totally different
 

Tony C

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what a clusterfuck....

so is the bottom line something like:
1: some gate crashers
2: security stupidly responds by shutting all gates except one
3: huge pile up of fans, with kids being crushed (I even saw a little dog running around in one of the short videos on Twitter)
 

67YAZ

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Best thing about tonight is that a Liverpool player is lifting a trophy.

Also, reminder that Colombia lead the Copa in fouls committed. They could come out very physical.
 

DJnVa

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No checking tix so no checking for weapons, etc?

Fun.

Cancel it, tell CONMEBOL they can host it in South America later in the week.
 

Ale Xander

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No checking tix so no checking for weapons, etc?

Fun.

Cancel it, tell CONMEBOL they can host it in South America later in the week.
Unless im
Getting senile, For football games there is security way before ticket checking. For tailgating. Large perimeter
Not sure how this is.
 

8slim

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It can’t be possible that Hard Rock stadium management just signs off on completely turning over all logistics to another group, can it? That makes zero sense.
 

Ale Xander

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It can’t be possible that Hard Rock stadium management just signs off on completely turning over all logistics to another group, can it? That makes zero sense.
I think Copa requires it

soccer is weird
 

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It can’t be possible that Hard Rock stadium management just signs off on completely turning over all logistics to another group, can it? That makes zero sense.
Based on personal experience, the venue has a baseline deployment for staff, security, gates, etc. That's what is included in the rental agreement.

Then they'll rely on the promoter and organizer's experience to scale accordingly for the size and makeup of the crowd, but all of the added costs come out of the organizer's end.
 

8slim

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Based on personal experience, the venue has a baseline deployment for staff, security, gates, etc. That's what is included in the rental agreement.

Then they'll rely on the promoter and organizer's experience to scale accordingly for the size and makeup of the crowd, but all of the added costs come out of the organizer's end.
Interesting. So in this case, the Dolphins pay for “extra” on their game days, Live Nation pays “extra” for concerts they promote their, etc?

seems like the base deployment shouldn’t be in danger of being insufficient if the renter cheaps out.
 

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Interesting. So in this case, the Dolphins pay for “extra” on their game days, Live Nation pays “extra” for concerts they promote their, etc?
Probably not the Dolphins, since they own it, but concerts and other special events, yes.

And as mentioned upthread, soccer in particular is very different when it comes to levels of control. US Soccer went so far as to have our ticket windows use a specific VISA-branded mousepad when they played a friendly at our venue.