Denver Nuggets (2) vs Minnesota Timberwolves (3) - 2024 WC Second Round

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It's not really an offense but more like a cheat code. When everything is working, the league really hasn't figured out how to defend the Jokic/Murray PnR and that's going back years. But as you say, everyone has to be healthy and Murray isn't - when he's shooting 9-28, the PnR becomes a lot less productive.

Hopefully Murray can get healthy because the one thing I really want is a long, drawn-out, super physical series.
This is why Brad keeps stockpiling premium offensive options. You can lose 1-2 at any given time and still be elite.

Most teams are fragile to a star getting hurt or being limited, but Denver is uniquely dependent on Murray being perfectly healthy, which has historically been a bad bet. Good for them that they got that title, but it's a knife's edge.
 

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He’s been taking for a minute and I am already exhausted by Mark Jones
 

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“[Edwards] is the best two-way player in the league right now.”

really?
Who do you put ahead of him? I have Giannis but maybe that's it at this very moment. I'd still take Tatum assuming Tatum plays better than he did last night - I don't want to make this a Tatum thing however.

FWIW, I don't think he said maybe or at least he seemed to be implying that he probably is.
 

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He’s been taking for a minute and I am already exhausted by Mark Jones
I feel like Mark Jones is fine, but we really have a lot of great play-by-play voices (i.e. Eagle, Breen, Harlan) doing NBA now and he’s not in their class. He’s probably too good to do local Kings games, but not quite great enough to do round two.
 

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Who do you put ahead of him? I have Giannis but maybe that's it at this very moment. I'd still take Tatum assuming Tatum plays better than he did last night - I don't want to make this a Tatum thing however.

FWIW, I don't think he said maybe or at least he seemed to be implying that he probably is.
Assuming health (significant assumption, admittedly):

Giannis
Embiid
Davis
Kawhi
Tatum
 

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I hate Mark Jones as much as the next person but he said “maybe”
 

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I love love love Joker, but his defense is functional, at times disruptive (steals and deflections thanks to anticipation and court vision), but not at the same “two-way player” level, IMO.
I guess I never really get the criteria for "two-way player." If you play both offense and defense (as all NBA players do) and your **overall** impact is consistently the best in the league, that makes you the best two-way player, in my book.
 

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I guess I never really get the criteria for "two-way player." If you play both offense and defense (as all NBA players do) and your **overall** impact is consistently the best in the league, that makes you the best two-way player, in my book.
Fair enough. I’m never gonna argue against Joker’s overall greatness. Was just thinking in terms of a baseline for both ends of the court. Like, one would not say Luka is a great two-way player despite being a pick and roll savant — so there’s a floor somewhere.
 

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How long before we get “heart of a champion” platitudes, along with a “come at the king you best not miss” side dish?

(don’t get me wrong, I do think Denver’s experience will help)
 

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Love that half from Denver. Up 15 even though Joker is 3-8 (though with 6 assists and 9 boards). Feels like they still have another gear.

Ant, shockingly, isn’t the second coming — at least in that half.
 

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The media and fans after the game last night said the Cs would get rolled by teams that are mentally tougher than them. The two cited the most were the Thunder and Wolves. Both about to lose at home since those comments.
 

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Still gotta go with Kobe there, but Ant is easily the best of this generation of players.
I think Kobe was actively trying to be a Jordan impersonator. Edwards is the first guy that reminds me of him. Doesn’t mean he will win like Mike.
 

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I think Kobe was actively trying to be a Jordan impersonator. Edwards is the first guy that reminds me of him. Doesn’t mean he will win like Mike.
He's more like 05-07 Wade as a player to me, but with Jordan's charisma. Kobe played like 2nd 3peat Jordan, not young Jordan.
 

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What generation?
Let's say since Kobe. 2-way hyper athletic shooting guard with an alpha attitude, Ant does a better impression than just about anyone in the last decade.

I think Kobe was actively trying to be a Jordan impersonator. Edwards is the first guy that reminds me of him. Doesn’t mean he will win like Mike.
This is fair, but it was a pretty strong impression (helped by the fact that their physical attributes were pretty damn similar). And agreed on the last, lots of things had to go right for Jordan to win as much as he did. Probably ain't happening again.