End of an Era: Bill Belichick and Patriots to part ways

Oct 12, 2023
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This forum seems to think the Krafts are the Sullivans now I guess. There will be talented people running the football organization. That doesn't mean there's a Super Bowl coming soon but let's give the doom & gloom crap a rest.
Bobby Grier wasn’t exactly a guy I’d classify as “talented” in the same sense as Belichick.

I wouldn’t go as far as to draw comparisons to the Sullivans obviously but the Grier/Carroll combo (despite Carroll succeeding more than a decade later in Seattle) was not a good fit.

Kraft got it right (understatement of the century) hiring Belichick but there simply isn’t enough data to suggest that the Krafts have some innate ability to identify competent GM’s/the right coach.

The narrative about Kraft being a great owner, smart football guy, highly competent organization all came from Bill winning a Super Bowl in 2001 and evolved from there.

As most long time fans would attest to, the pre-BB days had Kraft labeled as a meddlesome (remember when he forced Parcells to cut Christian Peter after he was drafted?) and mediocre at best owner whose only saving grace was that he kept the team in Foxboro when Orthwein wanted to mlve them.

To be clear - I like Kraft, I am forever grateful for the last 20 years of success but I’m not certain he has a track record which suggests he knows what he’s doing in the post-BB era
 

astrozombie

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I didn't want him to go just yet, but I'm not surprised those who disagreed feel this way. It's like having your heart cut out of your chest with hacksaw blade regardless. It has unexpectedly brought my own mortality into focus in a way that makes it more real than it was before, if that makes any sense. I'm a legit fucking mess right now

To everything, turn, turn, turn....
To me this is like a breakup. Several great times but lately things just haven't been working out and it doesn't look like they would improve on their own. It doesn't invalidate what happened before, just that it isn't right going forward. It sucks and it's painful and not how any of us wanted it to end, but a lot of the things BB had to work with (#3 pick, cap space, gonzo and judon coming back, etc) are still in play.
Honestly I'm more in disbelief that it actually happened than I am upset that it did, if that makes sense.
 

wilked

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Voice seemed to crack once he moved into talking about the fans. Noticeable
 

Ale Xander

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That's not worse. That's more of the same. They have 0 playoff wins in 5 seasons.

They were 4-13 this year. It is not guaranteed to get better of course but it can't get much worse. It can only stay bad, at worst.
 

johnmd20

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I have no problem with any of that, but you still won't tell us why 2024 and beyond might not be worse.
In 2023, the Patriots had, BY FAR, the worst point differential in the AFC. They had the fewest wins in the AFC and the least amount of points in the entire league.

How can it get worse? Can it stay bad? Yes. Can it get worse than last in wins, points, and differential? No, it’s actually impossible.
 

Harry Hooper

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Not that it would have been welcomed, but no one tried to ask a question?
 

wilked

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In 2023, the Patriots had, BY FAR, the worst point differential in the AFC. They had the fewest wins in the AFC and the least amount of points in the entire league.

How can it get worse? Can it stay bad? Yes. Can it get worse than last in wins, points, and differential? No, it’s actually impossible.
It can get worse if we keep looping around on semantics of whether it can get worse...