Euro 2020: Semi-Charmed Life
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What is this? A potato sandwich?What do Italians know about culinary greatness, really?
England famously wore their red away kits for the 1966 World Cup Final at Wembley.
I don’t know why, but that looks really good right now.What do Italians know about culinary greatness, really?
I'm a casual soccer fan; I like to watch the World Cup and the Euro's, I love how passionate the fans get, they live and die with this, it's much more intense that professional sports in the US IMO, there are not a lot of goals scored, so each one that is becomes a fantastic viewing experience, I thoroughly enjoy it even though I have zero skin in the game.
That said; watching a 1-1 semifinal game and seeing a player dive to draw a penalty, then the shooter misses but it's a live ball and he knocks home the rebound is not doing anything to make me anything more than a casual fan.
You can say Um..no all you want.
I hope Italy beats England 42-0 on Sunday.
I see. did not know that.
That would be a travesty with England in blue (I googled their new away kits) and Italy in white
Is Gareth Southgate the best England manager since Alf Ramsey? He certainly has the best resume of anyone since Sir Alf...kinda makes you wonder about all of the money guys like Sven-Goran Eriksson and Fabio Capello trousered over the past few decades.
Part of making the save is not letting the rebound dribble back to the shooter. The goalie messed up.
The real outrage is that the penalty was called in the first place.
I’m really looking forward to the 3rd place game actually, if there is one
Is there one?
Edit: nope. Booooo
Is there one?
Edit: nope. Booooo
The penalty kick during regular time is like shooting a free throw in basketball.
The penalty kick is officially a foul in the penalty box. Do players stop playing after a direct foul kick? Because that’s what a penalty kick is. A direct foul kick.
Um, adopting the Italians because you hate diving is like adopting the French because you hate cheese.
Him knowing it's a live ball makes that especially bad, he basically teed it up for him after he gagged on the initial shot.
I honestly don't understand why anyone would choose to get bothered by the rules of what happens after a penalty kick is saved. Are you really comparing it to a hockey penalty shot, or an after-the-game-is-really-over penalty kick in a tiebreaking shootout? The rules are what they are. If you watch enough soccer, you'll see enough incidents like this one - at the end of an English Championship playoff semifinal - where a saved penalty being a live ball is a wondrous, joyous thing:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TnKvlQ2h7s
Bobby Robson is the other candidate. Southgate has a looooott of talent to work with and has rode his luck at times.
I thought England should have gotten a penalty earlier in the game, so I think it all balances out. Great win
I'm Italian-American. I don't like the diving, but apparently both teams in the finals are Italian in that regard. It would be kind of fun to see England lose at Wembley, just for the crowd shots.
This game is destined to go to PKs!
The over/under on the number of players on the pitch standing on two feet at the same time will be 18.5.
Aww, what the hell. FORZA ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
This game is destined to go to PKs!
The over/under on the number of players on the pitch standing on two feet at the same time will be 18.5.
Aww, what the hell. FORZA ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
My last name is Guerriero, so there is adopting anything, they have been my team since this thing started.
Too bad for the Danes it had to end like that. I'm not one who thinks a team deserves that fate for bunkering, which I think is a preposterous take. They were clearly just trying to drag themselves to PKs, no shame in that facing a superior opponent with 20 minutes to go.
This information would have been helpful to me about 20 minutes ago..................
.............., but your point stands.If that is how the game is played, then that's how the game is played.
You're explanation makes perfect sense, think of it like a free throw after a foul, the second one is a live ball, excellent comparison, thanks.
It's on the goalie in this case.
always amusing to remember that Schmeichel was/is the Leicester keeper here, Kane got subbed in for Leicester and Jamie Vardy didn't make it off the bench
Are there any replays of the Kane non call? That looked a pen to me but I was on a work call.
Sterling obviously dove. He probably was technically fouled earlier in the exchange but did the classic give up and fall over
Sterling obviously dove. He probably was technically fouled earlier in the exchange but did the classic give up and fall over
I think Robson is clearly the better all-around manager, but the resumes are interesting to compare - Robson reached a World Cup semifinal (out to West Germany on penalties) and a World Cup quarterfinal (out to Diego Maradona, for better and worse), but oversaw a nightmare Euro 1988 (played 3, lost 3). Southgate has now led England to a World Cup semifinal and a Euro final. I mean, of course you're only as good as your players, and international major tournament football is the king of small sample sizes, but many England managers before him had loads of talent and failed to get anything out of it. The job has to be his as long as he wants it, no?
Just a shambolic call to decide a semifinal, tough to not have something like that kill the remainder of the spectacle.
Forza Italia indeed
Forza Italia indeed
Thanks to all those in this thread who have argued about what the rules of soccer should be. Reliving the discourse of the early 2000s has made me feel young again.
Here's a further bit of trivia about something related that you've seen probably ten thousand times but never understood. Did you ever wonder what the arc on the top of the penalty area is all about? Every other marking on the field is pretty obvious but that one almost always goes unnoticed. During penalties players must be outside the arc and outside the penalty area until after the ball is struck or they can be called for encroaching specifically to not give anyone a head start on getting to a live ball if the penalty is missed.This information would have been helpful to me about 20 minutes ago..................
If that is how the game is played, then that's how the game is played.
You're explanation makes perfect sense, think of it like a free throw after a foul, the second one is a live ball, excellent comparison, thanks.
It's on the goalie in this case.
As for the penalty itself, I was watching in a big room fairly far from the television and still have not seen a view that looked like there was even contact. Everyone seems to think there was, but I couldn't see it.
One VAR rule that I would change. When the VAR assistant believes there is a possible penalty, the referee is brought over to the monitor to decide whether or not a penalty should be called. I think it should work the same way where a penalty is called but there is at least a reasonable possibility that there was no actual infraction. It is unbalanced to me that the ref makes the call with video assistance to call a penalty but not to review his own calls.
The ref is the one who knows what he thinks he saw. It does not make sense to defer to the ref with a clean and obvious standard if the ref, on reviewing the play, would realize that what he thought he saw did not happen. There is this presumption of correctness that not even the ref necessarily would agree with if he could see the play. I don't understand why we allow the ref to second guess himself on a non-call by going to video but we do not allow the same thing on a penalty that is -- as I believe this was -- not obvious. (I feel the same way about the NFL -- the replay should be reviewed by the ref who made the call who may very well see it and decide "yeah, that's not what I thought happened.")
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It comes up every now and then on Twitter but I never understand Americans ragging on chip butties. It’s so great.
The England team of 2018 was not a particularly talented side, they did well to make the semi-finals, although they had an easy road.
The 2021 team is much more talented. The differences are the depth at the attacking positions is greater, Kane/Rashford/Sterling are all still in their prime, but now you have Foden, Sancho, Grealish and Saka, all guys who were not part of the 2018 squad. Declan Rice matured into a rock at CDM, and Kalvin Phillips has been arguably their best player. On defense, Stones and Shaw have both rebounded from dark parts of their careers and been very good in the tournament, and the depth at FB is outstanding.