FBS National Championship Thread - tOSU v. Oregon
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Just bouncing around social media and seeing a ton of hate for the SEC from fans who are excited that their teams did so poorly. Conference pride/hate is weird to me, I guess if a team from your team's conference does well, it validates your own teams value a little bit, but realistically, who cares? I'm an LSU fan, but I don't care that an SEC team lost (I'm upset that a douche like Meyer won sure, but not because Bama lost). I don't know, but it does seem like every college football fanbase is terrible.
The SEC dominates polls and attention mainly because they are good. But one of the other reasons they always make championship poll position is because they all get credit for playing each other. They all start ranked high and other schools and conferences can't catch up.
Its a subjectivity issue. Having said that, go Oregon. Nike money or not its still someone new.
Its a subjectivity issue. Having said that, go Oregon. Nike money or not its still someone new.
I like rooting for B1G teams during bowl season. The conference schedule is such a long hard, grind and you get to know those teams. It's fun to root for the teams you do battle with all year (once a year).
Thankfully, you are not one of those many individuals dripping with arrogant superiority WRT the other conferences. I don't know how you miss, though, the media choir that reinforces this. That's what has people upset and in terrible revenge mode. When the preening stops, someone will post a picture of a dead horse, everyone will be square, and the celebration of the last few days will cease.Kliq said:
Of all the myths to crater, my favorite was how nobody can run the ball against an SEC defense. There has been plenty of that the last few days, a trick pulled off by Notre Dame -- ND! -- no less.
I believe that under the BCS system they would have found a way to have Florida State play Alabama for the National Championship, so an Oregon-Ohio State final, to me, is fun. I'm a Michigan fan rooting for Ohio State, but mostly I'm just glad that I finally got to watch semifinal games on New Year's; it was terrific.
Oregon looked incredible, but FSU was probably the weakest of all those teams.
Ohio State looked shaky all game. They kept converting 3rd and 10, threw a bunch of deep bombs, had some crazy QB runs, turned the ball over, etc. I thought they were finished when they went down early and were playing their third string QB.
All of which means, I have no idea what to expect. But Oregon looked crazy good.
Ohio State looked shaky all game. They kept converting 3rd and 10, threw a bunch of deep bombs, had some crazy QB runs, turned the ball over, etc. I thought they were finished when they went down early and were playing their third string QB.
All of which means, I have no idea what to expect. But Oregon looked crazy good.
Oregon did look great, but it was 18-13 at halftime. FSU had some bad turnovers for which Oregon took advantage and then FSU flat out gave up.
I think Oregon looked good as front runners, but were only just OK when the game was close.
Also, it was pretty much a home game for Oregon.
This game will be closer than people think.
I think Oregon looked good as front runners, but were only just OK when the game was close.
Also, it was pretty much a home game for Oregon.
This game will be closer than people think.
I think Jones' running took Bama by surprise. He's really mobile for a big guy. Oregon has a lot more tape on him than Bama did, so I think they'll be more prepared.
I'm interested in how the crowd will be. It's a big venue, and a lot of fans traveled for yesterday's games. Some fans traveled for the conference title games too (although that was just a drive for most OSU fans.) Plus it's on a Monday. Will the locals fill out the stands?
I'm interested in how the crowd will be. It's a big venue, and a lot of fans traveled for yesterday's games. Some fans traveled for the conference title games too (although that was just a drive for most OSU fans.) Plus it's on a Monday. Will the locals fill out the stands?
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snowmanny said:
No you're not. One of those can be true, but not both. Did you root for the Yankees in 2009, too?
College football is different. You're a fan of your team first and your conference second. The success of your team is directly correlated to the success of your conference, which is not the case in any other sport. The entire college football season is intra-conference games. As we saw with the Big Ten this year, if your conference is perceived to be weak, then no matter how much you win you won't move up the rankings. We're seeing that the Big Ten is a lot stronger than people gave them credit for, but that perception is tough to overcome. Rooting for OSU, even if you're a Michigan fan, helps eliminate that perception and will help Michigan in the long run.MentalDisabldLst said:
I'm an OSU alum and if I had the choice between rooting for Michigan against any other conference in a bowl game, I root for Michigan begrudgingly. What's good for Michigan is good for the Big Ten and in turn is good for Ohio State. It's a weird dynamic, but it's how things are done.
Rooting for the Yankees does nothing for the Red Sox. The comparison doesn't fit.
No. Oregon uses a 3 semester schedule. They're back in 3 daysBigSoxFan said:
http://registrar.uoregon.edu/calendars/academic/condensed_five_years#term-based-dates
OSU is more doable if stduents skip their first day of school. Game is the evening of the first day.
http://registrar.osu.edu/staff/bigcal.asp
I wasn't impressed by Alabama's defense at all, I trust Oregon's speed counters Alabama's size and shuts down the running game. Bama played a if they'd never imagine OSU running.
I'm a huge Oregn fan for the next week and a half.
I'm a huge Oregn fan for the next week and a half.
I'm sure there will be loads of corporate tickets packages sold. It'll probably be neutral-ier than the bowl games.
Don't think it matters that much either, just countering what you said about break.BigSoxFan said:
Re: rooting for team/conference, I generally root for the conference (I'm a Michigan fan, so I was happy that OSU and MSU won yesterday). Howeva, I will certainly NOT be rooting for OSU to win a NC over Oregon, because the conference already looks good with its bowl performances, and I'm a petty and small man and I don't want my biggest rival to increase their trophy count. I'd probably root against MSU in a NC game too for the same reason, but if it was any other B1G school, I'd probably root for them. Other factors go into it as well, such as Meyer and Dantonio being huge turds, or disliking FSU for 'the chop' and Jameis' generally ass-hattery, or on the other side liking a specific player/coach/system/program (Reggie Bush, Gary Patterson, Boise State come to mind personally for instance) but nevertheless, that's generally my position on rooting for conference and rivals in the postseason.
Good point, that one escaped me. It's just interesting to me that this hasn't happened more often. Most college teams run some variant of the spread, but the traditional pro-style offense has still, for the most part, dominated.PaulinMyrBch said:
I'm really looking forward to this game. I hate Ohio State, but I'd be one of the first to admit that Urban Meyer had done a lot of the things that I hope Harbaugh does at Michigan. Meyer's put together a great defensive line, brought a ton of talent to the skill positions, and has assembled a dynamite coaching staff. When he took over at Ohio State, he had a blueprint for how he wanted to compete with the SEC. He's followed that blue print pretty well.
Kliq said:
When there is much talk from fans and "experts" in the media saying that the SEC West might be the best conference in all of sport, there is a natural backlash when that conference goes 2-5 in bowl games and is 0-3 on New Years day. Big Ten fans responding in force today tired of hearing about their "joke of a conference" is certainly adding to the Twitter noise as well.
dcmissle said:
Rushing yards and points given up in bowl games by the top five teams in the SEC W (the greatest division in CFB history according to Dan Mullen):
Alabama - 282 - 42
Ole Miss - 177 - 42 (could have been 100 if Patterson had not called off the dogs in the 3rd quarter)
Miss St - 452 - 49
LSU - 263 - 31
Auburn - 400 - 34
They used to be dominant, but boring, with their defense first teams in the SEC West. Now, they all play the spread and can't defend the run. Essentially, Johnny Football ruined the SEC.
FL4WL3SS said:
This is not an anomaly though, the whole point of Oregon's insanely fast tempo is break the defense's spirit in the second half when they are tired and confused. The other great example of this effect from earlier this season is how Michigan State played the Ducks extremely tough for 2.5 quarters and then fell apart in the second half.
SEC had been actually too good for their own good. LSU has had over 20 early draft entries over the past 3 seasons. Bama and SC are also in double digits. You can't reload every year if you are losing 4+ players to declaring early for the draft. In a way, LSU doing poorly this year will help them next year since they won't lose as many guys to the draft.
The NFL going to a rookie scale has impacted SEC more than any league, since getting the crazy first round money in the old system isn't the be all end all anymore (thank you JaMarcus Russel). There's less of a difference between 1st round and 3rd round money. Early entries have gone up every season since the change.
The NFL going to a rookie scale has impacted SEC more than any league, since getting the crazy first round money in the old system isn't the be all end all anymore (thank you JaMarcus Russel). There's less of a difference between 1st round and 3rd round money. Early entries have gone up every season since the change.
FSU was a great matchup for Oregon because the Ducks feast on defenses that don't stay disciplined and the Seminoles have been sloppy all season. I don't think tOSU will make it so easy for them.
I tOregon probably deserves to be favored but if I was betting this game, I'd take Ohio State and a touchdown without thinking twice. They showed me a lot last night - great DL play, multiple playmakers on offense, and really good coaching that played to their strengths while covering up some substantial weaknesses.
I tOregon probably deserves to be favored but if I was betting this game, I'd take Ohio State and a touchdown without thinking twice. They showed me a lot last night - great DL play, multiple playmakers on offense, and really good coaching that played to their strengths while covering up some substantial weaknesses.
SEC defensive dominance is gone, and they know it. That's why Saban tried to get the rules changed re up tempo and played the bogus player safety card. And because Saban is a smart guy, he realized that battle was futile, brought Kiffin in and went all in on the dark side himself. Not soon enough for a seamless transition, however.
The other thing trending against them is the newly invigorated Ohio/Michigan border war. It's bad enough that Urban is a recruiting machine -- he can recruit with anyone. Now Harbaugh has joined the fray, and you don't think guys with NFL stars in their eyes won't want to play for him? Meyer/Harbaugh will be a death match, and both will up their games.
The other thing trending against them is the newly invigorated Ohio/Michigan border war. It's bad enough that Urban is a recruiting machine -- he can recruit with anyone. Now Harbaugh has joined the fray, and you don't think guys with NFL stars in their eyes won't want to play for him? Meyer/Harbaugh will be a death match, and both will up their games.
uh oh...
Aaron J. Fentress @AaronJFentress 4m4 minutes ago
Sources: Oregon WR Darren Carrington failed drug test, not on trip to Dallas, suspended for national title game http://ow.ly/H5qcb
Aaron J. Fentress @AaronJFentress 4m4 minutes ago
Sources: Oregon WR Darren Carrington failed drug test, not on trip to Dallas, suspended for national title game http://ow.ly/H5qcb
Peter King 
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RT @FearThaSpeer: Who you got tonight a Oregon or Ohio State? … Bucks. But believe me, I know nothing.
@SI_PeterKingRT @FearThaSpeer: Who you got tonight a Oregon or Ohio State? … Bucks. But believe me, I know nothing.
E5 Yaz said:
Peter King
RT @FearThaSpeer: Who you got tonight a Oregon or Ohio State? … Bucks. But believe me, I know nothing.
One of the more insightful comments he's made in the past half a decade.
Really want Oregon to win tonight. Mark Helfrich is a former colleague. Can't stand Meyer. Hope Mariota runs all over OSU.
Plus I'm pretty sure if they roll it #78 for Oregon had the ball down under control and then it was ripped out.