Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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I'll admit it, even I began to roll my eyes a little bit when Felger got going on Moss vs. Deion Branch last hour.

But luckily, that didn't last long and it has been an enjoyable show. Mazz has been a little on the hyperbolic side of things, but Felger has called him out on it. I believe Mazz said something like "there is anarachy here," and Felger immediately shot him down.
 

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I love Felger, but he has been biased against Moss ever since Moss didn't end up on his beloved Packers.

I have been agreeing with almost everything else he has harped on today, though.
 

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QUOTE (Sille Skrub @ Dec 7 2009, 04:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2718919
I love Felger, but he has been biased against Moss ever since Moss didn't end up on his beloved Packers.

I have been agreeing with almost everything else he has harped on today, though.



I agree, but the show has been great today, for the most part
 

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QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Dec 7 2009, 04:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2718955
I feel special. Felger read my Instant Feedback and he gave me a gold star.


Haha, I was listening and thought that was an excellent message. Good to know it came from here!

And Sparky, it doesn't surprise me at all that Felger is a nice guy. I think the d-bag thing is really overplayed. In fact, when listening to him, I think he often sounds like one of the more genuine guys in the Boston sports media. But then again, I am rather neurotic myself so maybe I "get" Felger more. For example, I thought him complaining a few minutes ago that Tony spit in his face was hilarious.
 

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Great stuff today. Felger and Mazz blasting the Pats for losing their soul and identity.
 

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Tim Donaghy on the show tomorrow. Felger said they have questions for Donaghy that no one else does.

Should be a great listen, as Felger actually questions guests "to their faces" and isn't afraid of coming off as petulant. Unlike Ordway, who would rather "play nice" to keep a relationship, and then blast you once you hang up.
 

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Seriously, the value of this show really demonstrates itself tomorrow. You know Felger will be prepared as hell and go after Donaghy.

Ordway might go after him, but he wouldn't be prepared and he wouldn't follow up anything.
 

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Caller: I'd like to talk about the Lowell trade
Felger: How old are you?
Caller: 12
Felger: 13 is my limit.

/hangs up on caller

Hilarious.
 

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QUOTE (mt8thsw9th @ Dec 10 2009, 09:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2723637
Why'd he hang up on him, then?


To be a dick? I believe he also said "I'm not listening to a 12 year old"

I guess it's one of those "had to be there" moments. Mazz basically lost it, and was doubled over in laughter.
 

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QUOTE (weeba @ Dec 11 2009, 07:37 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2723992
To be a dick? I believe he also said "I'm not listening to a 12 year old"

I guess it's one of those "had to be there" moments. Mazz basically lost it, and was doubled over in laughter.


Honestly though, you can't really blame him. Maybe he could have been less abrupt (I didn't hear it), but I don't blame for hanging up on the 12 year-old. I'd say virtually every other sports talk radio host would do the same thing. (Although I will say that I was listening to DA once, and he had a kid call him and kept the kid on for about a minute or so. Which I thought was very nice).

Anyway, I was kind of disappointed in the Donaghy interview. Not that the questions weren't good, but Donaghy seemed to have been trained to give very cliche answers and didn't leave much room for conversation.
 

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I think what mt8thsw9th was getting at was:

Felger should have said "13 is the minimum" rather than the limit, as limit implies maximum (see: speed limit). Or, I could really be over thinking things this morning.
 

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QUOTE (Over Guapo Grande @ Dec 11 2009, 09:01 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2724038
I think what mt8thsw9th was getting at was:

Felger should have said "13 is the minimum" rather than the limit, as limit implies maximum (see: speed limit). Or, I could really be over thinking things this morning.


And it was too early for me to realize that as well this morning.

Although, there are such things as lower limits
 

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One of Felger's "talents" is that he gets a good sense of his callers and where they're going. He knows when to cut them off. Not because they disagree with him but if they've made their point, are slow or don't have a clue. Keeps the show moving and allows more callers to get on.
 

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QUOTE (Over Guapo Grande @ Dec 11 2009, 09:01 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2724038
I think what mt8thsw9th was getting at was:

Felger should have said "13 is the minimum" rather than the limit, as limit implies maximum (see: speed limit). Or, I could really be over thinking things this morning.




I was listening. He did say 13 was a minimum. He could have been a little nicer, I suppose, but I don't really have a problem with him hanging up on him.

And actually, I think 13 is too young. I'd say 17 or 18?
 

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QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Dec 11 2009, 01:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2724372
I was listening. He did say 13 was a minimum. He could have been a little nicer, I suppose, but I don't really have a problem with him hanging up on him.

And actually, I think 13 is too young. I'd say 17 or 18?
Saying 13 was his cut off was just his way of being a prick to the kid. Had the kid said 13, his cut off would have been 14, etc...

I don't have a problem with it, but being a douche bag is part of his schtick and that's all he was doing.
 

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Do you really want to hear what a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old has to say about sports? Really?

Felger did us all a favor.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 11 2009, 04:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2724576
Do you really want to hear what a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old has to say about sports? Really?

Felger did us all a favor.

I agree, I'm responding to Sparky saying he should have said the age limit were 17 or 18, the only reason Felger said 13 was because he wanted to be a dick.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 11 2009, 04:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2724576
Do you really want to hear what a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old has to say about sports? Really?

Felger did us all a favor.


Agreed. I think that Felger maybe should have said that 16-18 was his limit, but yeah, being a douchebag is his shtick so it fit into that. I think the thing was totally tongue-in-cheek (but again, I wasn't listening at the time).

Anyway, as for today's show, very entertaining to hear Mazz (and now Gasper) really going after Felger for his Moss bias.

And this is what I enjoy about a show where there are 2 permanent hosts. Every human has their biases, and in this format, it allows us to know the host's better and in my opinion makes for a more entertaining program.
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Dec 11 2009, 03:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2724563
Saying 13 was his cut off was just his way of being a prick to the kid. Had the kid said 13, his cut off would have been 14, etc...

I don't have a problem with it, but being a douche bag is part of his schtick and that's all he was doing.



I don't disagree with this at all. And I thought about editing my post to say as much as you did BrewKing, I just had to go do something and now I forget what it was.

Sorry.
 

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If the show today is 4 hours of Felger gleefully dancing over Moss' grave because of how bad he was yesterday then I won't be listening. At this point "The Big Show" has been the better choice after games like yesterday now that they have put the pom poms down. F&M have been a one trick pony and haven't provided the alternative that I had hoped. I still think they have a better overall show but Felger lays it on a little too thick sometimes.

Ordway always said he wouldn't change his show until he got competition, I wonder if putting the pom poms down is a result of Felger and Mazz and trying to remain relevant.
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Dec 14 2009, 06:36 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2728031
If the show today is 4 hours of Felger gleefully dancing over Moss' grave because of how bad he was yesterday then I won't be listening. At this point "The Big Show" has been the better choice after games like yesterday now that they have put the pom poms down. F&M have been a one trick pony and haven't provided the alternative that I had hoped. I still think they have a better overall show but Felger lays it on a little too thick sometimes.

Ordway always said he wouldn't change his show until he got competition, I wonder if putting the pom poms down is a result of Felger and Mazz and trying to remain relevant.


I think they will talk about the game a bunch but he will definitely harp on Moss alot of the time.
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Dec 14 2009, 06:36 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2728031
If the show today is 4 hours of Felger gleefully dancing over Moss' grave because of how bad he was yesterday then I won't be listening. At this point "The Big Show" has been the better choice after games like yesterday now that they have put the pom poms down. F&M have been a one trick pony and haven't provided the alternative that I had hoped. I still think they have a better overall show but Felger lays it on a little too thick sometimes.

Ordway always said he wouldn't change his show until he got competition, I wonder if putting the pom poms down is a result of Felger and Mazz and trying to remain relevant.


I was thinking this exact same thing today, and though Moss certainly deserves criticism, I wasn't in the mood for 4 hours of harping on it either.

But you know, after being exposed to another way to do afternoon drive for a couple of months, I just couldn't bring myself to keep the dial to 850. I don't like the style of radio on "The Big Show."

I like how an idiotic caller on Felger and Mazz gets cut off in 30 seconds, and they move on like nothing happened. Whereas on "The Big Show," the caller is berated with questions by Pete and Glenn and the rest of the segment is themed around the moronic "previous caller." Sorry, but I want the hosts to drive the show, not the "previous caller."

And again, with Felger and Mazz able to switch between football and baseball, there was some Lackey conversation as well.

So I guess my point is, I just don't like the style of radio of "The Big Show." Really, it would take a lot to get me to switch back now. But I could very well be in the minority.
 

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I used to like the Belichick hour on 'EEI on Mondays, but with his stock answers and lack of acknowledgement of anything regarding the team's recent play ("Coach, do you feel the team came out a little flat against Carolina?" "No, not really"). I'd rather go with F&M these days, even against the "inside exclusive".
 

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The show is dreadful today. Apparently the Sox "don't like" Jason Bay, which is also why he had the horrific slump around the ASG last year. Somebody tried to explain that perhaps Cameron and Scutaro are just bridging the gap to eventual farm replacements, and both Felger and Mazz treated the caller like he was a total idiot, despite it just being a hypothetical explanation. When they're locked into their opinion and can't rationally discuss something, this show is unlistenable.
 

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This show and its 'EEI competition are more and more opposite sides of the same coin.

Deeply disappointed like Curly that the Sox have not mailed in next season, these guys are only reinforced in their negativity. Nothing can be allowed to threaten Mazz' narrative that the Sox blew themselves up for a half a decade by failing to sign Tex.

These two had a chance to stake out a sensible course based on facts and maintaining some objectivity; they are blowing it.
 

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The other thing that's been annoying is them talking about this 30/100/100 list.

Jason Bay
Ryan Howard
Mark Teixeira
Albert Pujols
Aaron Hill
Ryan Braun
Prince Fielder
Ryan Zimmerman
Evan Longoria

They neglect to mention things like Bay is the oldest player on that list and is significantly older than most of it. They also seem to be keeping up this idea that the Sox could have signed him for $15 million a year. I believe Bay rejected that offer, no? They keep harping on a Cameron/Hermida platoon making 10 million and for 5 million more you could have had Bay.
 

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Its pretty dreadful today along with the fact Felger still going on and on about Moss.
 

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QUOTE (Sinistas @ Dec 15 2009, 03:53 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730188
The show is dreadful today. Apparently the Sox "don't like" Jason Bay, which is also why he had the horrific slump around the ASG last year. Somebody tried to explain that perhaps Cameron and Scutaro are just bridging the gap to eventual farm replacements, and both Felger and Mazz treated the caller like he was a total idiot, despite it just being a hypothetical explanation. When they're locked into their opinion and can't rationally discuss something, this show is unlistenable.


Well, I think there are points to be made about Jason Bay and questioning why the Red Sox had significant "red flags" about him.

But yeah, like Felger with Moss, whenever Tony gets an opportunity to talk about the Red Sox's lineup, he goes to Teixeira. And that's what today has been, Moss and Teixeira.

I still think this show is a viable alternative and can continue to be that. But it seems like Felger and Mazz are so worried about being viewed as "fence sitters" like Ordway, that they try to force a strong opinion instead of acknowledging obvious grey area. They need to understand it's okay to talk about grey area with some of these things.
 

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Around 5:20 or so today: Felger didn't know that you can't trade draft picks. He thought that only applied to the supplemental round. That's disappointing to say the least.
 

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Around 5:20 or so today: Felger didn't know that you can't trade draft picks. He thought that only applied to the supplemental round. That's disappointing to say the least.



Why is that so disappointing? He's not a baseball guy, by his own admission. It's football and hockey. This show is so much better than The Big Show. It's not even close.




Oh, and no Ordway today so that show was even worse, I imagine, since I didn't listen.
 

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QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Dec 15 2009, 06:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730361
Why is that so disappointing? He's not a baseball guy, by his own admission. It's football and hockey. This show is so much better than The Big Show. It's not even close.




Oh, and no Ordway today so that show was even worse, I imagine, since I didn't listen.


I agree 1000%. Maybe its cause I'm not a HUGE baseball fan, but I enjoyed todays show. In fact I'm 100% hooked on the show........its the best sports radio in Boston, maybe ever.

Cedric Maxwell and Lou Merloni............nuf said. :c070: Those dinosaurs on the Big Show are going down.
 

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QUOTE (YouDownWithOBP? @ Dec 15 2009, 05:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730352
Around 5:20 or so today: Felger didn't know that you can't trade draft picks. He thought that only applied to the supplemental round. That's disappointing to say the least.


Why is it disappointing? Do you think Michael Holley knew that? I highly doubt it. Do you think Dale Arnold knew that? Again, probably not. There's no doubt that Ordway didn't know that. Really, I don't think many outside of the baseball beat writers knew that.

The point is, Felger's baseball knowledge isn't the best in the market, but it's pretty in-line with what the standard is. And in fact, I'd say in some cases it's better, as he understands and references OBP, slugging percentage, and even occasionally OPS, which is something that not many do (it's not ideal, but it's fact).

So yeah, I am sick of people bashing his baseball knowledge. You can disagree with his opinions and he certainly isn't an expert, but in all honesty, few are. And compared to his peers, he's pretty in-line and in some cases better.
 

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QUOTE (Dalton Jones @ Dec 14 2009, 12:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2728284
Time is not Felger's friend. The more you listen to him, the less there is.




You're wrong on this one Dalton. Trust me. I don't disagree with you often but this is a good show. I don't like his hate'in on BC all the time but you don't like me hate'in all on Holy Cross. What's the alternative? The Big Show? NPR? Wait. Don't answer that.
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Dec 15 2009, 07:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730404
Why is it disappointing? Do you think Michael Holley knew that? I highly doubt it. Do you think Dale Arnold knew that? Again, probably not. There's no doubt that Ordway didn't know that. Really, I don't think many outside of the baseball beat writers knew that.

The point is, Felger's baseball knowledge isn't the best in the market, but it's pretty in-line with what the standard is. And in fact, I'd say in some cases it's better, as he understands and references OBP, slugging percentage, and even occasionally OPS, which is something that not many do (it's not ideal, but it's fact).

So yeah, I am sick of people bashing his baseball knowledge. You can disagree with his opinions and he certainly isn't an expert, but in all honesty, few are. And compared to his peers, he's pretty in-line and in some cases better.


Hmmmm....I take it back then. I thought it was common knowledge, but looks like I was mistaken.
 

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Its not common knowledge that you cant trade draft picks? I would have thought it was but maybe not. You would think these guys would have figured it out since they've been covering sports for years and have heard hundreds of baseball trades and not a single one involving a draft pick
 

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QUOTE (scottyno @ Dec 15 2009, 07:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730423
Its not common knowledge that you cant trade draft picks? I would have thought it was but maybe not. You would think these guys would have figured it out since they've been covering sports for years and have heard hundreds of baseball trades and not a single one involving a draft pick




Well, one of them did figure it out. Long ago. Mazz. He's a baseball guy. He corrected Felger. I was listening and heard it. You know what? I bet Felger - and quite a few lads here on this board, maybe even you - could easily school me about a lot of the rules and language and schemes in the football game. I just don't know it as I do baseball. Or hockey. I'll bet a guy like Death has forgot more football than I could possibly learn. Go ask your baseball fan friends how many of them didn't know you can't trade draft picks. You guys got to stop this shit. Felger and Mazz are not a conduit for SoSH. It's a radio show. I like it.
 

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QUOTE (scottyno @ Dec 15 2009, 07:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730423
Its not common knowledge that you cant trade draft picks? I would have thought it was but maybe not. You would think these guys would have figured it out since they've been covering sports for years and have heard hundreds of baseball trades and not a single one involving a draft pick


Well, it was a passing comment. I think that if you put a quiz in front of Felger which asked if you could trade picks, he maybe would say "no."

But honestly, I've heard a lot stupider shit said on sports talk radio in this market. Even by guys who are generally acknowledged (including by myself) as knowledge baseball guys. I remember a poster in the "Dale and Holley" thread saying Dale said that Jacoby Ellsbury is a better center fielder than Carlos Beltran.

Just as a general point, I really don't think Felger's baseball knowledge is that bad. It's not as good as a "baseball guy's," but is on-par with many others in this market, and in some cases is better than most.
 

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I guess my problem with this show is it purely exists to take anyone and everyone to task in Boston sports, deservedly or not.

It's a smart ratings ploy, but Jesus Christ does it get old. If, for example, the Pats won the SB this year, I swear to God they would spend four hours talking about how Bill Walsh or Don Shula or whoever would take BB's lunch money, or Randy Moss taking plays off after a 7/120, 2 TD performance.

Whatever - it's just talk radio. Being negative is easy.
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Dec 15 2009, 09:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2730541
Well, it was a passing comment. I think that if you put a quiz in front of Felger which asked if you could trade picks, he maybe would say "no."

But honestly, I've heard a lot stupider shit said on sports talk radio in this market. Even by guys who are generally acknowledged (including by myself) as knowledge baseball guys. I remember a poster in the "Dale and Holley" thread saying Dale said that Jacoby Ellsbury is a better center fielder than Carlos Beltran.

Just as a general point, I really don't think Felger's baseball knowledge is that bad. It's not as good as a "baseball guy's," but is on-par with many others in this market, and in some cases is better than most.


I suspect he would not have. He at first thought Mazz was saying you can't trade sandwich picks, then when clarified you can't trade any picks, he asked really? more than once before settling down. He did not know, I think most sports radio hosts do. But Felger has made clear before he's not a rules guy, "the cap is crap", the Pats need a receiver why not trade for Michael Crabtree who's sitting at home(because it's against the rules sir). I give him credit for admitting he's not into the miniutae of the rules in sports, most hosts would have covered the gaffe by pretending they thought Mazz was talking about something else.

My favorite moment today was, uh Tony can you help me pronounce this word....(then tries anyway)...pleh-tell-eht

Tony "that's platelet you idiot"

Hilarious, he knew he'd butcher it then went ahead anyways.

Even though there are things that make me nuts on this show, there would be things that are bothersome on any show.

I'm happy to not have to turn on the screaming competition on EEI from 2-6.