Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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And he's admitted he was dead wrong about all of them, and he couldn't be happier about it. Also, RMPS must not be that knowledgeable because a ton of people were saying those things as well, myself included.

He also said after the Bruins lost Game 5 that they were going to win it all. I am glad he was right about that.
 

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I agree one hundred percent that he admits when he's wrong. No question. They even did a bit about the Marchand thing. And I listened every day because I love hockey and he was the only guy in this market to bring it to the forefront. I just can't believe how wrong he was on so many things. But yes, had he been measured he'd have been boring. Alas.
 

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A bunch of douchebags being afraid to be wrong wouldn't make for very entertaining radio. But I get it, you guys don't like him, so the first thing on your mind when the Bruins win is suck it Felger.
You listen to "The Big Show", I see? As long as he admits he's wrong when he is, which Felger did, I'd rather have someone who has the balls to take a stand then qualify everything and debate semantics for 20 minutes. Nothing more annoying than something like, "Chara can't contain the Sedins! They're going to cause havok on the first line! Unless he can play physically and take them off their game, or get some big help from his fellow defensemen, the Sedins are going to get their points. He'll have to disrupt their passing lanes, and get some help from Tim Thomas...".
 

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My irritation is more that even if he can be really annoying, I just can't put him in the same class as other guys in the market (Shag, I'm looking at you) who clearly profiteered off of Boston sports fan misery and never seemed to really believe in the teams they were covering.

Felger had a ton of enthusiasm about this team throughout the playoffs except for when they were down 2-0 against Montreal.

(PS I realize he is a douche about the Patriots and pretty much actively cheers against them and that may be a big part of why people don't like him in general, but specific to the B's, I have no real complaints)
 

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When Shawn Thornton was interviewed after the game, the first words out of his mouth were "suck it, Felger. We're not that bad after all."

As others have said, Felger's job is to stir discussion and keep his opinions on your mind. When even the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS are thinking of MICHAEL BLEEPIN' FELGER after they win GAME 7, it tells you that he's doing something right...

Nobody is a more relevant figure in the Boston sports media landscape right now.
 

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"Sorry but complaining about F &M and what they were wrong today kinda makes you the turd in the punch bowl."

A role I've had many many times in my life.....
 

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When Shawn Thornton was interviewed after the game, the first words out of his mouth were "suck it, Felger. We're not that bad after all."

As others have said, Felger's job is to stir discussion and keep his opinions on your mind. When even the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS are thinking of MICHAEL BLEEPIN' FELGER after they win GAME 7, it tells you that he's doing something right...

Nobody is a more relevant figure in the Boston sports media landscape right now.
This is what I absolutely hate about the media. They will do anything to be relevant. Like when Buckley used his tabloid rostrum to attack Nomar. They can say whatever they want, no matter how incendiary, and fall back on the explanation that it's their job to have opinions and that's why people read or listen. Maybe they're right. But they should be held accountable.
 

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My irritation is more that even if he can be really annoying, I just can't put him in the same class as other guys in the market (Shag, I'm looking at you) who clearly profiteered off of Boston sports fan misery and never seemed to really believe in the teams they were covering.

Felger had a ton of enthusiasm about this team throughout the playoffs except for when they were down 2-0 against Montreal.

(PS I realize he is a douche about the Patriots and pretty much actively cheers against them and that may be a big part of why people don't like him in general, but specific to the B's, I have no real complaints)

Sorry, I just realized my post could be read multiple ways. I was agreeing with you, actually. I'm just operating on about 90 minutes of sleep and barely coherent. So to clarify, my point was that you've obviously listened to the Big Show if you hate nancies not taking a stand. Which was followed by me doing my best Michael Holley 30-caveat stance impression of a point Felger once made. I'd rather have Felger saying "Chara can't handle it", and then admit he was wrong later, than someone who qualifies every sentence and goes back and says "Well, I know I said he sucked, but actually I was right. He did all the little things I said he had to do to not suck". You're not saying anything at all when you talk like that.
 

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This is what I absolutely hate about the media. They will do anything to be relevant. Like when Buckley used his tabloid rostrum to attack Nomar. They can say whatever they want, no matter how incendiary, and fall back on the explanation that it's their job to have opinions and that's why people read or listen. Maybe they're right. But they should be held accountable.
Accountability was and presumably still is the reason for being of this show. "We're going to hold their feet to the fire. No more homerism and pom pom waving."

There has been a decade of sustained excellence in this town that probably is unparalleled in the history of American professional sports. Yes, there were one-sport wonders -- the Yankees from 1947 - 56 (7 championships). You also have a run of dominance in New York in the 1980s -- but remember that NYC fielded twice as many teams as Boston has over the last decade.

Don't hold your breath for acknowledgment of this. While they whine, bitch, moan and criticize, F & M have not been accountable on THE essential truth of the 2000s -- what we Boston fans have enjoyed is exceedingly rare, not likely to be matched in our lifetimes and the product of extraordinary ownership and management across the four major sports.
 

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I'm a broken record on this but I've got nothing to do so let me start.

Great that Felger made hockey the number one topic on his show. He killed 'EEI with that and he pumped Bruins hockey from day one of his show. Major props. But how much does he actually know about hockey?


I want some help here. I want to compile a list of every wrong opinion Felger had about the Bruins this season.

1. Tuuka Rask should be in goal.

2. Tim Thomas doesn't have it and chokes in the playoffs.

3. Marchand is a nice little fourth line forward but nothing to get excited about.

3a. The GM whiffed on the trades.

4. Claude Julien is an okay coach but his system will damn him in the end.

5. Julien shouldn't suit up Thornton in game 3.
Do us all a favor and stop listening to the fucking show.
 

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And he's admitted he was dead wrong about all of them, and he couldn't be happier about it. Also, RMPS must not be that knowledgeable because a ton of people were saying those things as well, myself included.

He also said after the Bruins lost Game 5 that they were going to win it all. I am glad he was right about that.
I just was going to post this. A lot of us (possibly knowledgeable) fans were all over the coach and the players this season, and they shut us the hell up.


I was wrong on Thomas and on Julien. Wonderfully, delightfully, and completely wrong.
 

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Accountability was and presumably still is the reason for being of this show. "We're going to hold their feet to the fire. No more homerism and pom pom waving."

There has been a decade of sustained excellence in this town that probably is unparalleled in the history of American professional sports. Yes, there were one-sport wonders -- the Yankees from 1947 - 56 (7 championships). You also have a run of dominance in New York in the 1980s -- but remember that NYC fielded twice as many teams as Boston has over the last decade.

Don't hold your breath for acknowledgment of this. While they whine, bitch, moan and criticize, F & M have not been accountable on THE essential truth of the 2000s -- what we Boston fans have enjoyed is exceedingly rare, not likely to be matched in our lifetimes and the product of extraordinary ownership and management across the four major sports.
You obviously do not listen to this show except when he is talking about the Patriots because I have to tell you you are dead wrong about this with a single exception - Felger has and never will give Belichik the credit that I presume you want him to.
 

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Accountability was and presumably still is the reason for being of this show. "We're going to hold their feet to the fire. No more homerism and pom pom waving."

There has been a decade of sustained excellence in this town that probably is unparalleled in the history of American professional sports. Yes, there were one-sport wonders -- the Yankees from 1947 - 56 (7 championships). You also have a run of dominance in New York in the 1980s -- but remember that NYC fielded twice as many teams as Boston has over the last decade.

Don't hold your breath for acknowledgment of this. While they whine, bitch, moan and criticize, F & M have not been accountable on THE essential truth of the 2000s -- what we Boston fans have enjoyed is exceedingly rare, not likely to be matched in our lifetimes and the product of extraordinary ownership and management across the four major sports.
I agree completely. The problem with F&M is that they are incendiary for its own sake (like most mainstream media today) and such an approach to all things is utterly laughable in the face of seven pro championships in under 10 years in one town. Their hot-headed rhetoric hardly matches reality on the whole. This does not mean I enjoy pom pom waivers either but what I prefer is someone who can be critical without being mind-numbingly simple, reactionary, overzealous, and anti-intellectual. There is nothing "critical" about F&M. Their positions are black and white and dumb-downed all delivered in rant form that makes for predictable and ultimately unsatisfying radio.
 

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You obviously do not listen to this show except when he is talking about the Patriots because I have to tell you you are dead wrong about this with a single exception - Felger has and never will give Belichik the credit that I presume you want him to.
And Mazz -- since Nomar's departure -- has never and will never give Theo & Co. the credit they deserve. And it's more than credit, actually -- it's the absence of any benefit of the doubt on virtually every step they take.

Unfortunately, you have to take these two guys as the tandem they are. And both teams, in their view, are unduly arrogant and cheap, 5 titles in 10 years notwithstanding.

And since nobody cares about the NBA, says Felger, how much really is left?
 

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I have to disagree. Mazz was stuck on Teix for a long time but he absolutely said that he was wrong about last year's team and they were much better than he would have predicted. I really don't like Mazz all that much on his own (baseball reporters is unlistenable) and I think Felger would do better with a better partner....but to me that's different than the idea that they are never going to give anybody credit. Even if it is grudgingly given, I have heard them do it.

I mean, listen, they are obnoxious about some things, right? They will pay 20 times as much attention on things they were right about than things they were wrong. But that's sports talk nature, I think (even on this board).


And though they don't talk much basketball, they love Doc Rivers, for whatever that's worth.
 

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Felger and Mazz are peeing themselves on the radio right now and it is fantastic.
 

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Except his job isn't to be right, his job is to get discussion going. He's not an analyst. And you know, he took his licks yesterday like a champ when people called him out on those very things.

A bunch of douchebags being afraid to be wrong wouldn't make for very entertaining radio. But I get it, you guys don't like him, so the first thing on your mind when the Bruins win is suck it Felger.

BTW, unlike a lot of people who are smarter than him, you at least have to give him credit for not being a nancy in this Cup Finals.
This may come off as nitpicking, but even though I don't see Felger as an analyst on his talk show, he is an analyst during post-game coverage on CSNNE, the NHL media rightsolder's sister station, where he parrots most of the stuff he says in the afternoon.

Nevertheless, I won't fault him for being wrong about the list of things mentioned. The only real issue I have ever had with him was over the Pacioretty stuff.
 

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A bunch of douchebags being afraid to be wrong wouldn't make for very entertaining radio.
Welcome to WEEI the last ten years. And to be honest, I doubt they even realize it. And at its core THATS why TSH is murdering WEEI. Its why even meatheads like Gresh and Zolak win.........at least they stand for SOMETHING.

Glen Ordways manifesto about successful sports radio, dispite the monster he created in the medium, is dead wrong. Like do the opposite of what he says wrong. No one knew it because they were competing against themselves.
 

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The montage of Mazz predicting in October that the B's were going to win the Cup with Felger scoffing is just fantastic.
 

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When Shawn Thornton was interviewed after the game, the first words out of his mouth were "suck it, Felger. We're not that bad after all."

As others have said, Felger's job is to stir discussion and keep his opinions on your mind. When even the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS are thinking of MICHAEL BLEEPIN' FELGER after they win GAME 7, it tells you that he's doing something right...

Nobody is a more relevant figure in the Boston sports media landscape right now.
Not necessarily.

Couldn't you also then say Curt Schilling thinking about DAN BLEEPIN' SHAUGHNESSY right after he won the World Series, tells you that Shaughnessy is doing something right....

It could also just mean that the guy was beating a point into the ground incessantly and one of the principals of that point is a frequent guest on the same station and had to hear about it all the time.
 

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Not necessarily.

Couldn't you also then say Curt Schilling thinking about DAN BLEEPIN' SHAUGHNESSY right after he won the World Series, tells you that Shaughnessy is doing something right....

It could also just mean that the guy was beating a point into the ground incessantly and one of the principals of that point is a frequent guest on the same station and had to hear about it all the time.
The difference between Shaughnessy and Felger is that Felger doesn't take himself too seriously (as evidenced by all of the montages they've been playing about how wrong he was about the Bruins). He's not afraid to admit he's wrong, and doesn't hold onto points of view once they've been proven to be wrong.

You can practically feel Felger winking at you through the radio whenever he goes on one of his "rants." As a radio host, he's supposed to draw you into the show and get you riled up enough to maybe, just maybe call-in. Felger's job is to create conversation and he does a good job of that.

I don't really think Shaughnessy creates much conversation anymore, because it's so apparent he's just a bitter man. His "contrarianism" is filled with personal bias and vitriol, whereas Felger is more good-hearted.

Schilling hates CHB. I don't think Shawn Thornton hates Felger. Thornton's comment seemed to all be in "good fun," like it was just another part of "the show."
 

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They are still faced with a delicious problem (from my standpoint )if the summer goes as most of us hope. Whadda they going to do, harsh out on the Pats for drafting Ras-i Dowling?
 

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When they have The Big Show where Buster Douglas had Tyson? C'mon, finish the job (and Wolfe's too).
 

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I never understood why they felt the need to do it. Only good thing is he is only in for 2 hours. I like Gasper joining them on Friday's, but Wiggy brings nothing.
 

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I never understood why they felt the need to do it. Only good thing is he is only in for 2 hours. I like Gasper joining them on Friday's, but Wiggy brings nothing.
I assume to promote Wiggy's weekend show, no?

Not saying it does a good job of that, but I think that's the idea.
 

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Ha, I didn't even know he had a weekend show. Guess it isn't doing a good job of that.
I didn't either, but after the parade on Saturday I was driving so I threw on TSH hoping for some good Bruins celebrating and what I got was Wiggy and some other guy, and they spoke like it was a regular thing.
 

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I really fucking hate Wiggy Wednesdays.

The guy brings absolutely nothing to the table and I hate to admit it, but I'd rather listen to Smerlas and Deossie over this guy.
Wow. Step away from the keyboard. You go to the corner and think about what you just said.

Seriously, I don't get the hate and vitriol for Wiggy. Maybe I don't listen enough. The only complaint I have is days like today, when the show is examining the Patriots' roster with a scanning electron microscope. In JUNE. When no-one knows if there will even be an NFL season in 2011.

 

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I listen a decent amount on the weekends, and have never heard him on before. It was my guess on Saturday that it was an added show to have more post-parade programming and because their regular scheduling got shifted around. I did think though that perhaps they were testing him out before making it a weekly thing.
 

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Wow. Step away from the keyboard. You go to the corner and think about what you just said.

Seriously, I don't get the hate and vitriol for Wiggy. Maybe I don't listen enough. The only complaint I have is days like today, when the show is examining the Patriots' roster with a scanning electron microscope. In JUNE. When no-one knows if there will even be an NFL season in 2011.

A few counter points to this. 1) His voice and manner of speech is like nails on a chalkboard for me. 2) His anecdotes leave a LOT to be desired, and mostly serve as namedropping with very little relevance, and 3) Any time he talks about anything besides football, he has no depth of knowledge on the subject. It's mostly cursory knowledge, and sometimes, he can't even get names right (happened a couple of times with the Bruins)

And as to why they're going in depth over the Pats roster today, when " no-one knows if there will even be an NFL season in 2011.", it's because by all reports, we're driving full speed right AT an agreement, and for the first time, we have reported hard numbers as to the Salary Cap and Floor. We're long past the Celtics, and even now, what Bruins are we gonna talk? Felger might be able to intelligently discuss the NHL Awards for tonight, but is Maz? it's a good time to talk Pats. You're not gonna do 4 hours of only Sox
 

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A few counter points to this. 1) His voice and manner of speech is like nails on a chalkboard for me. 2) His anecdotes leave a LOT to be desired, and mostly serve as namedropping with very little relevance, and 3) Any time he talks about anything besides football, he has no depth of knowledge on the subject. It's mostly cursory knowledge, and sometimes, he can't even get names right (happened a couple of times with the Bruins)

And as to why they're going in depth over the Pats roster today, when " no-one knows if there will even be an NFL season in 2011.", it's because by all reports, we're driving full speed right AT an agreement, and for the first time, we have reported hard numbers as to the Salary Cap and Floor. We're long past the Celtics, and even now, what Bruins are we gonna talk? Felger might be able to intelligently discuss the NHL Awards for tonight, but is Maz? it's a good time to talk Pats. You're not gonna do 4 hours of only Sox
Not only that, expecting them to talk Sox while the sox are playing is crazy. Anyone who wants to hear about the Red Sox are likely listening to the game. Perfect day to talk Pats.
 

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You're not gonna do 4 hours of only Sox
Umm, why not? They're in season. They're playing during the show (mostly, when not delayed), and it's not like things are so rosy sunshine on Yawkey Way they can't find something to talk about (Lackey spitting the bit again, RF woes, Gonzalez to the OF in NL parks, the turnaround from the 2-10 start, take your pick).

Seems to me that a station and a show that has been mocking/blasting the competition for having ignored the Bruins for so long is being a bit hypocritical to be doing Patriots roster talk in June with the Sox on a tear.
 

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Umm, why not? They're in season. They're playing during the show (mostly, when not delayed), and it's not like things are so rosy sunshine on Yawkey Way they can't find something to talk about (Lackey spitting the bit again, RF woes, Gonzalez to the OF in NL parks, the turnaround from the 2-10 start, take your pick).

Seems to me that a station and a show that has been mocking/blasting the competition for having ignored the Bruins for so long is being a bit hypocritical to be doing Patriots roster talk in June with the Sox on a tear.
The bolded point, to be specific. But furthermore, people WANT to talk Pats, and you're the lead in to "The Baseball Reporters". Wiggy's in for the first 2 hours of a 2-6 show, while the Red Sox are playing, with most intent Sox fans on the other station. You tell me what the better strategy is? Rope in the rest of the interest while your football guy is, then talk Sox when the game's over and you can recap, and during the baseball reporters, or talk baseball during the game with a guy who is so far out of his league on the subject he turns viewers off the station?
 

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Umm, why not? They're in season. They're playing during the show (mostly, when not delayed), and it's not like things are so rosy sunshine on Yawkey Way they can't find something to talk about (Lackey spitting the bit again, RF woes, Gonzalez to the OF in NL parks, the turnaround from the 2-10 start, take your pick).

Seems to me that a station and a show that has been mocking/blasting the competition for having ignored the Bruins for so long is being a bit hypocritical to be doing Patriots roster talk in June with the Sox on a tear.
I don't really get the impression that Felger and Mazz ignore the Red Sox. I'll give you that because of Felger's disdain for basketball (and the fact that 98.5 carries the Bruins whether Felger admits to that portion of it or not) they definitely will snide Celtics talk in favor of Bruins talk.

But they always mix in Sox talk during the season, and are the only regular show on "The Sports Hub" that will talk hot stove. The difference is, Felger doesn't enjoy semantical arguments, which is precisely what a 4 hour discussion of whether it's a good idea to move Adrian Gonzalez to RF for a game or not will inevitable turn into...

A show like that is right up Ordway's alley, because you're bound to get some idiotic callers you can belittle for 5 minutes. But Felger doesn't really run his show like that. For example, all of the ridiculous baseball callers were immediately hung up on. In fact, he rarely gives callers a lot of rope which I actually think is one of his positives as a talk show host (Jim Rome does a similar thing, which probably leads into the point that Felger models his style off of Rome's a little bit but that's a discussion for a different day.)
 

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Felger is having another baby. Could be a lot more of Mazz when that baby arrives.

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I'm not too disappointed about a lack of Sox talk on Felger and Mazz. Yesterday Mazz spent a whole segment of the Baseball Reporters talking about trading Carl Crawford to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez.
 

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I'm not too disappointed about a lack of Sox talk on Felger and Mazz. Yesterday Mazz spent a whole segment of the Baseball Reporters talking about trading Carl Crawford to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez.
Exactly. Mazz has been generally atrocious on what is supposed to be his sweet spot--baseball. In addition to his awesome hot stove theories, he's been absolutely hammering the point that Tim Wakefield shouldn't leave the rotation under any circumstances while simultaneously believe that Andrew Miller should get a shot, but if he has a bad start, then he no longer deserves it....just totally illogical garbage that is obviously clouded by his having written a book with Wakefield (which, to be fair, he consistently owns up to). It's just not an interesting topic, and hearing him harp on the same points over and over again is even less interesting.
 

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They need to get him another person on the Baseball Reporters. too bad McAdam wouldn't be available for that.
 

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Exactly. Mazz has been generally atrocious on what is supposed to be his sweet spot--baseball. In addition to his awesome hot stove theories, he's been absolutely hammering the point that Tim Wakefield shouldn't leave the rotation under any circumstances while simultaneously believe that Andrew Miller should get a shot, but if he has a bad start, then he no longer deserves it....just totally illogical garbage that is obviously clouded by his having written a book with Wakefield (which, to be fair, he consistently owns up to). It's just not an interesting topic, and hearing him harp on the same points over and over again is even less interesting.

I'll admit that I don't really follow the Red Sox that closely these days, but what WOULD be intersting Red Sox discussion that would appeal to the masses? From the outside it doesn't look like there is a whole lot going on there.........kind of a "check back in September" feel to team. Thats hard to discuss.

Maybe the Bruins just fried my brain.
 

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Mazz actually wants Ortiz on the bench. They shouldn't have to make room for Ortiz because Gonzalez is the most important bat. Just accept the rules as it is.

Hey Mazz, how about trying to be creative to get both bats in the lineup?