Jaylen played a decent amount his rookie year (17mpg) , and also saw the floor quite a bit in the playoffs (12 mpg).Yeah, the Celtics have done this plan with every non-Tatum wing and it's worked fine/well.
Jaylen played a decent amount his rookie year (17mpg) , and also saw the floor quite a bit in the playoffs (12 mpg).Yeah, the Celtics have done this plan with every non-Tatum wing and it's worked fine/well.
I mean sure 55-1 sounds great so a sprinkle would never be bad at that price......but you’d need 4-5 season ending injuries in front of him to be in the conversation. As it is, Halliburton will probably need Ball to go down for an extended period to win it.Halliburton will be the steal of this draft. BUT Pat Williams at 55-1 for ROY is the best value
PW is already starting. The eventual Bulls fade could lead to a Zach Lavine sell.I mean sure 55-1 sounds great so a sprinkle would never be bad at that price......but you’d need 4-5 season ending injuries in front of him to be in the conversation. As it is, Halliburton will probably need Ball to go down for an extended period to win it.
#$@#@%@% Mason Jones didn't even get drafted.Mason Jones getting buckets in his first real game action. 21 on 11 shots. Offense was never really the question with him, but good to see. He’ll have an opportunity with the Rockets suddenly needing some scoring.
I see Houston picked up Mason Jones, damn I liked him for the 2nd round.
Seems like another Wiggins type to me. Lots of physical skills/good athletic profile but questionable desire/ability to improve. Tons of time for improvement but not sure Minnesota is the best development place for him. I probably would have gone Wiseman over him at the time of the draft. I think he and Towns could have eventually learned to play together.#1 pick Anthony Edwards is 11-56 from the floor over his last five games (19.6%) and is now rocking a .424 true shooting for the season, on high usage (26.3). It’s normal for a kid that young to clang until he learns what a good shot is, but there’s bad and there’s .424 ts bad. And unlike LaMelo (who has come back to earth as a shooter, now .495 ts) he’s not getting rebounds, assists, steals, or blocks, either. PER of 5.7 in 349 minutes. Woof!
Still a tiny sample from a really young kid (nearly four years younger than Obi Toppin, e.g.) but you wonder if the Wolves privately would not take Wiseman, Ball, quasi-local kid Haliburton and a couple others over the Ant-Man in a redraft right now. Fwiw, Bill Simmons in a recent podcast had it Wiseman #1, Haliburton #2, Ball #3.
I wonder how hard Danny was trying to trade up to get him as he skid down the board, and what teams were asking for. I remember so many of us wanting the Celtics to find a way to draft him.Halliburton will be the steal of this draft. BUT Pat Williams at 55-1 for ROY is the best value
yea and throw in Bane also who they drafted @30I wonder how hard Danny was trying to trade up to get him as he skid down the board, and what teams were asking for. I remember so many of us wanting the Celtics to find a way to draft him.
Would you trade Nesmith and PP for him right now? I would.
You never really can have enough Israeli backup PG’s on ones roster.Yeah, I seriously wanted him over the Israeli backup PG prospect. Especially given that they’d drafted Pritchard in the 1st.
another good game from the Honey Badger.Yeah, I seriously wanted him over the Israeli backup PG prospect. Especially given that they’d drafted Pritchard in the 1st.
I don't think Sacramento was ever going to trade that pick, but would the Spurs or Suns have traded pick 11 or 10? There's a good chance the players they wanted would have been available at 14, and they could have picked up another pick.yea and throw in Bane also who they drafted @30
Sacramento knew they were getting the steal of the draft
Spurs will be thrilled with Vassel and his defenseI don't think Sacramento was ever going to trade that pick, but would the Spurs or Suns have traded pick 11 or 10? There's a good chance the players they wanted would have been available at 14, and they could have picked up another pick.
We actually talked a lot about Quickley pre-draft around here. It was near consensus that all the mocks had him wrong (mid 2nd rounder by some) and the Knicks jumped on that...Immanuel Quickley has come out of nowhere to take this rookie class by storm over the past 3 weeks. The consistency isn’t there as he’s had a couple nightmares mixed in with 25+ points in 4 of his last 12 games. He clearly has “it” with the ability to create his own shot including a deadly old school runner and has all the physical abilities to be a keeper.
It was about payroll flexibility. Now, whether that worked out.... less clear, but the move wasn't about the player it was about getting to a certain number to open up your options, and minimizing some of the future year commitments as well.Bane 3-6 from 3 tonight over 50% on the season...
Couldn't we have just lived with Kanter? Was/is Carsen or Javonte really needed.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kanter wanted out. There was an article last year about him being unhappy with his role and minutes, and while it was in the context of Stevens having a good conversation with him about it and getting him on board, those are the kind of issues that may make a player want a change of scenery.It was about payroll flexibility. Now, whether that worked out.... less clear, but the move wasn't about the player it was about getting to a certain number to open up your options, and minimizing some of the future year commitments as well.
Didn’t he sign with a player option? There were ways for him to get out if that’s what he wanted.I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kanter wanted out. There was an article last year about him being unhappy with his role and minutes, and while it was in the context of Stevens having a good conversation with him about it and getting him on board, those are the kind of issues that may make a player want a change of scenery.
Yea I think it's this. Kanter wanted a rotational role and Portland understands his limitations/capabilities. Not sure why Danny wanted/ had to throw Bane into it. Just didn't see EK as dead moneyI also wouldn’t be surprised if Kanter wanted out. There was an article last year about him being unhappy with his role and minutes, and while it was in the context of Stevens having a good conversation with him about it and getting him on board, those are the kind of issues that may make a player want a change of scenery.
He did have a player option. I’d have to look into Portland’s cap situation but they used the full MLE on Derrick Jones Jr., so it may be all they could offer Kanter in free agency would have been the minimum (maybe the biannual, not sure if they were eligible this year).Didn’t he sign with a player option? There were ways for him to get out if that’s what he wanted.
Yeah, he’d take a minor salary hit, but it would have been a very small % of his career earnings.
Yes, we needed to move Kanter and the pick to open the full MLE.Yea I think it's this. Kanter wanted a rotational role and Portland understands his limitations/capabilities. Not sure why Danny wanted/ had to throw Bane into it.
The C's have zero payroll problems at the moment. Did losing Kanters $5MM help them get the MLE up? I can't recall. But not sure there was any demand/competition for TT that we needed the extra amount. If Klutch played hardball I would have moved on.
The draftniks around here (@nighthob and @DannyDarwinism) knew this draft was light up at the top but very deep. It's playing out exactly that way.
Ainge has a long history with Kanters agent, Mark Bartelstein, as well and isn’t going to look to undercut Kanter due to Portland’s situation as well as ours. It seems like a standard NBA favor and a mutual agreement that Kanter wasn’t going to play in Boston this year. As far as Bane goes the timing of this deal sounds almost certainly that Bane was drafted for the Grizzlies and that he wasn’t a guy Ainge had targeted.He did have a player option. I’d have to look into Portland’s cap situation but they used the full MLE on Derrick Jones Jr., so it may be all they could offer Kanter in free agency would have been the minimum (maybe the biannual, not sure if they were eligible this year).
Pretty sure Hayward was still up in the air as of the draft. Moving Kanter was about putting the Celtics in a position to be closer to the tax line if Hayward came back or left in S&T which brought back comparable salary.Bane 3-6 from 3 tonight over 50% on the season...
Couldn't we have just lived with Kanter? Was/is Carsen or Javonte really needed.
The Celtics also got a (relatively small) TPE out of it, so I'm sure it was mutual - Kanter gets his guaranteed ~$5m but gets to move to a better system, and the Cs get a TPE as opposed to having Kanter leave for nothing.Ainge has a long history with Kanters agent, Mark Bartelstein, as well and isn’t going to look to undercut Kanter due to Portland’s situation as well as ours. It seems like a standard NBA favor and a mutual agreement that Kanter wasn’t going to play in Boston this year. As far as Bane goes the timing of this deal sounds almost certainly that Bane was drafted for the Grizzlies and that he wasn’t a guy Ainge had targeted.
Good point. Yea they made a run for Millsap, who would have fit this team much better. They also picked up a small TPE and a 2nd. So some future assetsYes, we needed to move Kanter and the pick to open the full MLE.
And I think that was a part of it. The MLE ended up being used on Thompson, which doesn't look great (though at the time a lot of smart basketball people thought it was a great move), but I don't think Thompson was the only guy on the list, it was about opening that option up, and maybe they got TT, but they had varying amounts of chance to get other guys (Milsap, Favors, Ibaka, Harrell, Saric, Poetel etc.) They opened it up to take a run at those guys, turned out the one they got was TT and that he looks much worse than last year, but that wasn't something they could know on draft night when they had to make the decision.
Portland got out of Hezonja & is only on the hook for $3.2MM. Nice move.Ainge has a long history with Kanters agent, Mark Bartelstein, as well and isn’t going to look to undercut Kanter due to Portland’s situation as well as ours. It seems like a standard NBA favor and a mutual agreement that Kanter wasn’t going to play in Boston this year. As far as Bane goes the timing of this deal sounds almost certainly that Bane was drafted for the Grizzlies and that he wasn’t a guy Ainge had targeted.
How has Tillman played? he had a lot of fans around herePretty sure Hayward was still up in the air as of the draft. Moving Kanter was about putting the Celtics in a position to be closer to the tax line if Hayward came back or left in S&T which brought back comparable salary.
That being said, I wanted them to use the pick too. Though my binky was Tillman.
Precious did work out for Ainge too. He reminds me of a young Montrezl Harrell off the bench. I didn’t see either of his two starts vs the Sixers but his 17/13 and 10/11 on a combined 11-16 shooting with 11 of those 24 boards offensive sure seems promising.in pure 20/20 hindsight, a Precious/Pritchard/Bane haul would have been pretty nice
Very well on defense, meh O with some nice passing Per 36 he's at 15/7.7/2.9/2.2/1.5 on 57 TS%, with a -0.9 OBPM and a 1.9 DBPM . He's 8th among PFs in DRPM 1.56. He's been coming on lately and getting starts, but his minutes will fade when JJJ and Justice Winslow come back, but Grizz fans seem very happy with him overall.How has Tillman played? he had a lot of fans around here
Is it really that different from any other season? Nearly all of the top rookies are one-and-dones. Ball didn’t play at all in college, Wiseman three games, Cole Anthony 20 games, Edwards, Okoro, and Achiuwa were one-and-dones.It isn't a surprise that in a redraft based off 20 games with no real preseason you'd take the most ready now prospects.
True I was only looking at the one-and-ones but one of the “most ready” looks like a bust to far in Toppin. It doesn’t look any different than other years from my seat which was my point.Precious certainly doesn’t fit that description, but of course. It’s almost as if people wanted to take those guys predraft precisely because they were ready to contribute now.
True I was only looking at the one-and-ones but one of the “most ready” looks like a bust to far in Toppin. It doesn’t look any different than other years from my seat which was my point.
Sorry, was responding to Cellar-Door, who I assume was responding to BenHogan's Celtics redraft picks. I agree with your point though, and this is well-trod territory here over the years.True I was only looking at the one-and-ones but one of the “most ready” looks like a bust to far in Toppin. It doesn’t look any different than other years from my seat which was my point.
No, though it's exacerbated by limited pre-season. my point was more... yeah of course if you base a redraft on 20 games all the more "ready" players rise, but it's dumb because people knew they were more ready and didn't draft them because they are looking for ceiling.Is it really that different from any other season? Nearly all of the top rookies are one-and-dones. Ball didn’t play at all in college, Wiseman three games, Cole Anthony 20 games, Edwards, Okoro, and Achiuwa were one-and-dones.
Every year we see older role players finding ways into their teams rotation but would you really use high draft capital on these players over higher ceiling guys?
PP can't get back soon enough. Haliburton would be such a perfect fit for the Celtics though. Ball handler, play maker, good 3 point shooter, size. He offers a lot of the things Brogdon would have offered.watching Haliburton light us up, with Nesmith getting another DNP, gave me Herro-lash last night
yep, agreed. Having Brogdon or Haliburton next to JayCrew is all the Celtics really needed to take the next step. Kemba looked decent against the Warriors. Just need a month or two of that and Danny may be able to cut the losses there.PP can't get back soon enough. Haliburton would be such a perfect fit for the Celtics though. Ball handler, play maker, good 3 point shooter, size. He offers a lot of the things Brogdon would have offered.
What a night for the Ball Bros. Career games for the both of them.Melo Ball with a monster game against the Jazz, going 34/4/8 in 39 minutes with no turnovers.
After a slow start, his threes are hitting at 33.6%, and he is at 62% at the rim, a good number for someone who attacks the rim from long distances. Melo is very good with his left hand, and he is phenomenal with the wrap around laydown passes off the drive to the hoop, usually resulting in Biz and Zeller getting a couple of easy dunks each games.
LaMelo is going to be a superstar in this league. His trainer Jermaine Jackson deserves two medals, one for getting him away from his father, an another for honing the skills and getting him stronger and more disciplined about skills and strength training.
The word on draft night was lots of teams were looking to move up and nobody in the lottery was willing to trade down. No clue if Ainge would have picked Halliburton, but there was a lot of noise that as guys fell (including Haliburton) teams trying to move up were getting shut out on the trade front.As Halliburton kept dropping I was getting more and more excited about the possibility of the Celtics landing him, and (while it is still early days) that one stings quite a bit. I would have thought that moving up from 14 to 10-11 might not have cost much more than #26 or #30 - but maybe Ainge & Co were higher on Nesmith than they were on Halliburton. No idea. These guys are also super, super young. So, it wouldn't be at all surprising if 2 years from now Nesmith is considered a better player than Halliburton. But, it sure would have been nice to have a young PG prospect with size.