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Revkeith

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Steve Young is a distant descendant of Brigham Young.
 
There is no network footage available of Super Bowl I. NBC and CBS both taped over their original broadcasts with soap operas (allegedly), not realizing at the time how big the Super Bowl would become.
 

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Revkeith said:
Steve Young is a distant descendant of Brigham Young.
 
There is no network footage available of Super Bowl I. NBC and CBS both taped over their original broadcasts with soap operas (allegedly), not realizing at the time how big the Super Bowl would become.
Tapes were expensive and difficult to maintain, and networks really did have no idea that people would want to watch games later.

It's also why there's not a complete World Series on tape until 1969, with several games only surviving via pure chance (with the latest find being Game 7 of the 1960 World Series - in Bing Crosby's wine cellar). We may never find tape of the Bobby Thomson home run, the Catch, the Brooklyn Dodgers winning the World Series, etc.
 

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Spacemans Bong said:
Tapes were expensive and difficult to maintain, and networks really did have no idea that people would want to watch games later.

It's also why there's not a complete World Series on tape until 1969, with several games only surviving via pure chance (with the latest find being Game 7 of the 1960 World Series - in Bing Crosby's wine cellar). We may never find tape of the Bobby Thomson home run, the Catch, the Brooklyn Dodgers winning the World Series, etc.
 

Do you mean we may never have those complete games on tape? Because we obviously have the Thomson HR and Mays catch on tape.
 
Forgive me, it's early and I'm coffee-deprived.
 

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DrewDawg said:
 
Do you mean we may never have those complete games on tape? Because we obviously have the Thomson HR and Mays catch on tape.
 
Forgive me, it's early and I'm coffee-deprived.
I think Bonger means those full games.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI7dVj90zs
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dK6zPbkFnE
 

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The Patriots' final drive to kick the game-winning field goal against the Rams was their longest drive of the game (53 yards). Also featured their longest play, just 23 yards. Their other scoring drives were 40 (touchdown) and 14 (field goal) yards. They also had two 45-yard drive that ended in punts.
 

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Willie McGinest was blatantly leg-whipped on Favre's second quarter TD run in SB XXXI.
Ha I saw that on the highlight 30 minute special a few days ago. I can't believe that wasn't called.
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
Ha I saw that on the highlight 30 minute special a few days ago. I can't believe that wasn't called.
 
 
Phil Plantier said:
Willie McGinest was blatantly leg-whipped on Favre's second quarter TD run in SB XXXI.
 
I still can't believe the four holding penalties on various Giants offensive linemen were not called during the Tyree helmet catch play.
 

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Norm Siebern said:
 
 
 
I still can't believe the four holding penalties on various Giants offensive linemen were not called during the Tyree helmet catch play.
Guess the refs "let them play" at the end of football and basketball games, but not in baseball ("interference" call in the ninth, game 3, 2013 WS. But, overall happy ending in that one  :) ).
 

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Brady has put exactly 0 points on the scoreboard in the first quarter of his six Super Bowls, according to a note I saw today.
 

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There was once a quarterback named Dick Wood. He must have really hated being called Rich. Thanks, SoSH.
He's lucky he wasn't named Dick Ward and raised in Boston.
 

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Harry Hooper said:
Brady has put exactly 0 points on the scoreboard in the first quarter of his six Super Bowls, according to a note I saw today.
He's not been fond of the 3rd quarter, either.  
 
Pats total scoring by period, Super Bowl:
1st: 0
2nd: 66
3rd: 17
4th: 59
 

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Super Nomario said:
Jonas Gray was the Patriots' leading rusher this year (with just 412). Pretty close between him, Vereen (391), Ridley (340), and Blount (281).
I would not be surprised if Gray was given the reigns next year, much like Ridley in 2012 following his benching in the previous postseason.
 

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I would not be surprised if they cut Gray in camp. 
 
There's no unbelievable outcome for this guy.
 

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How little-used was Malcolm Butler this season? Including the Super Bowl, he played 219 snaps on defense, fewer than Sealver Siliga, Jerod Mayo, Alfonzo Dennard, or Dominique Easley, all of whom spent chunks of the year on IR. Butler was inactive for four games and didn't play on defense in six others, including the Divisional Round win over Baltimore.
 

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I would not be surprised if Gray was given the reigns next year, much like Ridley in 2012 following his benching in the previous postseason.
Reins.

Sorry, straw that broke the camels back.
 

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I just learned that Jerry Rice admitted to using illegal stickum on his gloves even though he called the patriots cheaters for (allegedly & without proof) deflating footballs.
 

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Then Belichick brought up an interesting wrinkle that few who aren’t involved in game-day communication might have considered: With more media on the field for the      end of the game to capture the postgame scene, sometimes communication systems that teams use can be affected. 

Belichick mentioned Super Bowl XLII against the Giants, saying that happened to the Patriots at the end of that game.  

“All the TVs and everything go down on the field right at the end of the game, then your communication systems that were working OK during the game then break down at the end. That was the same thing that happened in '07. I thought that the signaling and the communication by [defensive coordinator] Matt Patricia and the defensive players, in order to get those subs on and off, was really good. We handled that part of it well.  

“Then Malcolm made a great play on the two under three route. That’s pretty much what happened from our end.” 
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/160890/bill-belichick-explains-decision-not-to-take-timeout-at-end-of-super-bowl
 
The media interferes with the ability of the teams to communicate by setting up for postgame coverage, during the last 2 minutes of the Super Bowl, and nobody has talked about this before?  
 

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He's mentioned it before in a PC. Pretty much widely accepted and not much they can do about it.
 

JMDurron

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Pxer said:
He's mentioned it before in a PC. Pretty much widely accepted and not much they can do about it.
 
Well, if it's widely accepted throughout the league, then I guess not knowing about it isn't an excuse for the Seahawks' awful time management in the middle of their final drive on Sunday.  It came across to me as an "only Belichick knew this!" kind of thing, or at least only coaches who have been trying to get plays in within the final 2-5 minutes of a tight Super Bowl thing.  That means I learned something else, and I'm back to "there was no excuse for that clock management" for Seattle.  
 

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The magnitude of Kap's regression. I'm re-watching SB 47 on the NFLN and wondering what happened
 

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dcmissle said:
The magnitude of Kap's regression. I'm re-watching SB 47 on the NFLN and wondering what happened
So are my last two fantasy teams. It's shicking how much he's Regressed. Loved him after the SB. Figured it was a off year but man is he screwed up. Hopefully for him Harbaugh leaving town is going to benefit him.
 

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In all of the seasons in which the Pats have won the Super Bowl, they beat the Indianapolis Colts twice -- either twice in the regular season or once in the season and once in the playoffs..
 

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Cousin Walter said:
In all of the seasons in which the Pats have won the Super Bowl, they beat the Indianapolis Colts twice -- either twice in the regular season or once in the season and once in the playoffs..
See six posts above.
 

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They beat the shit out of the Colts twice in 2001. That eventually led to the Mora PLAYOFFS tirade that season. Good times all around.
 

NortheasternPJ

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The NFL has a curious sense of where Indianapolis is situated geographically.
 
This is the same league that's had Tampa Bay in the AFC West for a year and  New Orleans, Carolina and Atlanta in the NFC West at various points.
 
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Yeah, in 1998, the Arizona Cardinals (and Cowboys, but at least that's a historical-rivalry thing) were in the NFC "East", Tampa Bay was in the Central, and the Atlanta Falcons and Carolina Panthers were in the NFC "West".  It was facepalm-worthy.
 
The NFL is even worse at geography than MLB is.  Thankfully, with one game a week, it matters less.  And better faux directional labels than calling it a "Legends" and "Leaders" division or some similar horseshit.
 

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MentalDisabldLst said:
Yeah, in 1998, the Arizona Cardinals (and Cowboys, but at least that's a historical-rivalry thing) were in the NFC "East", Tampa Bay was in the Central, and the Atlanta Falcons and Carolina Panthers were in the NFC "West".  It was facepalm-worthy.
 
The NFL is even worse at geography than MLB is.  Thankfully, with one game a week, it matters less.  And better faux directional labels than calling it a "Legends" and "Leaders" division or some similar horseshit.
 
Yep.  Capitol and Century and Coastal and Central make a ton of sense