1. Zappe for not being good
2. Parker for getting his foot out of bounds
3. Stevenson for his great first half turnover
2. Parker for getting his foot out of bounds
3. Stevenson for his great first half turnover
Game Balls vs Chargers
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Now THAT was some football. By which I mean feet kicking the ball was the primary action (15 combined punts, 2 FGs).
Pats defense remains pretty impressive in a losing cause, but goddamn, what an awful game.
Pats defense remains pretty impressive in a losing cause, but goddamn, what an awful game.
I only caught sporadic parts of the game, but I laughed out loud wathcing Thorton drop (and not even touch?) a wide open deep pass on what I can only assume was Zappe's best pass of the day.
The QBs stink but this WR group without Bourne (and Pop/Parker in and out of the lineup) is next level comically bad.
The QBs stink but this WR group without Bourne (and Pop/Parker in and out of the lineup) is next level comically bad.
Any fan that actually went to the game today deserves a game ball. Saw the secondary market was basically giving away seats before kickoff. $5 for lower bowl. I don't think I would have gone if you paid me $100 to sit in a suite and eat free food/booze.
1. Tackle play, especially Onwenu
2. Coaching, would have liked to see more play action though the above made that harder
3. Refs, how was that not a PI on the deep ball to Parker?
4. Offense, everyone could have been better.
I am just glad we are done with Mac. Zappe is not good but he did not throw a pick 6 or a pick. He did not fumble. He did not seem to panic at all. Give him another week.
Where was Malik Cunningham?
2. Coaching, would have liked to see more play action though the above made that harder
3. Refs, how was that not a PI on the deep ball to Parker?
4. Offense, everyone could have been better.
I am just glad we are done with Mac. Zappe is not good but he did not throw a pick 6 or a pick. He did not fumble. He did not seem to panic at all. Give him another week.
Where was Malik Cunningham?
What I love about the Parker foot out of bounds play is the he looks far enough in bounds to get the foot down but suddenyl throws his foot out for the sideline as though he were reaching for it. This is not the best angle but you can kind of see it:
View: https://twitter.com/IanSteeleABC6/status/1731416486458122745?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/IanSteeleABC6/status/1731416486458122745?s=20
It's difficult to pin a specific fault on the offense, so I am going with the two Bills. Awful play calling, wasted time outs, and the continued employment of the special teams coach. I guess the draft position is nice, but it's just as likely Wiliams is Jameis Winston/ Baker Mayfield as he is CJ Stroud. The problems on this offense go so much deeper than the QB.
How many times in the modern NFL has a team given up 10 or fewer points in three straight weeks and come away 0-3?
The defense needs to get the memo.
The defense needs to get the memo.
I saw him in the huddle at one point. His impact on the game was obviously quite memorable.
So they lost mostly because:
1. Zappe is not an NFL QB. I mean he wasn’t as awful as Mac has been, but he probably should have had a a game ending interception.
2. The OL
3. Just mental mistakes - TT drop, Parker foot OOB, etc.
Bonus - that may have been the best the defense has played all year without getting a turnover
1. Zappe is not an NFL QB. I mean he wasn’t as awful as Mac has been, but he probably should have had a a game ending interception.
2. The OL
3. Just mental mistakes - TT drop, Parker foot OOB, etc.
Bonus - that may have been the best the defense has played all year without getting a turnover
I know this whole thread is tongue in cheek, but he was injured on the play and had to be helped off the field, come on.
Related stat lifted from PP:
“54 times this season a team has allowed 10 points or less. Those teams are a combined 51-3.
The Pats are 1-3. Everyone else is 50-0.”
Remember when the addition of Klemm and BoB was supposed to be worth a few wins on its own? Ugh
Honestly that injury/fumble changed the game. It was looking like the Pats were going to run for 200+ yards.
Don’t give Mac any challenges, because that’s the sort of occasion he could totally rise to.
I know it is better at this point that they lose, but I just can’t get into this. It sucks and is depressing how bad they are. All franchises have down years and we were spoiled not to have one for 20 years or so, but I never thought we’d see a BB coached team look this bad.
They need so much more than just a QB, plus there’s no reason to have confidence that this front office won’t fuck up what will be the most important draft for this team in decades.
This team isn’t just bad it is boring, poorly coached and devoid of talent on offense. Yay, we might get the #2 pick.
They need so much more than just a QB, plus there’s no reason to have confidence that this front office won’t fuck up what will be the most important draft for this team in decades.
This team isn’t just bad it is boring, poorly coached and devoid of talent on offense. Yay, we might get the #2 pick.
Zero question in my mind that the 2024 draft is the most important one in franchise history. They absolutely, positively, 100% need to not screw it up. They HAVE to get it right. I think there's many ways they could get it right, and a lot more ways they could get it wrong, but when you end up with the kind of draft slot they'll have, they have have HAVE to get it right.
I think 1993 has that title given the state of the franchise at that time, they were a total joke, played in a stadium that might passed for a top Texas high school football stadium, m and at threat of relocation. This sucks, but it isn’t in the same ballpark.
Agreed. Calling the 2024 draft the most important in the last 30 years of the franchise is dramatic enough, I think.
Honestly, I only mentioned it because it made me feel better to remind myself that this is a minor speed bump in comparison to what was/could be.
I said it was the most important draft for the team in decades which I think is true. The last one this important was the 2001 draft. BB was coming off a 5-11 season and there was no reason to think they were about to embark on a historic run. It’s the most important draft they’ve had since at least then.
The importance of this draft depends on how you view the upcoming draft class. If they take a QB and whiff or sit him for a year, BB or not in charge, I could certainly see them drafting near the top again the following year. This year isn't some "they're lucky to be dropping these games," this is a moribund franchise with no identifiable pathway to putting points on the board.
You've already lost some time here for posting the same shit over and over. And upon your return, you decide to post the same shit over and over?
Lose just wrote the exact same sentiment above. The fact that they could be drafting near the top in 2025 is a legitimate observation. I'm sorry, is it the tone?
I said nothing about “moribund”, I’d have to look that up. I just disagreed that whiffing on a top draft pick is fatal, I think it just pushes them back a year, while they can hopefully pick up some decent other players in the meantime.
The idea that this is a moribund franchise is bizarre to me. If you ignore QB and one true offensive weapon (just for argument sake), and Gonzalez/Judon are healthy, is there really a significant gap in talent between the the Pats roster spots 3-53 and those of playoff contenders like Houston, Indy, Denver, Jacksonville or Cleveland? Sure some of those teams are a bit better (Cleveland) but it’s not the chasm a lot of people seem to be suggesting
a franchise QB and a good (not even elite) WR and health on D and this team is in the playoff mix. Not on Philly or SF’s level. Not on the same level as Dallas and Miami either. But a solid enough team that can get into the playoffs? Yeah I’d say so.
Of course, that applies to a lot of teams. But a franchise QB moves the needle a lot. Houston had a garbage roster last year and they’re in the mix this year thanks to nailing their franchise QB and adding a quality (not elite) weapon in Dell. Anderson has been good too of course but their resurgence has been because their offense has gone from putrid to very good.
there have been very few rosters across the league the past 20 years which have been truly moribund 3+ year rebuild projects. There is way too much parity in the league and most teams are “only” a franchise QB and one or two other guys away from being in the mix.
not saying it’s easy to find the missing pieces. But the talent level outside of QB and top of WR depth chart isn’t awful. It’s average, maybe a little above average on defense. Put a Stroud and Dell on this team and they probably have 6-7 wins with a real shot at the wild card, especially if Judon and Gonzalez (or one of them) was healthy.
no roster is going to look good with bottom of the league QB play and arguably their two best defensive players out for the year.
a franchise QB and a good (not even elite) WR and health on D and this team is in the playoff mix. Not on Philly or SF’s level. Not on the same level as Dallas and Miami either. But a solid enough team that can get into the playoffs? Yeah I’d say so.
Of course, that applies to a lot of teams. But a franchise QB moves the needle a lot. Houston had a garbage roster last year and they’re in the mix this year thanks to nailing their franchise QB and adding a quality (not elite) weapon in Dell. Anderson has been good too of course but their resurgence has been because their offense has gone from putrid to very good.
there have been very few rosters across the league the past 20 years which have been truly moribund 3+ year rebuild projects. There is way too much parity in the league and most teams are “only” a franchise QB and one or two other guys away from being in the mix.
not saying it’s easy to find the missing pieces. But the talent level outside of QB and top of WR depth chart isn’t awful. It’s average, maybe a little above average on defense. Put a Stroud and Dell on this team and they probably have 6-7 wins with a real shot at the wild card, especially if Judon and Gonzalez (or one of them) was healthy.
no roster is going to look good with bottom of the league QB play and arguably their two best defensive players out for the year.
Forget I used the term "moribund." I was referring entirely to the offense. And per the bold, this is wrong. It's bad at all depth levels. A great QB and a top -flight WR helps every team. This team is broken in the way it scouts, develops, game plans and executes that entire side of the ball. Special teams is also broken, but that's another discussion.
this team wasted practice time to put in a package for Cunningham and then never used him? Maybe the package was only if Pats were getting blown out, but still...
Also, the offense obviously blows, but I don't know what BoB can call to help them.