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That certainly would be a pivot….
I don't believe Dame gets here without including White and Brogdon to match. It also would probably kill the idea of Grant sticking around. I want no part of Dame, I think the team is better off as it now than with what they would have to give up to get him

edit:I'm worng, missed Brown being dealt
 
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That certainly would be a pivot….
How do you make the salary match and keep those guys.

Seems they would have to trade at least Brogdon, and White. OR BRown

i guess you could do Brogdon, Timelord, Pritchet, Kornett, and Hauser. That worked in the trade machine, but needed all of them
 

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How do you make the salary match and keep those guys.

Seems they would have to trade at least Brogdon, and White. OR BRown

i guess you could do Brogdon, Timelord, Pritchet, Kornett, and Hauser
OP was clearly assuming they trade Brown and Brogdon, which works.
 

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OP was clearly assuming they trade Brown and Brogdon, which works.

OK, my bad. I can't imagine they trade Brown, unless he has told them to get me the **** out of here. Especially not for Dame.


I guess Obi toppin to Indy for 2 future seconds. Indy is having a nice offseason
 

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All of this depends on the health of lebron and Anthony Davis. Deep doesnt mean shit if your stars get injured.
Get ready for a million takes like this, all conveniently ignoring that it was a minor miracle that LeBron and AD were healthy and available for the last 3 months of the season. I think they've done as well as can be expected.
 

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OK, my bad. I can't imagine they trade Brown, unless he has told them to get me the **** out of here. Especially not for Dame.
Yeah I’m assuming Brown for sure, can’t imagine any other way.

Super unlikely just a thought given no Brown news and someone talked about Tatum pitching Dame.

Risky decision to be sure though admittedly I kinda love that team for 2023-2024.
 

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Well the speculation stems from no extension in 15 hours since it was possible.
This is likely just us being too online during this time period but there is some logic at work here for all sides. If Brown has indicated he doesn't really want to stay longterm and is ok with PDX (this is the part that makes this whole thing fall apart), you really cannot do better than a Lillard return for the Tatum-window. You just cannot imo. And they keep him away from Miami which is also a win.

The C's probably aren't in this and Dame to Miami may well already be done. Just like the Reaves returning to the LAL.
 

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I am probably the board's biggest Dame skeptic
However after consideration if Jaylen signing the extension is not happening, it's a smart move. Dame’s fit with White is a bit iffy, but Porzingis fit is great, having 3 strong front court defenders helps mitigate his shortcomings and he fixes a lot of offensive issues. Probably the clear title favorite for a 2-3 year window
 

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Dame/Sharpe for Brown/Brogdon works in the trade machine

Simons
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Brown
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Nurkic

Thybulle/Scoot/Little

Makes them more competitive, a playoff team
No chance we get Sharpe. I assume Brogdon would go to a 3rd team we would take a mediocre player back they don't want and a pick or young player goes to POR.

Edit in a 2 team deal maybe we get Little if POR regrets that contract.

Jaylen is worth less than Dame honestly with no ability to extend
 

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I am probably the board's biggest Dame skeptic
However after consideration if Jaylen signing the extension is not happening, it's a smart move. Dame’s fit with White is a bit iffy, but Porzingis fit is great, having 3 strong front court defenders helps mitigate his shortcomings and he fixes a lot of offensive issues. Probably the clear title favorite for a 2-3 year window
They'd also keep all/most picks, and be able to retool around Tatum after Dame was done.

It's not crazy.
 

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No chance we get Sharpe. I assume Brogdon would go to a 3rd team we would take a mediocre player back they don't want and a pick or young player goes to POR.

Edit in a 2 team deal maybe we get Little if POR regrets that contract.

Jaylen is worth less than Dame honestly with no ability to extend
Cool. They can have Tyler Herros expensive deal.

Brad & Co have exceeded this Boards trade suggestions 10 different times over the last 2 years.

Whatever we come up with, Brad will surpass it
 

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Jaylen is worth less than Dame honestly with no ability to extend
Yeah, this is the big issue. I really can’t see Brown agreeing to extend in Portland, so the only way this works if he agrees to extend elsewhere and that third team gives assets to Portland. You might need a 4th team for Brogdon, too.
 

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Yeah, this is the big issue. I really can’t see Brown agreeing to extend in Portland, so the only way this works if he agrees to extend elsewhere and that third team gives assets to Portland. You might need a 4th team for Brogdon, too.
He won't extend anywhere, it would force him to take less than the regular max. He's either extending in Boston or becoming an unrestricted free agent
 

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He won't extend anywhere, it would force him to take less than the regular max. He's either extending in Boston or becoming an unrestricted free agent
Oh I thought he could get the max, just not the Supermax. How far below the max would he have to go?
 

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The Lakers have re-signed some role players (Reeves, Hachimura, Russell, Vanderbilt), and swapped out some bench pieces (Schroeder for Vincent, Beasley for Reddish, Bamba for Hayes). Their biggest add is Prince, but Walker (who had some huge games for them against GS) might be gone. Is that it? Add in another year on the tires for Lebron and AD, and this feels like a wash for them.
 

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Yeah, this is the big issue. I really can’t see Brown agreeing to extend in Portland, so the only way this works if he agrees to extend elsewhere and that third team gives assets to Portland. You might need a 4th team for Brogdon, too.
If Brooklyn is really big game hunting, you could get Brown to Brooklyn, Bridges to Portland. There would be a lot more pieces obviously but that would get Brown to a desirable market.
 

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The Lakers have re-signed some role players (Reeves, Hachimura, Russell, Vanderbilt), and swapped out some bench pieces (Schroeder for Vincent, Beasley for Reddish, Bamba for Hayes). Their biggest add is Prince, but Walker (who had some huge games for them against GS) might be gone. Is that it? Add in another year on the tires for Lebron and AD, and this feels like a wash for them.
Yeah I don’t get the Laker love by some in the media. The best thing they did was get Reeves on a reasonable contract.

Unless people are particularly high on Vincent, Reddish, or Hayes (not sure why you would be), it doesn’t seem like a very exciting off-season to me.
 

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I don't know why anyone would feel confident in thinking one way or the other for where Brown would want to be
This is correct but its probably safe to say that Portland isn't high on the list of destinations for NBA players even though their fanbase/community support may be some the best in the league. Its not hard to see why Brown or any other top players may see locking up there as a competitive dead end.

But you are right. We simply don't have a clue how Brown might view the Blazers/Portland.
 

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Multiple sources are reporting that the Celtics have met with former Toronto Raptors point guard Dalano Banton, who is an unrestricted free agent. Could be an interesting pickup as he has always seemed like a guy with some upside (as a 6ft 9 PG). That said, he’d probably be best served finding a team that can give him more floor time to develop his game..
 

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Yeah I don’t get the Laker love by some in the media. The best thing they did was get Reeves on a reasonable contract.

Unless people are particularly high on Vincent, Reddish, or Hayes (not sure why you would be), it doesn’t seem like a very exciting off-season to me.
All of the guys they got are better than the guys they replaced. Bobby Marks called their FA period "an A+." But as everyone in the thread has said, assuming that LBJ and AD make it to the playoffs healthy is a major if.

Multiple sources are reporting that the Celtics have met with former Toronto Raptors point guard Dalano Banton, who is an unrestricted free agent. Could be an interesting pickup as he has always seemed like a guy with some upside (as a 6ft 9 PG). That said, he’d probably be best served finding a team that can give him more floor time to develop his game..
I generally like the idea of signing guys who might be underrated or have room to develop, but as the Warriors showed, it can be hard to find time for the young guys to develop when you are a "win now" team.
 

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If PDX takes
Tyler Herro @ $130MM/4yrs
Duncan Robinson @ $57.5MM/3yrs
+ Firsts in 2027/29

That basically guarantees no playoffs for numerous years

GMs usually like to keep their jobs, Cronin would never survive (neither would Chauncey)

Portland may feel obligated to make Dame happy & be willing to tank for 3-4yrs. IDK

Meanwhile, a Jaylen/Brogdon deal, would make them playoff ready this season
Brown, Simons, Brogdon, Grant, Nurkic with Thybulle, Scoot, Little coming off the bench

I actually doubt Brad would move Brown for Dame, with his recent injury history
 

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All of the guys they got are better than the guys they replaced. Bobby Marks called their FA period "an A+." But as everyone in the thread has said, assuming that LBJ and AD make it to the playoffs healthy is a major if.



I generally like the idea of signing guys who might be underrated or have room to develop, but as the Warriors showed, it can be hard to find time for the young guys to develop when you are a "win now" team.
Sure, but the improvement is pretty marginal. Theres not a lot of championship equity in slight bench player upgrades. Especially when you look at a team like LA that is imo one star short.
 

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All of the guys they got are better than the guys they replaced. Bobby Marks called their FA period "an A+." But as everyone in the thread has said, assuming that LBJ and AD make it to the playoffs healthy is a major if.



I generally like the idea of signing guys who might be underrated or have room to develop, but as the Warriors showed, it can be hard to find time for the young guys to develop when you are a "win now" team.
The Lakers are dramatically better than they were a year ago at this time. they are a bit better than they were when swept by Denver. they are also better prepared to make a trade deadline deal if they need to try and add someone who might help make them even better. I still think if they face the Nuggets in a series they lose in 4/5, but honestly so much of sports at this point is who is healthy when the playoffs happen. And clearly with the Lakers no matter what they do, any playoff success is 100% of LBJ and AD
 

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The Lakers are dramatically better than they were a year ago at this time. they are a bit better than they were when swept by Denver. they are also better prepared to make a trade deadline deal if they need to try and add someone who might help make them even better. I still think if they face the Nuggets in a series they lose in 4/5, but honestly so much of sports at this point is who is healthy when the playoffs happen. And clearly with the Lakers no matter what they do, any playoff success is 100% of LBJ and AD
So they've gone from sweep to possible sweep / gentleman's sweep?
 

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I hate the Lakers

BUT Austin Reaves is a very good signing. 4yrs at that money is dirt cheap. I like that deal 100X more than the Strus deal (who got more $$$ + cost assets). The power of RFA.

San Antonio, freaking useless gits, should have driven Austin up to $20MM/yr (which LAL would have matched)

LAL will be WC contenders. RWB was addition by subtraction
 

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I hate the Lakers

BUT Austin Reaves is a very good signing. 4yrs at that money is dirt cheap. I like that deal 100X more than the Strus deal (who got more $$$ + cost assets). The power of RFA.

San Antonio, freaking useless gits, should have driven Austin up to $20MM/yr (which LAL would have matched)
Didn’t want to tie up space through the 6th for no reason
 

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All of the guys they got are better than the guys they replaced. Bobby Marks called their FA period "an A+." But as everyone in the thread has said, assuming that LBJ and AD make it to the playoffs healthy is a major if.
I really don't think that this is a given. Vincent is a couple years younger and a slightly better shooter than Schroder, but the latter is a far better scorer and playmaker, and they're a wash defensively. Beasley is pretty one dimensional, but that one dimension (shooting) is far better than anything Cam Reddish has. I guess Reddish still has size and some potential, but it's for good reason that he's on his 4th team in 3 years. Hayes is Bamba, just slightly smaller and a worse shooter, and one year younger.

Prince over Walker is the one clear improvement, but as slamminsammya noted, it's marginal upgrade for a bench player. Not exactly going from Pritchard to Brogdon, as Boston did last year (and Walker was good enough to win them a game or two in the 2nd round this spring). It's a really nice contract they have Reeves on, but I think it's balanced out by spending 3/51 on Hachimura, who was worth nowhere near that based on his regular season performance throughout his career. Retaining DAR is something that absolutely 0 Lakers fans are excited about. The best thing for them (other than keeping Reeves) is that they've got a nice list of mid-range contracts to send to Dallas for Kyrie, when the time comes.
 

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Or... One of the two guys on the Nuggets who have massive injury histories get hurt?

Lakers are a contender, that's basically all you hope for
As fun as it is to poke holes in their moves so far, this is basically it. They've done as good a job as could reasonably be expected, assuming they were never going to move Davis. They are currently 7th in the NBA title odds, which feels fair.
 

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That certainly would be a pivot….
That would be a seriously bad defensive backcourt. White absolutely struggles against larger players (and at 6'3" 180 it's little wonder). Relying on him to defend bigger Gs is taking away all his strengths.
 

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Yeah, this is the big issue. I really can’t see Brown agreeing to extend in Portland, so the only way this works if he agrees to extend elsewhere and that third team gives assets to Portland. You might need a 4th team for Brogdon, too.
People keep saying this about Portland and Oklahoma City and players continue to extend in both places. And for a simple reason. It's like playing for a college team. As single team towns the fans are extremely welcoming. It's the polar opposite of places like NYC which can be pretty unforgiving. Also, may I say that this is the 30th location I've seen the "Jaylen would never re-sign there!!!" declaration used with. Since Jaylen, apparently, isn't re-signing with any NBA franchise, what Euroleague team are you expecting him to sign with?
 

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That would be a seriously bad defensive backcourt. White absolutely struggles against larger players (and at 6'3" 180 it's little wonder). Relying on him to defend bigger Gs is taking away all his strengths.
It would be a bad defensive team period.
 

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DAME had the 2nd best year of his career last year (at least offensively), which I didn't fully realize until he demanded a trade.

I still don't think it's a great fit with the Celtics, though. If we're moving Brown I feel like we need to be getting back at least 1 or 2 decent wings.
 

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If PDX takes
Tyler Herro @ $130MM/4yrs
Duncan Robinson @ $57.5MM/3yrs
+ Firsts in 2027/29

That basically guarantees no playoffs for numerous years

GMs usually like to keep their jobs, Cronin would never survive (neither would Chauncey)

Portland may feel obligated to make Dame happy & be willing to tank for 3-4yrs. IDK

Meanwhile, a Jaylen/Brogdon deal, would make them playoff ready this season
Brown, Simons, Brogdon, Grant, Nurkic with Thybulle, Scoot, Little coming off the bench

I actually doubt Brad would move Brown for Dame, with his recent injury history
I am guessing he goes to Brooklyn or the Knicks.

Dame will be satisfied with either even though it’s not his preferred destination and Cronin can talk about all of the picks and young players that he got back.

I can’t imagine the Blazers want to completely burn Dame and send him somewhere where he has no interest in playing but I highly doubt they want to completely kowtow to him either (which is what the Miami trade would be)
 

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People keep saying this about Portland and Oklahoma City and players continue to extend in both places. And for a simple reason. It's like playing for a college team. As single team towns the fans are extremely welcoming. It's the polar opposite of places like NYC which can be pretty unforgiving. Also, may I say that this is the 30th location I've seen the "Jaylen would never re-sign there!!!" declaration used with. Since Jaylen, apparently, isn't re-signing with any NBA franchise, what Euroleague team are you expecting him to sign with?
Really, who is the player who has ever signed beyond the rookie extension in OKC? Who is the major free agent who has ever agreed to go to OKC. We have seen many who have been unwilling to stay.

Maybe in a few years they will be able to convince SGA and he will be the first, but by then they are likely to be strong championship contenders, and looking like they will be for the following 4-5 years

Jalen comes across as a big city guy. Maybe he would like Portland, it does perhaps fit his politics well
 

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People keep saying this about Portland and Oklahoma City and players continue to extend in both places. And for a simple reason. It's like playing for a college team. As single team towns the fans are extremely welcoming. It's the polar opposite of places like NYC which can be pretty unforgiving. Also, may I say that this is the 30th location I've seen the "Jaylen would never re-sign there!!!" declaration used with. Since Jaylen, apparently, isn't re-signing with any NBA franchise, what Euroleague team are you expecting him to sign with?
LOL

Sounds like Dwight Howard had a ball in Taiwan