Isaiah wanted a brinks truck too. It's nice to want things. I have a hard time finding a team under the cap willing to go over the MLE for Marcus Smart. He's going to have the $8m MLE from multiple teams but we've seen players not return to their old organization due to feeling as if they are being screwed over even if they want them at that price of 4/$32m (or whatever the MLE will be)......which I'm not convinced that Ainge truly does.Further down in that article is note he wanted $20 million last year.
Wait him out and he’ll want $8 million.
Smart won’t sign any of those offers, so it would be for Ainge to decide whether there’s common ground above the MLE or if he just wants Smart at his 6 million next season. If Smart signed something like 4/32, Danny would instamatch.Isaiah wanted a brinks truck too. It's nice to want things. I have a hard time finding a team under the cap willing to go over the MLE for Marcus Smart. He's going to have the $8m MLE from multiple teams but we've seen players not return to their old organization due to feeling as if they are being screwed over even if they want them at that price of 4/$32m (or whatever the MLE will be)......which I'm not convinced that Ainge truly does.
The current injury has nothing to do with the punching the mirror, I thought?Smart won’t sign any of those offers, so it would be for Ainge to decide whether there’s common ground above the MLE or if he just wants Smart at his 6 million next season. If Smart signed something like 4/32, Danny would instamatch.
Actually, it’s possible, if there’s a supertrade for a stud, that Smart might get a one year raise for a salary match if he doesn’t get a signable offer elsewhere.
One final thing - Smart might not want to use his hand as an excuse. Reminding people of his idiocy won’t increase his value.
It doesn't.The current injury has nothing to do with the punching the mirror, I thought?
But yea, having his hand in the news doesn't do him any favors.
The MLE for this year was 4 years, $36.14M (including the maximum 5% annual increase).Isaiah wanted a brinks truck too. It's nice to want things. I have a hard time finding a team under the cap willing to go over the MLE for Marcus Smart. He's going to have the $8m MLE from multiple teams but we've seen players not return to their old organization due to feeling as if they are being screwed over even if they want them at that price of 4/$32m (or whatever the MLE will be)......which I'm not convinced that Ainge truly does.
Yep.Has there ever been a player to say "you know, I have my flaws, I think I am only worth a minimum contract next year"? Of course he, or just about anyone, is going to inflate their worth. Complete non-issue in my mind
I'm not hating, because I've done it, but we had the $12-$14 million stuff like 8 posts above you.So..... Marcus thinks 12-14 million would be selling himself short....
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/05/29/celtics-marcus-smart-im-worth-more-than-12-14-million/
Smart is probably correct about his FA market value because teams will spend if they have that ability but there are only a small handful of teams able to pay it this summer. Stating these numbers publicly all but tells the fanbase that he isn't going to be returning here. His RFA status is pretty much irrelevant imo with teams knowing Ainge isn't going to match a big FA offer. If I had to guess I'd put the Nets at the top of the list.Has there ever been a player to say "you know, I have my flaws, I think I am only worth a minimum contract next year"? Of course he, or just about anyone, is going to inflate their worth. Complete non-issue in my mind
Letting Marcus shoot 10 threes a game seems like a decent way to make that happenThe Nets have openly talked about their desire to make a high lottery pick next year. They won’t be trying to put together a 36-38 win team.
Ryan Anderson says hiTo be brutally frank, I wouldn't be shocked to see LBJ do the Chris Paul thing (pick up his option as part of a trade to his desired location) and Brooklyn act as the facilitator by eating the bad deal.
Yeah, that's who I was thinking of, he fits into the Nets' open space (presuming they renounce Stauskas and Okafor) and they could pick up a first round pick or three for facilitating. A trade something along the lines of a re-signed Clint Capela to Cleveland, Anderson and future firsts to Brooklyn, and James to Houston.Ryan Anderson says hi
Since Sean Marks took over he has attempted to use his cap space in signing the following RFA to offer sheets.I know the Marcus hatred is real, but he really does help teams win. He's a great defensive captain, and if this were the summer of 2020, I'm sure Brooklyn would be all in. But this summer they'll be looking to continue doing what they've done since the firing of Billy King. They'll use the cap space they have to accumulate more draft picks in hopes of striking gold (a la Chicago with Jimmy Butler).
The Nets can only control their actions.....which is to aggressively attempt to spend on FA. What is relevant is that they have made these offers to RFA and Marcus Smart is one of the better RFA available this summer.I think the relevant number is zero major free agent signings and four major cap clearing trades for other teams. And they've been openly discussing their plans for a high draft pick next year. So I expect more use of the limited cap space for the purposes that they have been using it.
Given the predicament created by the predecessor regime, Marks has used the only tools at his disposal to acquire assets/talent. Unlike most bad teams they don't have access to high draft picks. Like most bad teams they are not an attractive destination for difference making free agents. So what's left? 1. Taking on bad contracts into cap space in exchange for picks or young talent. 2. Leveraging cap space and the limited market for RFAs, by signing them to pricey offer sheets. It seems weird to assume that Marks is going to rely on these flawed tools, when easiest path to acquiring transcendent talent is now finally open to him: be bad and get a high draft pick. In light of the new lottery rules, the Nets don't have to tank as aggressively as some teams in recent memory. But one would assume Lin and Carroll, as expiring contracts who can still play, will get shipped out.The Nets can only control their actions.....which is to aggressively attempt to spend on FA. What is relevant is that they have made these offers to RFA and Marcus Smart is one of the better RFA available this summer.
Unless Marks dumps the players he has already acquired that tanking ship has long since sailed. They are competing to win games now.....again, unless they dump all the guys who have made them competitive they are going to be closer to competing for the 8-seed than for the #1 pick.Given the predicament created by the predecessor regime, Marks has used the only tools at his disposal to acquire assets/talent. Unlike most bad teams they don't have access to high draft picks. Like most bad teams they are not an attractive destination for difference making free agents. So what's left? 1. Taking on bad contracts into cap space in exchange for picks or young talent. 2. Leveraging cap space and the limited market for RFAs, by signing them to pricey offer sheets. It seems weird to assume that Marks is going to rely on these flawed tools, when easiest path to acquiring transcendent talent is now finally open to him: be bad and get a high draft pick. In light of the new lottery rules, the Nets don't have to tank as aggressively as some teams in recent memory. But one would assume Lin and Carroll, as expiring contracts who can still play, will get shipped out.
While I agree with this he'd be a nice piece to the Nets in establishing a defensive culture with RHJ and Jarrett Allen.Marcus Smart is a nice player, but he is not going to change the win totals of many teams by much, if at all.
I'd be surprised if the Nets were in on Smart. They already have D'Angelo, Dinwiddie, Levert, Crabbe and Lin at the guard spots to try and find minutes for, think a sixth guy in that mix is too many and probably not worth it for them to move one of those guys to fit Smart in. I could see hem firing an offer sheet at Capela on day and forcing Houstons' hand and closing out some of Moreys' options.Smart is probably correct about his FA market value because teams will spend if they have that ability but there are only a small handful of teams able to pay it this summer. Stating these numbers publicly all but tells the fanbase that he isn't going to be returning here. His RFA status is pretty much irrelevant imo with teams knowing Ainge isn't going to match a big FA offer. If I had to guess I'd put the Nets at the top of the list.
Well you definitely want to pay that guy 12 million for four years.Marcus Smart is a nice player, but he is not going to change the win totals of many teams by much, if at all.
There is a market for many of those guys though. Now that the Nets have some actual assets who can play in this league I think this is Marks' first offseason where he has a chance to reshape the team to his desire.I'd be surprised if the Nets were in on Smart. They already have D'Angelo, Dinwiddie, Levert, Crabbe and Lin at the guard spots to try and find minutes for, think a sixth guy in that mix is too many and probably not worth it for them to move one of those guys to fit Smart in. I could see hem firing an offer sheet at Capela on day and forcing Houstons' hand and closing out some of Moreys' options.
Dinwiddie and Levert do, but those are probably the guys he'd like to keep.There is a market for many of those guys though. Now that the Nets have some actual assets who can play in this league I think this is Marks' first offseason where he has a chance to reshape the team to his desire.
There will never be consensus on Marcus.Well you definitely want to pay that guy 12 million for four years.
To point 1, that's how I see it as well. Like Brad told Danny, I'm not going to lose on purpose. Atkinson (and Marks) have that exact same philosophy.Unless Marks dumps the players he has already acquired that tanking ship has long since sailed. They are competing to win games now.....again, unless they dump all the guys who have made them competitive they are going to be closer to competing for the 8-seed than for the #1 pick.
While I agree with this he'd be a nice piece to the Nets in establishing a defensive culture with RHJ and Jarrett Allen.
With Horford on the court, the Celtics outscored opponents by a team-best 4.2 points per 100 possessions, and with Horford on the bench, the Celtics were outscored by a team-worst 9.7 points per 100 possessions. Tatum had a plus-3.7 net rating, and when he sat, that number plummeted to minus-8.6.
The Smart, Rozier, Tatum, and Horford numbers disnt surprise me. Jaylen’s did.The dip after those two was considerable, with the Celtics having a plus-2.6 rating with Marcus Smart on the court and minus-1.5 off of it. Interestingly, Jaylen Brown (plus-0.7 on, plus-0.2 off) and Terry Rozier (plus-0.6 on, plus-0.2 off) had much less of an impact via this important statistic.
Someone needs to tell the Nets that they're competing to win games now, they seem to think that they're finally playing for a high lottery pick.Unless Marks dumps the players he has already acquired that tanking ship has long since sailed. They are competing to win games now.....again, unless they dump all the guys who have made them competitive they are going to be closer to competing for the 8-seed than for the #1 pick.
Of course Atkinson isn't going to lose on purpose, he just doesn't have a lot of complete players and basketball's still a two way sport. So regardless he's going to lose a lot of games with his roster full of roleplayers. Especially as there will be fewer teams processing the shit out of the 2019 season in hopes of getting a high lottery pickTo point 1, that's how I see it as well. Like Brad told Danny, I'm not going to lose on purpose. Atkinson (and Marks) have that exact same philosophy.
They, literally, already have their Marcus Smart. Right down to his inability to shoot (Rondae Hollis-Jefferson). And, Jefferson, unlike Smart, plays a position of need for them (F). I mean, sure they could trade LaVert and Dinwiddie to open up playing time for Marcus, but why would they trade their best, youngest, and least expensive guards so that they can pay a sixth man $20 million per yer? Did I miss the re-hiring of Billy King?To point 2, I have been pushing that he Nets will make a play for Smart for a few reasons. Defensive intensity, because they make aggressive offers to RFA's who they have interest in and psychologically because, they'd be sticking it to Boston, the team who is making a living on chewing up and spitting out their previous GM. Would be nice for them and their fans to stick it to Boston. I can see the case for why Smart isn't a perfect fit for the Nets but if they're able to add him for nothing but $$, then they've added quite a bit of value to their organization.
.......and was injured in the process. Out 6-8 weeks.
I surmised a while back that he might sign the QO to position himself for next year and was laughed off. I still think that when his best multi-year offer is something like 4/$40, he takes the QO and rolls the dice on the possibility of hitting the market with a ring.This can't be shaping up the way Marcus had hoped. Any rumors on his market? Feels like he will likely be back on a short deal based on some of the other signings. Is there a suitor I could be missing?
Other option is to sign a shorter deal, but that takes away the effective no trade clause he gets by signing the QO. If I had to rank possibilities, I'd say 50% QO, 10% 14M+ offer, 30% 2 year deal or 1+1/2+1, and 10% a 4/40 type deal.I surmised a while back that he might sign the QO to position himself for next year and was laughed off. I still think that when his best multi-year offer is something like 4/$40, he takes the QO and rolls the dice on the possibility of hitting the market with a ring.
Dallas, New Jersey, Phoenix and the Pacers have used their cap space elsewhere. If he wants more than the MLE, that leaves Chicago and Atlanta. Atlanta just drafted a point guard and is tanking. So Chicago?This can't be shaping up the way Marcus had hoped. Any rumors on his market? Feels like he will likely be back on a short deal based on some of the other signings. Is there a suitor I could be missing?
Smart and Dunn would be a nightmare to play against.....but does the offense work? Even with markkanen shooting it well for a big?Dallas, New Jersey, Phoenix and the Pacers have used their cap space elsewhere. If he wants more than the MLE, that leaves Chicago and Atlanta. Atlanta just drafted a point guard and is tanking. So Chicago?
Indiana still can get to around 12M if they wanted to fire it all at Smart. They're probably the best fit left for him.Dallas, New Jersey, Phoenix and the Pacers have used their cap space elsewhere. If he wants more than the MLE, that leaves Chicago and Atlanta. Atlanta just drafted a point guard and is tanking. So Chicago?
I figure Chicago will bring back David Nwaba as a cheaper Smart versionDallas, New Jersey, Phoenix and the Pacers have used their cap space elsewhere. If he wants more than the MLE, that leaves Chicago and Atlanta. Atlanta just drafted a point guard and is tanking. So Chicago?
Didn't Smart scoff at the idea that he would sign for $12-14m and that he was worth more?Celtics need to retain Smart for the Finals match up with the Warriors. Give him four years $40 million, with a player option for the fourth year.
The problem with playing on a contract year is that his minutes will be reduced here with Hayward and Kyrie back along with Jaylen and Rozier.If Smart wants to hit UFA at the best time, a 2 year deal (or 1+player option) makes most sense. After 2020 us when all the stupid Evan Turner type contracts start coming off the books.
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/07/02/teams-remain-threats-sign-away-marcus-smart-celtics/The bottom line? The only teams that can offer Smart more than $10 million without moving some salary first is a very short list and point guard is not a major need for any of them. If the Celtics stay patient, the odds look more likely that they’ll be able to retain Smart at a team friendly number since the point guard’s options should only be further reduced in the days to come.
Whether it’s on a qualifying offer or a multi-year deal, count on Smart being back in Boston when all is said and done, barring a major upset.