What's the alternative though? Draft two guys then have to cut them and get nothing out of it? Couldn't even sell them for cash because of limits.The trade with the Clippers sucked. 2 seconds for a future first is fine, but if Clips melt down it becomes a 2022 second. Ugh.
^^Co-signed^^I never thought I'd vote "F" in something like this, and I'm obviously viewing things through analytics-heavy lenses (so maybe I'm missing a lot), but I can't see any positives here. This was a weak draft, and the Celtics were in a rough spot, but it seems like they really made the least of it.
How did Ainge misplay this? The market was for Dunn. When that market evaporated he got the guy he wanted in Brown. You may not like Brown which is fine but that doesn't play into the "Ainge misplayed his hand" narrative.^^Co-signed^^
Seems like Danny really misplayed his hand this year on a few fronts: first, in thinking that leverage (for the 3rd pick) would go up as we got closer to the draft. Seems like there were two teams that wanted Dunn, but neither was desperate. And second, getting stuck in this position (going into draft night with 8 picks), when he could have made other moves to consolidate (or move picks back a year) earlier in the week.
If Jaylen Brown turns into an all star, then that saves the entire draft, but just based on the value he got out of the picks...I'd give it a D- at best.
Danny potentially traded two good seconds in a deep draft for one second 6 years from now. If the Clips fall apart (possible), these picks were given away free. I'd rather have grabbed a pair of draft and stash Euros.What's the alternative though? Draft two guys then have to cut them and get nothing out of it? Couldn't even sell them for cash because of limits.
Are you sure that the market evaporated, or was it that Ainge was trying to get too much for his picks and all the potential suitors told him to go screw after being sufficiently frustrated? My feeling at the time of the #3 draft was the latter.How did Ainge misplay this? The market was for Dunn. When that market evaporated he got the guy he wanted in Brown.
What difference does it make though when he got his guy? Chicago was never trading Butler to us if the reports of their demands are to be believed, Phoenix was out of play once they couldn't complete a Bledsoe deal, New Orleans was the other team who loved Dunn but had little to offer. In the end the market was Philly with two big swinging dicks trying to get the best of the other with Colangelo looking to swindle Ainge with the Noel offer.Are you sure that the market evaporated, or was it that Ainge was trying to get too much for his picks and all the potential suitors told him to go screw after being sufficiently frustrated? My feeling at the time of the #3 draft was the latter.
I get why people think this, but how do we know that he would have been there at 23? Yes, all the mocks had him much lower, but did the guys writing the mocks all scout him the way NBA teams did? Or did they just look at Chad Ford's list and put him in the same spot, plus or minus 5 spaces just to look original? The mocks are not the gold standard, and once we get past the high lottery, whatever value they do have diminishes even more. I'm not saying he was the right pick. I am saying that if he's definitely the guy you want and you don't want to lose him, you pick him, no matter what Jay Bilas says. If the C's thought highly enough of him to pick him at 16, why can't the team at 17 (or a team that trades into that spot) think the same thing?drafted Yabusele too high.
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Cal's Jaylen Brown is an elite athlete who could be one of the best players in the draft -- if he develops a jump shot. I'm also a fan of the two international players the Celtics selected, Guerschon Yabusele and Ante Zizic.
So, based on talent alone, it was a solid night for the Celtics. The disappointing part comes in what didn't happen.
After a 48-win season, the plan was for the Celtics to take some of these picks, package them with players and future picks and bring back an All-Star to push the team into contention for an NBA championship. But despite lots of trade talks, nothing came together for the C's.
Boston got talent, but talent that might not be able to help the team any time soon.
I agreeFinally, I was super impressed with the Vertical's online draft show. I cut the cable TV chord earlier this month and didn't think I'd be able to "watch" the draft. Yahoo did a great job with it.
Thirded. Watched this didnt tune into ESPN once. It was fantastic. Mannix is one of the best. Cant believe the Cs get him for their local studio stuff.I agree
What about Gerald Green? I think he's the most similar past Celtic. Hopefully Brown can tap those talents faster than Green.I'm fine with Brown; he's a neat kid and he's really fun to watch. In all my time watching the Celtics, I can't remember them ever having a player quite like him (assuming he's not Kedrick Brown 2.0). I'm not too concerned about his shooting but I do about his court vision and feel for the game. You kind of either have those or you don't. Reminds me some of Wiggins, so we'll see.
I thought about Green, but he while he could jump through the roof, he was a skinny jump shooter here. Brown is stronger and more explosive.What about Gerald Green? I think he's the most similar past Celtic. Hopefully Brown can tap those talents faster than Green.
Isn't getting a pick that could or could not be a second rounder OK when the cost are picks that 100% are second rounders? In a draft where they already had made three picks in he first round and still had three more second round picks after they made the trade? If they had kept those picks and drafted Bentil and Jackson, nobody would have batted an eyelash. Instead, they got those guys and also maybe a pick in the middle of he first round in a few years. What's the downside? They miss out on drafting a couple of guys who wouldn't have made the team anyway?I think this was a decent draft with the worst part being the 31-35 deal for a lottery protected first that could end up being a second.
I'm not that high on it as that, but I know some places (Upside Motor is one) has Jackson in the top 10 of their big boards.Aaron Torres, a writer for Fox Sports, give Danny an A+, saying:
My goodness did Boston have a great night.
The Celtics used the third pick on arguably the third-best player in this draft (Brown), who also happens to fill an immediate need for them (wing scoring). Yabusele should be able to develop into a physical presence down low, and Zizic might be the second-best "true" international prospect in this draft behind only Dragan Bender. He'll need time, but could develop into a big-time rotation player.
What put Boston over the top, however, was adding two first-round-caliber talents (Jackson and Bentil) in the second round. Jackson specifically might be the steal of the draft, as an ultra-quick guard who averaged 18 points at Notre Dame and tested off the charts at the Combine.
I'm not sure how Danny Ainge did it, but he got five guys who could one day be rotation players in Boston.
And, on the other end of the spectrum ... Michael Lee of The VerticalAaron Torres, a writer for Fox Sports, give Danny an A+, saying:
My goodness did Boston have a great night.
The Celtics used the third pick on arguably the third-best player in this draft (Brown), who also happens to fill an immediate need for them (wing scoring). Yabusele should be able to develop into a physical presence down low, and Zizic might be the second-best "true" international prospect in this draft behind only Dragan Bender. He'll need time, but could develop into a big-time rotation player.
What put Boston over the top, however, was adding two first-round-caliber talents (Jackson and Bentil) in the second round. Jackson specifically might be the steal of the draft, as an ultra-quick guard who averaged 18 points at Notre Dame and tested off the charts at the Combine.
I'm not sure how Danny Ainge did it, but he got five guys who could one day be rotation players in Boston.