Haloti Ngata suspended 4 games
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"Tell me what this beastly drug is, hindering
You from playing ball!"
Quoth the Raven, "Adderall".
You from playing ball!"
Quoth the Raven, "Adderall".
Is speed really the best choice before playing an endurance sport? I get that it makes you feel like you can conquer the world, and I've definitely taken it before/during lifting comps, but it gets you winded much quicker. When ephedra, which had a similar effect on me at least, was around, I took some before a fight and was sucking wind by the second round. It can't be great for performance to have your resting heart rate be 90 bpm.
Marciano490 said:
The NFL doesn't disclose what drug the player tested positive for, so Adderall has become the go-to excuse. There's almost no chance that every single one of these guys was doing Adderall - they'd just rather cop to that than whatever steroid they were using.
Marciano490 said:
I think football is unique because you're probably on the field for 8 minutes or so per drive, then with timeouts you're probably off the field for 15 minutes and while you're on the field its short burst (a play is what 5-10 seconds) then rest, then short burst, etc. 'Rest' isnt standing still but its very different from say soccer.
wutang112878 said:
Football is also unique because each play for a lineman is akin to doing a 60 yard dash. Going from the set position into their explosion off the line and then spending 4-5 seconds battling through another player is fucking exhausting, especially for defensive linemen (opposed to offensive linemen who get a bit more relief on pass protection). Having a 12 play drive is like doing twelve 60 yard dashes in a span of 5 minutes. Tiring, but doable in the first quarter, miserable and very difficult by the fourth.
Marciano490 said:
Oh, it's still around. However, I concur re: its effects. I was playing baseball on the Cape Spring 2002, and remember taking it once or twice before practice. We ended up running wind sprints, and I was fine a few times through, but by the end my vision felt like it had a vignette applied.
I'm actually bummed by this, he has always been *THE* Raven I've enormously respected. I hope if in a few years we find out about what he actually took or has been taking that it is just Adderall. I always fantasized about what a defensive line would be with Ngata and Wilfork side by side anchoring the middle.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Its funny that this never gets mentioned when defenses get worn down in the later stages of the game and become easier to run on. The common explanation is something like the 'defense opens up, thats why you have to keep trying to run the ball'. When in actuality (ignoring game plan strategy) you probably want to be pass heavy early on to wear the defense down and then just become more run heavy once the defense is tired.
In general, its such a weird game to get in shape for and why the whole 'there is no way to get into game shape without playing' thing is really legit in football because you cant replicate a game. With the new rules limiting contact in practice you really cant simulate the explosion thats required on game day during the week without contact because there is so much force and energy that goes into the play post-contact. On Patriots All Access early in the season they had a portion on the improvements and the new training facilities during which they touched on some of their training regime. I'd be really curious as to what they do cardio-wise during the week to try to prepare the players for game day.
Defensive linemen also rotate a lot more than offensive linemen, who usually don't come out of the game.wutang112878 said:
jsinger121 said:
Not sure about this -- Ravens have 7 wins already and will face the Jags, @ Texans, and Browns after visiting Miami this Sunday.
That most likely gets them to 10-6. Baltimore is a top team in terms of DVOA and would be the toughest out if faced in the WC weekend. I don't think Ngata makes a huge difference when considering the quality (or lack thereof) of the opponents sans Miami.
SeoulSoxFan said:
They may get to 10 wins but they lose the tiebreaker to Cincinnati, San Diego. They split with Pittsburgh. However San Diego has a killer schedule down the stretch.
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Apparently the NFL can call out Ngata and other players if they are lying. Whether or not they would is questionable (re: Ginger Hammer's love of big punishment and hope that the controversy immediately goes away) and to be seen.
Valek123 said:
The Ravens generally seem to not to worry about problems among their players, whether it's PEDs or criminal behavior, so it's kind of hard for me to respect Ravens without suspecting there might be something untoward that they are hiding. I bet Justin Forsett removes the tags from mattresses and Jacoby Jones doesn't wait for the walk signal before crossing the street.
It's their problem-free... philosophy... Haloti Ngata!
singaporesoxfan said:
<Insert NFL Team & Fan base> are the worst! I can't even right now. *Shock and horror *Much disgust *Can't turn away #BadCarAccident.
Get off your high horse. These guys literally kill themselves in their profession. They can put whatever they want into their bodies.
When getting off your couch to get some cheese whiz from the fridge gives you heart palpitations, you shouldn't be judging what someone else does with theirs especially in the name of your entertainment.
(High and mighty voice) "I can't condone this behavior"...then turn off your fucking television.
*Squeals with Girlish Delight "I love big hits!!!" *Orgasm #LOLCleanupAIsle7
Oh but that's right. You won't.
A bit over the top no? Especially considering the team being discussed and their 2 Ray's (not of sunshine).
This was asked when the Chris Davis suspension took place but I don't believe an answer was given.
Is there something about Adderall that would mask steroid use? Just curious.
Yes, amphetamines help for endurance sports. They are a psychostimulant, so the benefits are largely central (i.e. you have greater motivation, you can concentrate for longer periods of time and process information more quickly). For infrequent doses, the peripheral side effects are mostly in water loss and cardiovascular. It shouldn't cause you to be winded. If you actually had shortness of breath from ephedra, you probably have an allergy, either to ephedra itself or some other compound in whatever it is that you took.Marciano490 said:
You may have had an irregular heartbeat, or some chest pain. You may also have had some mild dehydration if you were getting cramped because stimulants are diuretics. However, as long as you remain hydrated and don't have ADHD, they shouldn't make you more vulnerable to fatigue.
Most likely, the drug over-motivated you for the lifting comps, and you ended up expending more energy per lift than you would have otherwise.
That's probably due to the cardiovascular effects. The difficulty breathing cited in your link relates to an allergic reaction to ephedra.mt8thsw9th said:
It's unlikely. It might reduce the amount of time steroids/metabolites would be present in urine, but I'd be surprised if that amount was significant.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
On the other hand, it often increases the bioavaliability of other drugs; its often use as an adjunct with SSRIs for this reason. I have no idea if this is true for other performance enhacing drugs though.
Now that I'm thinking about it, ascorbic acid attenuates the effects of psychostimulants; specifically amphetamine-based psychostimulants. if these guys are drinking lots of vitamin-infused water, adderall probably doesn't do anything at all to them. I'd go with plausible cover story.
EF - bear with me here, because it's possible I know much less about how the body works than I thought.
My understanding is that ephedra works (burns fat) in part by increasing your resting heart rate. Anecdotally, at least, I felt like if I popped an ephedra and just sat in a chair my heart rate went up at least 20 bpm. So, if you're starting with an elevated heart rate and then doing intense aerobic activity, wouldn't that cut down on your 'wind' as it were? Maybe I was allergic, but I talked to a lot of athletes about this and we all agreed that you had to be careful with dosing and find the sweet spot between taking enough to get you jacked up and focused but not so much that you got out of breath 2 minutes into the round or 5 plays into the drive.
On the other hand, Adderall is great for strength training. Again, I don't know the science, but I feel like I've time I've taken it before a workout I've gotten a good 20-30 pounds on my main lifts.
My understanding is that ephedra works (burns fat) in part by increasing your resting heart rate. Anecdotally, at least, I felt like if I popped an ephedra and just sat in a chair my heart rate went up at least 20 bpm. So, if you're starting with an elevated heart rate and then doing intense aerobic activity, wouldn't that cut down on your 'wind' as it were? Maybe I was allergic, but I talked to a lot of athletes about this and we all agreed that you had to be careful with dosing and find the sweet spot between taking enough to get you jacked up and focused but not so much that you got out of breath 2 minutes into the round or 5 plays into the drive.
On the other hand, Adderall is great for strength training. Again, I don't know the science, but I feel like I've time I've taken it before a workout I've gotten a good 20-30 pounds on my main lifts.
You're right: stimulants are effective performance enhancers.Marciano490 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/health/nutrition/26best.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The article talks about how rowers' power output can be 3% higher on caffeine. That is huge for elite athletes.
Theres some stuff on biophysical mechanisms in the article but I wouldn't consider them conclusive. The athletic output studies however are convincing.
Marciano490 said:
The long and short of it is that these drugs are all amphetamines. Everything from decongestant (pseudoephedrine) to methamphetamine is in this class. Adderall is in fact just a brand name for amphetamine. The pharmacology is fairly complicated, but these drugs basically trigger your innate "fight or flight" response. All of these drugs will increase your heart rate, improve your focus, and cause your blood vessels to contract, causing these effects to varying degrees depending on (among other factors) their affinity for certain receptors.
The (athletic) performance enhancing benefits of these drugs are short lived, if they exist at all. People develop a rapid tolerance for these drugs. The risks are enormous (Steve Bechler).
Caffeine belongs to a different class of drugs and works by an entirely different mechanism.
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singaporesoxfan said:
Some of us appreciate you, Singapore. We get you. There's a safe place here for you.
One of the biggest "performancing-enhancing" uses of amphetamines/adderall in football would be for film study. Because it helps with motivation/focus/concentration so much, an eight hour film session would be much easier.
I don't know who the hell you are, but you're obviously an idiot. Who the hell keeps cheez whiz in the fridge?ColonelMustard said:
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Baltimore managed pretty well without the guy today. I didn't watch - how did Ravens interior front look?
Not quite as stout against the run but they were still able to get some push up the middle. Ravens are pretty deep along the front line. The guy they really miss is Jimmy Smith.