Hanley and the $4M Game

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We can all hope there's at least one GM who's willing to gamble on Sandoval having some more "serviceable" years on his contract. Since that would mean getting a better return, or at least eating a bit less money.

I disagree that Sandoval should be given starts in the field over any of the other options the Sox have, though. In all honesty, a Shaw/Rutledge platoon is likely to put up equivalent numbers to what reasonably might be projected for Panda at this point of his career, even if the Sox do want Moncada -- who is the clear future at 3B -- to spend some time in AAA for service time reasons, to work of plate approach, to improve his footwork, or whatever.

But who knows? I haven't seen Sandoval recently. Maybe he's worth giving another shot, if he's already shed the 50 lbs he needed to drop, so that he can simply work on strength and agility in the offseason, like other successful MLB players do.
Broken record here, but Sandoval can put the weight back on in no time, and he has every time that he's lost weight as a major leaguer. It's been, what, 4 cycles of that already? Also, if a person has an eating disorder, should it be treated like an alcohol or drug dependency? He obviously hasn't been able to control it on his own.
 

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Really? Especially if the Sox go deep in the playoffs, I expect Sandoval has seen his last game as a Red Sox. My magic 8-ball told me Panda + $$ for a reliever will happen this offseason, as well.

A bench of Holt, Young, Shaw, and Vazquez would be relatively cheap, very solid defensively, and able to cover any pinch-hitting duties that would be likely to arise, given how stacked the lineup looks to remain.
Wasn't that pretty much the bench everyone anticipated for this year back in spring training? Maybe Hannigan for Vaz, but Holt, Young, Shaw. Until Pablo broke and Rusney sucked.
 

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Hanley top 10 in OPS since making a change on June 22:

Hitting coach Chili Davis had Ramirez make a change to his batting stance, holding his hands higher so they didn't get in the way of his high leg kick.

http://m.redsox.mlb.com/news/article/200027358/hanley-ramirez-slugging-by-hitting-ball-in-air/

Since June 22: 239 PA .307/.381/.590 15 HR (+1 from yesterday vs. Pads)

Bref has updated numbers to be .304/.377/.594 since June 22nd...to be more precise including that game last night.

Hanley has been an elite hitter in that time. If even half of the increased success is due to Chili's new stance, then that really bodes well for Hanley going forward looking ahead to next year. If he can be closer to a .900 OPS guy vs low 800s, then that would obviously help take a little sting out of losing Papi's bat. It would be nice for him to continue to hit righties well too for the same reason. Papi's probably the best righty-masher in baseball.
 

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Wasn't that pretty much the bench everyone anticipated for this year back in spring training? Maybe Hannigan for Vaz, but Holt, Young, Shaw. Until Pablo broke and Rusney sucked.
Small point, Pablo lost the starting gig and was on the bench before he broke.
 

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Hanley top 10 in OPS since making a change on June 22:

Hitting coach Chili Davis had Ramirez make a change to his batting stance, holding his hands higher so they didn't get in the way of his high leg kick.

http://m.redsox.mlb.com/news/article/200027358/hanley-ramirez-slugging-by-hitting-ball-in-air/

Since June 22: 239 PA .307/.381/.590 15 HR (+1 from yesterday vs. Pads)
His hands were getting in the way of his high leg kick? Trying to imagine that. Hands pretty low, kick pretty high, duh! Tried it. On low pitches, OK, I can see it. Happy to hear things like this and Bannister's work with Buchholz.
 

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What?!?!! Hanley only has 24 HR's this season? I guess this is the "what have you done lately" bias... but I was expecting it to be up around 30+
 

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Like I said.... Bias of the recent production....
I know he's been knocking the living shit out of the ball, and it's hard to believe that he's had almost half his HR production in the last few weeks. Hot streaks aside, this has been crazy. As hot as he's been it's something to note that he only had 15 not all that long ago.
Not a complaint!
 

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If I am not mistaken he has the three longest homers on the Sox this year. The one in Tornonto, was a monster shot. Way back I saw Fred McGriff hit on up here and the season ticket holders around me were losing there minds because "nobody ever hits one up there".
 

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Hanley's HRs by month:
Apr - 1
May - 3
Jun - 4
Jul - 5 (all after ASB)
Aug - 6
Sep - 5 in 10gms with 17 remaining
Oct - ???

Will he increase his total every month?
 

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Kudos to Hanley for taking the adjustment Chili gave him with his hands and running (swinging) with it. He was mashing LHP all year, but with his issues vs. RHP, I thought either his shoulder had weakened from last year's injury, or his swing was slowing down. But, yay!
 

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Not exactly. We thought he'd be temperamental and he's been anything but this year. Pete Abraham's piece talked about the Angels game and how he was right there talking to the media after his error cost them the game. Not the the guy we thought he was. Better.

Will he push his way to the front of the line in the second half, and become a stretch-run god? His career shows a subtle but definite pattern of getting better with each month after May, with his best offense coming in September (.918).
Thanks, Savin! Hanley has been particularly valuable to the Sox at a time when their younger guys seem to be running out of steam.
 

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Chili Davis has saved Hanley's career. He's also made tremendous strides with JBJ, Mookie, Leon, Xander and the rest of the lineup. Chili Davis deserves some type of award.
 

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The biggest pleasant surprise for me has been Hanley's hustle down the line on ground balls. He's busting ass to try to beat out throws which is something he failed to do earlier in his career. He seems to be playing loose and having fun. Good on him.
 

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It's funny. Hanley is older than all pitchers but Ziegler and Koji, all regulars except Papi and Pedey (by 4 months) and all others on the roster except Hanigan, Hill and Young (by 3 months) and yet I still think of him as part of the 'youth movement'. Either it's his positive and playful disposition or it's because his history of being a top prospect in the system means that in my mind he's finally made it up to the big club just last year. Or it's because I'm getting old and 34 is still pretty darn young...
 

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Chili Davis has saved Hanley's career. He's also made tremendous strides with JBJ, Mookie, Leon, Xander and the rest of the lineup. Chili Davis deserves some type of award.
He probably wouldn't object to a bonus, which he richly deserves.
 

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It's funny. Hanley is older than all pitchers but Ziegler and Koji, all regulars except Papi and Pedey (by 4 months) and all others on the roster except Hanigan, Hill and Young (by 3 months) and yet I still think of him as part of the 'youth movement'. Either it's his positive and playful disposition or it's because his history of being a top prospect in the system means that in my mind he's finally made it up to the big club just last year. Or it's because I'm getting old and 34 is still pretty darn young...
He's 32
 

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Now 20 HR since June 22nd. He's been an elite power hitter for nearly half the season now. Actually an elite hitter in general since he's hitting for average in that time too.
 

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I'm sure Chili Davis and his tutelage has played a big role, but I imagine it is also returning strength/health in his shoulder that is making a difference for Hanley as well. Hanley this year is somewhat reminiscent of Ortiz in 2009, even though they were dealing with injuries to different parts of the arm (wrist for Ortiz, shoulder for Hanley).

Ortiz got off to a slow start that year, not getting his first HR until mid-May and didn't get his second until early June. By the end of the year, he had 28 and looked like the powerful Ortiz of old. Hanley has had a similar ramp up this year coming off the shoulder injury. It's great to see.
 

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Hanley this year is reminiscent of Hanley 2015 before he hurt his shoulder. He had a .999 OPS in April and hurt his shoulder the first week of May.
 

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Hanley this year is reminiscent of Hanley 2015 before he hurt his shoulder. He had a .999 OPS in April and hurt his shoulder the first week of May.
Hanley was our best hitter before he hurt his shoulder in early May last year. He was rounding back into form again in early July and then he got hurt again. The remainder of the year was painful. (To Hanley, to us, and to pitchers every time a fly ball went to left.)

I guess I've always believed that Hanley was an elite hitter, and I wanted the left field experiment to go well. I could not be more pleased that Hanley appears to have found a spot that works defensively while at the same time becoming the hitter he has always been in his career.

Maybe I'm the outlier, but I never gave much credence to the idea that he would be a clubhouse problem. That tends to be a sportswriter meme for when they are lining up a prefabricated excuse ahead of potential performance issues.
 

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Hanley and Ortiz are reportedly very close, Hanley sees him as an older brother-like figure. That likely keeps the clubhouse harmonious.

Hanley is also far more comfortable at first base, which probably allows him to play up to his full abilities a bit easier. And of course he's not dealing with an injured shoulder this year.
 

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I have now almost forgiven Chili Davis for ruining Pedro's perfect game at the toilet.
This is this. That is that. Such perfect forgiveness is impossible for humans to achieve on this Earth.

But he and Victor Rodriguez truly have done a terrific job.
 

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I guess I've always believed that Hanley was an elite hitter, and I wanted the left field experiment to go well. I could not be more pleased that Hanley appears to have found a spot that works defensively while at the same time becoming the hitter he has always been in his career.
I was the opposite. Hanley was not the same player since he left Florida. His Dodger years really weren't impressive (certainly not elite)and I thought it was an odd signing.

A lot of people were expecting the Florida Ramirez and I just didn't see it. I see it now. He is having a great season.
 

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I really think stashing Hanley at first base has helped keep him healthier this season. It's a bonus that he has played the position fairly competently.

I imagine they'll mix him in more at DH next year with Papi gone and hopefully that will help him sustain excellence at the plate.
 

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There's also something nostalgic about having two of the big bats in the lineup be Ortiz and Ramirez. And this time without the 'Manny being Manny' garbage...
 

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Hanley had some monster playoff pushes in LA. His lifetime September OPS is .927 and rising. In 2013 Ramirez was the best player in the National League ... except he missed 75 games with injuries. He put up 5.4 and got MVP votes.

I was a little annoyed at Farrell for leaving him in the middle of the lineup if the first half while our bottom guys were crushing. I am no longer annoyed at that.
 

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I really think stashing Hanley at first base has helped keep him healthier this season. It's a bonus that he has played the position fairly competently.

I imagine they'll mix him in more at DH next year with Papi gone and hopefully that will help him sustain excellence at the plate.
I think this is the key behind most of the "improvements" we've seen this year. It's actually been a long time since there was any actual evidence of an attitude problem, assuming that it wasn't exaggerated to begin with. For example, the idea of him not trying hard enough last year can easily be explained away by him hurting and barely being able to stay on the field. That he seems happier can also be because he's feeling good physically. And of course, his performance at the plate is what we were hoping for when he was signed, also probably attributable to his health.
 
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I think this is the key behind most of the "improvements" we've seen this year. It's actually been a long time since there wa any actual evidence of an attitude problem, assuming that it wasn't exaggerated to begin with. For example, the idea of him not trying hard enough last year can easily be explained away by him hurting and barely being able to stay on the field. That he seems happier can also be because he's feeling good physically. And of course, his performance at the plate is what we were hoping for when he was signed, also probably contributable to his health.
Going from -1.8 last year to +1.9 and counting fWAR this year is a ridiculously huge jump. My hopes were that he'd be at least replacement level coming into the season.
 

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Wait, what? His slash line for his two seasons there was .308/.382/.525. What does it take to impress you?
Granted, I didn't see a ton of his Dodger games, but it seemed he had tailed off from his Marlin days and I didn't feel he was the player he once was. I was wrong.
 

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The attitude problem was a Cafardo invention. The reality is that Hanley just wasn't cut out for left field; getting hurt didn't help. Injuries matter, no matter what Cafardo claims.
 

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Going from -1.8 last year to +1.9 and counting fWAR this year is a ridiculously huge jump. My hopes were that he'd be at least replacement level coming into the season.
I won't belabor the point about single seasons of WAR again (though I will link to the article from the dot com in case you care to dig deeper), but I will point out that playing hurt likely had a huge impact on that 2015 figure.
 

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I saw a tweet last night/this morning that said something to the effect that Hanley has four 2 out, tie-breaking/go-ahead HRs this year at Fenway in late innings, the most any player has had in his home park in like 40 years. Did anyone see that? I wish I had grabbed it then.
 

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I saw a tweet last night/this morning that said something to the effect that Hanley has four 2 out, tie-breaking/go-ahead HRs this year at Fenway in late innings, the most any player has had in his home park in like 40 years. Did anyone see that? I wish I had grabbed it then.
I missed that, but I'm surprised Ortiz didn't have that many in any of his 2003-2006 seasons.
 

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I missed that, but I'm surprised Ortiz didn't have that many in any of his 2003-2006 seasons.
Trying to find it, but it was the first Sox come-from-behind walk-off HR against the Yankees since Bill Mueller in 2004, first walk-off HR since June 2014.
 

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Aka the "we don't throw at .260 hitters" game
Yes, everyone knows THAT one. :)

I was trying to find the tweet I referred to a little earlier---something about Hanley having more 2 out, come-from-behind late inning HRs at his home park than any player since 1974 or something.