Are you seriously wanting it to be a 5 year deal vs. a 4 year deal? With the risk involved, the 4 year deal is way more desirable. How is this even an argument?moondog80 said:
Hanley Ramirez signs with Red Sox. 4 years/$88 million(5th year option could make it 5/$110 million
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I was flipping stations, but:InsideTheParker said:
too much money, can't play LF esp in Fenway, will be part of a DH glut in a year or two.
He did however love the Sandoval signing, being a Giants guy and all......
ConigsCorner said:
Are you a professional baseball player getting paid lots of money to do it?
Or are you a normal working stiff, like the rest of us.
I would think the "best of the best" would take some more pride in their work and they should be expected to do so.
As I said in my posts, I'm just not excited about the signing.
However, they don't sign him at less than four years, so whatever.
Just throwing out my opinion.
santadevil said:
So I'm assuming you found Manny's time here not worth the effort-related infractions and clubhouse distraction?
I guess the "fewer years with more per year" theory that most people loved is now hated once it has become a reality.
joe dokes said:
Crooked hats in MLB are stupid.
By the way, in the National League, there were 27 2b/3b/SS that qualified for the batting title. Of those 27, the Red Sox are about to sign the guys with the 3rd and 14th highest ops numbers.
Last year, Sox' 3b and LF produced these OPS numbers, compared with who will be replacing them (Sandoval at 3b and Hanley in LF):
3b: .570 (29th) ----> .739
LF: .700 (19th) ----> .817
And both those numbers were in extreme pitchers' parks. Cespedes, FWIW, only put up a .719 ops with Boston.
In other words, the Red Sox' offense is about to get a LOT better.
BeantownIdaho said:
No. If the first thing we heard was Hanley got 4/88 or something, most people here would be happy. But since we first heard 5/90 and then it became 4/88, the sane people here recognized that 5/90 would've been a better deal. But since that apparently wasn't an option, it's a moot point. That doesn't mean the shorter length/higher AAV preference isn't valid in general though.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hanley-ramirez-and-the-logjam-in-boston/
FG runs through some fallout scenarios from the signing though it's bit out of date with the Pablo news.
FG runs through some fallout scenarios from the signing though it's bit out of date with the Pablo news.
BeantownIdaho said:
When people talk about "fewer years with more per year", it's always implicit the shorter contract has to be significantly smaller in total dollars (though greater in AAV) for it to make sense.
5 years/$100 million is obviously better than 4 years/$100 million, as you get a free year of control in the former (and a lower AAV).
5 years/$100 million is clearly preferable to 4 years/$98 million unless you think $2 million for the 5th year is likely to be an overpay--but if that's the case you probably walk away from both contracts (it's tough to imagine a case where you're nearly sure $2 million is an overpay in year 5 but $24+ million/year is reasonable for the first 4 years).
It's when you get to comparing 5 years/$100 million vs. 4 years/$88 million or 3 years/$70 million--or something like that, where the total outlay is significantly less in the shorter contract, even though the per annum is higher--that you start looking at "higher per year, fewer years" in a positive light.
It's odd that after signing with the Sox, Hanley Ramirez, to some people, has become the only full-time shortstop in the history of Major League Baseball who is unable to play any other defensive position with any success.
joe dokes said:
And that's my opinion.
Counts the same as yours.
My biggest concern with this signing is his health.
He's signed at $22 per year, but he's going to be on the wrong side of 30 and he's averaged 121 games a season for the last 5.
When you pro-rate that going forward do you feel he's worth $29.5 a year?
I really hope that signing Hanley means there already is a handshake deal in place with respect to an outfielder. Do the Sox even have enough moves to make on the 40 to sign Pablo and Hanley without a trade or without a DFA of a piece they'll want to keep, or are there two slots that are obvious?
No, the 40 man is full. A trade would have to coincide with the signing.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
moondog80 said:
Sure they can. There is no deadline to actually process the players. That said until they actually run the paperwork, the free agents are free to back out.
ehaz said:
I dont care if, FIVE years ago, he told his manager once, in an immature fit of rage, stupidity, and frustration, to stick a flaming bat up his ass. He was spectacularly wrong anddeseved whatever punishment he got. The question is -- what's he been like since then, and what's he like now.
To those who say, "he's a dog who wont give yout the effort," I ask, "what's your evidence?" And if the only response is the thing in Florida, then the opinion is close to worthless, as it has no facts to support it, other than, "he did this thing once."
Or, is there something else that I'm missing / forgot about?
While I dont buy the pro-rate argument (nobody plays 162 games), I get the health concern. Hopefully the Sox can get 130+ games out of him most years. Maybe part of maturing is changing his workouts? Maybe the OF is less wear and tear?
santadevil said:
Can I assume you're interested in Jon Lester signing back in Boston? I agree, and I'm glad he's never brewed up anything fowl over his career to warrant such reservations.
joe dokes said:
Also, it's pretty clear that Ortiz is a mentor to H-ram. Ortiz does not expect to play forever and would probably like to cement his legacy with another ring if he can. Even if H-ram had a tendency to dog it (which I don't believe he does), having Ortiz around may help him quite a bit.
JohntheBaptist said:
Yes, I want Lester to sign with the Sox.
And yes, I know that's the point everyone is trying to make.
Hanley screwed up when he was younger, but hasn't since (at least that we know of).
Just put it this way, I won't be purchasing a Hanley Ramirez shirt anytime soon.
Is that a serious question? Over the last three years Hanley has a 135 wRC+ and was worth 11.3 fWAR with a .356 OBP, Cespedes is at 115 and has been worth 8.5 and had a .316 OBP. Hanley also offers greater defensive versatility and Cespedes was only under control for one more season and couldn't be made a qualifying offer. The Red Sox are much much better off with Hanley on the roster than Cespedes.
Lifetime wRC+ = Hanley 133 Yoenis 115mfried said:
Hanley can back up SS and 3B while playing LF. Maybe play 1B in the future. Yoenis didn't feel like taking balls off of the Monster. It's cool, enjoy Seattle.
EDIT: What Snod said.
Really? Hanley is superior to Cespedes as a hitter and considering the defense we saw out of Cespedes in his time in Boston so far, Hanley doesn't have a huge bar to get over to match or improve on that side of the coin either.mfried said:
"Jon Lester refused to eat pizza with a TEAMMATE. But he was more than happy enough to share chicken and beer in the clubhouse with malcontents Beckett & Lackey. Is this the face you want your children to root for?"
VOTE HANLEY for Clubhouse President in 2015.
VOTE HANLEY for Clubhouse President in 2015.
Darnell's Son said:
Because Cespedes is Spanish for "turf", indicating Yeonis was born to play baseball.
Ramirez means nothing, and Hanley is a stupid name.
I freely admit that my question as formulated was dumb. However, Hanley is almost 3 years older than Cespedes, has poorer health, a less strong arm, less experience in the outfield, and his power ceiling is probably not as high. That being said, he is a better hitter and, by signing, has shown interest in being with the Sox.Red(s)HawksFan said:
mfried said:
Hanley's career ISO is .200. Cespedes' is .201. Hanley's career high is .293. Cespedes' is .214.
I think you'll all find this very interesting. Offense: Tulo vs. Hanley:
Troy Tulowitski's Lifetime wRC+
126
Hanley Ramirez' Lifetime wRC+
133
BOOSH!
Troy Tulowitski's Lifetime wRC+
126
Hanley Ramirez' Lifetime wRC+
133
BOOSH!
Odd...something is going down with a trade. Shifting him back until 4 doesn't make sense otherwise