Harbaugh to LAC

deanx0

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 7, 2004
2,514
Orlando, FL
+1. One of my best friend's whole family were Colts nuts and hosted a lot of Sunday Fun-Days back then. The Colts got fucked in that game, although I think it was Rosey Colvin that dropped an INT in the numbers that might've won it for them.
I lived in Indianapolis then and I was rooting for them, but it also led to the funniest thing ever the following year. My workplace had a Fantasy Football league and the big catch was Barry Sanders. I thought no chance as I got the second pick, but the guy picking first, a huge Colts fan, took Captain Comeback Jim Harbaugh, with the first overall pick in the fantasy league. Suffice to say, his team was not good that year.
 

sonofgodcf

Guest
Jul 17, 2005
1,646
The toilet.
I lump Spanos in with the other owners whose ownering seems forever destined to prevent his team from winning it all. Interesting to see if Harbaugh can clear the Spanos hurdle.
To add another log to the Spanos is cheap pile, I once dealt with him first-hand when I lived in SF. I used to work for a luggage brand that had a store in Union Square. One day he came in with his assistant (or bodyguard - the dude was pretty big) and purchased about $4k worth of suitcases. A nice sale for me, and at the moment, I thought it was cool to have met an NFL owner.

Fast-forward a week, and the assistant comes in with all of the suitcases in tow, returning everything. It was clear they had all been used, and the cheap bastard just needed them for a trip back to SD (or wherever) and then had the guy bring them all back. Just super penny-ante stuff for someone who owned a billion dollar franchise.
 

trekfan55

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 29, 2004
11,638
Panama
To add another log to the Spanos is cheap pile, I once dealt with him first-hand when I lived in SF. I used to work for a luggage brand that had a store in Union Square. One day he came in with his assistant (or bodyguard - the dude was pretty big) and purchased about $4k worth of suitcases. A nice sale for me, and at the moment, I thought it was cool to have met an NFL owner.

Fast-forward a week, and the assistant comes in with all of the suitcases in tow, returning everything. It was clear they had all been used, and the cheap bastard just needed them for a trip back to SD (or wherever) and then had the guy bring them all back. Just super penny-ante stuff for someone who owned a billion dollar franchise.
Wait your store allowed for returns if it was obvious they had been used?
 

Auger34

used to be tbb
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
9,685
To add another log to the Spanos is cheap pile, I once dealt with him first-hand when I lived in SF. I used to work for a luggage brand that had a store in Union Square. One day he came in with his assistant (or bodyguard - the dude was pretty big) and purchased about $4k worth of suitcases. A nice sale for me, and at the moment, I thought it was cool to have met an NFL owner.

Fast-forward a week, and the assistant comes in with all of the suitcases in tow, returning everything. It was clear they had all been used, and the cheap bastard just needed them for a trip back to SD (or wherever) and then had the guy bring them all back. Just super penny-ante stuff for someone who owned a billion dollar franchise.
That is absolutely insane behavior for someone who owns a fucking professional sports team.

Wow
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,674
Oregon
To add another log to the Spanos is cheap pile, I once dealt with him first-hand when I lived in SF. I used to work for a luggage brand that had a store in Union Square. One day he came in with his assistant (or bodyguard - the dude was pretty big) and purchased about $4k worth of suitcases. A nice sale for me, and at the moment, I thought it was cool to have met an NFL owner.

Fast-forward a week, and the assistant comes in with all of the suitcases in tow, returning everything. It was clear they had all been used, and the cheap bastard just needed them for a trip back to SD (or wherever) and then had the guy bring them all back. Just super penny-ante stuff for someone who owned a billion dollar franchise.
Very exciting ... as a luggage problem
 

j-man

Member
Dec 19, 2012
3,692
Arkansas
my 02 cents not a layup by any means
1they are 34 mil over the cap guys like k allen m williams will be gone j bosa will be a inj risk other than herbert and d james no long term star on the team
2 cant beat denver 1-3 aga denver the last 2 years if u cant beat denver no playoffs
3 withen 4 years he will be gone
 

Granite Sox

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 6, 2003
5,066
The Granite State
Why does he want to leave Michigan? He is only in the Mahomes division now.
Harbaugh is insanely competitive, and during his time at Michigan routinely “coached up” players that didn’t have the recruiting stars of tOSU. Over the past 3 years he’s done more with less compared to Ohio State. The 2020 Covid season was an inflection point for Harbaugh, and he sought out players committed to changing the culture (I’ll highlight Aiden Hutchinson and incoming freshman JJ McCarthy for two). Additionally, Michigan over the past 20 years developed a reputation for peeing down its leg in big moments. Fast forward to today, and Michigan is one of the more disciplined and mentally tough teams in the NCAA. Given his previous success with the 49ers and Michigan, I’d expect a similar transformation for the Chargers.

Harbaugh couldn’t give a shit about Mahomes. He’s definitely not afraid of him, and will use him as a measuring stick for the Chargers. Don’t know if the LAC will beat the Chiefs, but I think those games will be a lot more physical and chippy than they’ve been recently. The division just got a lot more fun to watch, that’s for sure.

He would have been facing massive sanctions at UM if he stayed.
Spoken like a sour Buckeye. Gross hyperbole. Do we need to get into the whole situation with Catapult? ;)
 
Last edited:

j-man

Member
Dec 19, 2012
3,692
Arkansas
Harbaugh is insanely competitive, and during his time at Michigan routinely “coached up” players that didn’t have the recruiting stars of tOSU. Over the past 3 years he’s done more with less compared to Ohio State. The 2020 Covid season was an inflection point for Harbaugh, and he sought out players committed to changing the culture (I’ll highlight Aiden Hutchinson and incoming freshman JJ McCarthy for two). Additionally, Michigan over the past 20 years developed a reputation for peeing down its leg in big moments. Fast forward to today, and Michigan is one of the more disciplined and mentally tough teams in the NCAA. Given his previous success with the 49ers and Michigan, I’d expect a similar transformation for the Chargers.

Harbaugh couldn’t give a shit about Mahomes. He’s definitely not afraid of him, and will use him as a measuring stick for the Chargers. Don’t know if the LAC will beat the Chiefs, but I think those games will be a lot more physical and chippy than they’ve been recently. The division just got a lot more fun to watch, that’s for sure.


Spoken liken a sour Buckeye. Gross hyperbole. Do we need to get into the whole situation with Catapult? ;)
he will improve them but withen 4 years ownship will want to get rid of him
the players will love him but mangment will not

mahomes will decline in around 4-5 years when he loses the abily to move around like big ben every play i see him ending like r wilson type
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,088
New York City
mahomes will decline in around 4-5 years when he loses the abily to move around like big ben every play i see him ending like r wilson type
This is obviously not true and there is no basis for making this claim.

This is just like Chris Sims and Max Kellerman saying for 12 years, "The Brady is heading towards the CLIFF!"
 

Average Reds

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
35,432
Southwestern CT
Spoken like a sour Buckeye. Gross hyperbole. Do we need to get into the whole situation with Catapult? ;)
As a rabid Michigan fan, I have to defend Skrub here.

I think the NCAA obsession with Harbaugh is ridiculous. I also think their willingness to twist facts and bootstrap a minor technical violation into a Level I major infraction is simply outrageous. But, if reporting on negotiations for his contract extension is accurate, it is precisely the reason Harbaugh left Michigan. (BTW, I’m fine with it. I’d do the same in his shoes.)

The issues with Catapult and with the PI firm linked to Day aren’t going away. They are also not relevant to what Skrub posted, which is the undeniable fact that Harbaugh was facing sanctions if he stayed.
 

Sille Skrub

Dope
Dope
SoSH Member
Mar 3, 2004
5,945
Massachusetts
And honestly, I wanted him to stay. The Buckeyes have had a nice offseason with the portal. College football is much better when UM and OSU are both strong.

I was very interested to see if Day could get over his John Cooperism against Michigan/Harbaugh.
 

j-man

Member
Dec 19, 2012
3,692
Arkansas
This is obviously not true and there is no basis for making this claim.

This is just like Chris Sims and Max Kellerman saying for 12 years, "The Brady is heading towards the CLIFF!"
i am already seeing it
u had to give him credit for making 3rd and 4th sting wr guys stars overall but kelce is year to year now and without kelce they will be good but not super bowl good
2 years ago who knew wilson wouild fall from top 5 to top 15 overall at qb
his comp is breatt favre the first 5-10 years of favre career he couild run around and ex plays but startng mid carrer he took more and more risk
if mahaomes wants more than 1-2 more super bowls he has to win the next 2 games
it can go away sudden and quick
 

ShaneTrot

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Nov 17, 2002
6,458
Overland Park, KS
Harbaugh is insanely competitive, and during his time at Michigan routinely “coached up” players that didn’t have the recruiting stars of tOSU. Over the past 3 years he’s done more with less compared to Ohio State. The 2020 Covid season was an inflection point for Harbaugh, and he sought out players committed to changing the culture (I’ll highlight Aiden Hutchinson and incoming freshman JJ McCarthy for two). Additionally, Michigan over the past 20 years developed a reputation for peeing down its leg in big moments. Fast forward to today, and Michigan is one of the more disciplined and mentally tough teams in the NCAA. Given his previous success with the 49ers and Michigan, I’d expect a similar transformation for the Chargers.

Harbaugh couldn’t give a shit about Mahomes. He’s definitely not afraid of him, and will use him as a measuring stick for the Chargers. Don’t know if the LAC will beat the Chiefs, but I think those games will be a lot more physical and chippy than they’ve been recently. The division just got a lot more fun to watch, that’s for sure.
He was undeniably very good at Michigan the last three years, but before that, he was known as the guy who couldn't beat Ohio State. He is a good coach, let's see how he does in LA.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,088
New York City
i am already seeing it
u had to give him credit for making 3rd and 4th sting wr guys stars overall but kelce is year to year now and without kelce they will be good but not super bowl good
2 years ago who knew wilson wouild fall from top 5 to top 15 overall at qb
his comp is breatt favre the first 5-10 years of favre career he couild run around and ex plays but startng mid carrer he took more and more risk
if mahaomes wants more than 1-2 more super bowls he has to win the next 2 games
it can go away sudden and quick
If your argument is, "Russell Wilson got worse at age 35," it's not a great argument.

Mahomes is 20 times better than Wilson, who was not a consistent top 5 QB. Which is why he famously never got an MVP vote.

Mahomes has been a top 3 QB every year of his career. With two SB wins and two MVPs. And he's 28 years old.
 

BigJimEd

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
4,457
He was undeniably very good at Michigan the last three years, but before that, he was known as the guy who couldn't beat Ohio State. He is a good coach, let's see how he does in LA.
Yes, his first five years were pretty mediocre (34-16 record) and there was talk of him getting fired. Turned things around in 2021. Excellent in SF the first three years. D under Fangio was superb. 4th year obviously had the turmoil with the front office and with an 8-8 record, he wasn't winning the power struggle.
 

manny

New Member
Jul 24, 2005
267
If your argument is, "Russell Wilson got worse at age 35," it's not a great argument.

Mahomes is 20 times better than Wilson, who was not a consistent top 5 QB. Which is why he famously never got an MVP vote.

Mahomes has been a top 3 QB every year of his career. With two SB wins and two MVPs. And he's 28 years old.
Also, citing the loss of Kelce as the reason Mahomes will fall off is not the best example when he already lost a top 3 WR and continued to carry the Chiefs. Losing Kelce will hurt but presumably at some point the Chiefs will get another legit receiver.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,088
New York City
Also, citing the loss of Kelce as the reason Mahomes will fall off is not the best example when he already lost a top 3 WR and continued to carry the Chiefs. Losing Kelce will hurt but presumably at some point the Chiefs will get another legit receiver.
Rashee Rice was nothing in the first 6-7 games of this very season. Now he's a weapon, putting up big numbers and is a threat to score when he gets in space.

Players get replaced. Look at how many players Brady was throwing to over the years. They always changed. But there was no replacing Brady and there is no replacing Mahomes.
 

tims4wins

PN23's replacement
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
37,547
Hingham, MA
Rashee Rice was nothing in the first 6-7 games of this very season. Now he's a weapon, putting up big numbers and is a threat to score when he gets in space.

Players get replaced. Look at how many players Brady was throwing to over the years. They always changed. But there was no replacing Brady and there is no replacing Mahomes.
Mahomes won the Super Bowl the year after they traded Hill. This, exactly. He'll also be fine when Kelce declines.
 

Justthetippett

New Member
Aug 9, 2015
2,517
If your argument is, "Russell Wilson got worse at age 35," it's not a great argument.

Mahomes is 20 times better than Wilson, who was not a consistent top 5 QB. Which is why he famously never got an MVP vote.

Mahomes has been a top 3 QB every year of his career. With two SB wins and two MVPs. And he's 28 years old.
I think Jman may have a point in that the legs are the first thing to decline and Mahomes relies on them a lot for his elusiveness and off platform throws. That *could* be an issue for him. That said, we've just seen Rodgers play into his late 30s with a similar style. I would bet on Mahomes to make the necessary adjustments to his approach. I think losing Reid could be another thing that he has to overcome, but if they promote Nagy or something he also probably compensates for that. He's a wagon.
 

BigJimEd

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
4,457
I never really agreed that this was mediocre. The covid year was bad but the guy was regularly winning 10 games from the jump.
Maybe mediocre is a little harsh and a nice step up from Hoke but certainly not what they were hoping for. 8-5, 9-4 isn't what they were looking for. 10-3 is fine but you're also hoping to mix in a 12-1 or 11-2 season.
 

LoLsapien

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 5, 2022
199
I think Jman may have a point in that the legs are the first thing to decline and Mahomes relies on them a lot for his elusiveness and off platform throws. That *could* be an issue for him. That said, we've just seen Rodgers play into his late 30s with a similar style. I would bet on Mahomes to make the necessary adjustments to his approach. I think losing Reid could be another thing that he has to overcome, but if they promote Nagy or something he also probably compensates for that. He's a wagon.
Mahomes' salary is also set to almost double next year. It's not going to get any easier to build a contender around the guy. Declining athleticism, increased chance of injuries, dramatically higher cap number, I don't think it's a reach to say his window of opportunity gets narrower after the age of 33. Rodgers has played into his late 30s but has a grand total of one ring. Mahomes is great but Rodgers, he of one ring and who just missed the whole season due to injury, and Russell Wilson are much more likely to be his comps than Tom Brady, the GOAT, who ate avocado smoothies and whose game had basically zero scrambling, and the GOAT coach for virtually his entire career.
 

j-man

Member
Dec 19, 2012
3,692
Arkansas
If your argument is, "Russell Wilson got worse at age 35," it's not a great argument.

Mahomes is 20 times better than Wilson, who was not a consistent top 5 QB. Which is why he famously never got an MVP vote.

Mahomes has been a top 3 QB every year of his career. With two SB wins and two MVPs. And he's 28 years old.
can he do it without reid and kelce

great start overall to a carrer but most NFL carrers last 15-18 years these days

and he also has the refs heiping as well would not shock me within the next 10 years the NFL goes to a flag football pro bowl sit up

and the reason KC is where they are is their def without that def vegas wins the afc west this year

u know sean pay ton has to be sick had he gave up 1 more extra first rd pick in 2017
mahomes is in new orleans so is payton reid is marty 2.0 kelce wouild not be dateing swift
 

Garshaparra

New Member
Feb 27, 2008
536
McCarver's Mushy Mouth
Mahomes won the Super Bowl the year after they traded Hill. This, exactly. He'll also be fine when Kelce declines.
Kelce has declined over the course of this season, and more than ever before, KC's offense has looked mortal. Their defense is quite improved and has kept them in. By no means am I suggesting that Mahomes is a sham that's only good because he's had top receivers, but all QBs need go-tos. I saw a prior suggestion that Mike Evans could land in KC, and they've got enough space to pay him on a short contract as their new #1.
 

j-man

Member
Dec 19, 2012
3,692
Arkansas
I think Jman may have a point in that the legs are the first thing to decline and Mahomes relies on them a lot for his elusiveness and off platform throws. That *could* be an issue for him. That said, we've just seen Rodgers play into his late 30s with a similar style. I would bet on Mahomes to make the necessary adjustments to his approach. I think losing Reid could be another thing that he has to overcome, but if they promote Nagy or something he also probably compensates for that. He's a wagon.
thanks for the backup loseing reid will cost 2 wins a year but let say the chiefs keep winning unlikely they will keep haveing homefield after 2024 once LAC and den clean their cap up in 2 years they will be a plo the raiders have 10 win talent if they get better on def and the afc is the much tougher conf because right now Tenn and ne are the worse AFC team but put them in the NFC and they are 8-9 win teams IF sf does not win this SB i couild see the afc go on a 10-12 year run
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,088
New York City
thanks for the backup loseing reid will cost 2 wins a year but let say the chiefs keep winning unlikely they will keep haveing homefield after 2024 once LAC and den clean their cap up in 2 years they will be a plo the raiders have 10 win talent if they get better on def and the afc is the much tougher conf because right now Tenn and ne are the worse AFC team but put them in the NFC and they are 8-9 win teams IF sf does not win this SB i couild see the afc go on a 10-12 year run
Things change rapidly in the NFL tho. Right now, the AFC has the QBs. But that won't last forever. It's tough to call for a 10-12 year run in anything in the NFL.

But you're right, right now the NFC's QB are pretty poor relative to the AFC. You've got Purdy (last pick in the draft but the highest passer rating in NFL history in first two seasons) and Goff(given up by the Rams) in the Championship game, with Mayfield (cast off) and Jordan Love (GB fans were ready to throw him away after week 9) losing the round before.

The AFC had Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, and Stroud.
 

j-man

Member
Dec 19, 2012
3,692
Arkansas
oh and lawernce herbert and burrow as well

right now the only AFC teams that does not have a qb are NE PITT Tenn Den vegas and ne has the 3 pick pitt has a round 1 qb tenn has a round 2 qb
NFC teams with no qb are Wash Chi ATL only 3 teams are in qb hell and vegas couild fix that by tradeing crosby and adambs den and atl is looking at 2 years of best case 9-8 8-9