Ime Udoka suspended for the 22-23 season

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I'll repeat the point I tried to make yesterday - the Celtics are to be congratulated for trying to do the right thing here instead of sweeping misbehavior under the rug because of "banners" or something, the way so many other sports franchises have done in the past and continue to do today. Its a shame that this all has happened, but that is entirely on Udoka. People who jumped on the "Celtics ownership is racist" tropes floating around yesterday and today should be ashamed of themselves.
 

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The media part I find fascinating right now is that when this first initially broke, there were no details and people where coming up with all sorts of rumors that were allegedly out there, trying to be the first to get it right. Now, if you believe a guy like Matt Barnes who says he’s been told the story and it’s bad, then there are multiple people out there that know and are suddenly unwilling to be the first to report on it. If this is indeed the case, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a lesser reporter “have the scoop” in the coming days and a guy like Shams or Woj somehow have a full article about it out within 5 minutes
 

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If the FO wants to stop the leaks, then they should circulate a couple of different, fake stories among those they suspect and see which one makes it to Woj or Shams or anyone else, then go from there.
This thread has jumped the shark so many times now.
I doubt we'll ever get the "fullness" of the story.
Maybe not and perhaps we don’t need to. This has been an ugly incident and I feel for the women that got dragged as irresponsible interweb sleuths presumed to try to out who was responsible for putting a promising Celtics season at risk. I’m still looking forward to the season but honestly a bit less than I was 24 hours ago.
 

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You all don't ignore enough people, including me. I still think that it would have been good to say early on day 2 that they were investigating and would have more to say when it made sense and to please stop speculating or something. But I'll admit to buying into the "sleeping with coworkers" narrative and am pretty embarrassed by it. Proper investigation, proper conclusion. The org acted professionally. Good stuff. They deserved more benefit of the doubt.
Good job with this.
 

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I can’t wait to find out what happened. It’s too juicy to never come out. Everyone who does know looks stricken. And DeJesus Built My Hotrod is right. This has to be a case of intense self sabotage.

I know the world doesn’t work like this but I had imagined Ime Udoku didn’t have time for anything other than coming up with basketball strategies and his family. Now I see he did this whole other weird sexual drama thing and, you know, it’s like, come on man, nobody wants you doing that with your time. If he asked any of us if he should do that we’d say “No! That’s crazy. We need banner 18. Stop being horny!”
 

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If Ime was some sort of known serial sex predator not sure why that would just be on the Celtics & not on all the other teams who employed him.

It's not like it's cool to hire a serial sex predator to be an assistant coach.

I assume this is just a dumb effort to discredit the hiring process & Celtics. If Nia Long didn't know, how are the Celtics supposed to know?
It's also unfair to assume that an organization MUST know about something like that. It wouldn't be on the Celtics, or any other organization which employed Ime, unless they knew about and ignored it.

Of course, we have zero evidence or even rumors that that even occurred, so...
 

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Apologies if this has been posted but Matt Barnes clearly knows how much is being hidden from the public. Yowza.

“This situation in Boston is deep, it’s messy, it’s 100x uglier than any of us though and praying for everyone involved.”

View: https://youtu.be/pfZT082RWqU
 
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Not to pile on which i am but fuck SAS is a fucking ass.
ESPN scroll was running all night: "Celtics suspend Coach Ime Udoka for one year due to a consensual relationship" :rolleyes:

You can also add ESPN, Perk, Jay Williams and Woj (carrying CAA water) as initially embarrassing themselves.

I suspect they will all soften their stance towards the C's or Malika Andrews will continue to rip them.
 

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Having grown up here and read pretty much everything he has written, good and bad, my eye is on Shank here.

He doesn’t ask random questions. I am going to stretch this out, and feel free to let me know that I am crazy.

Shank asked about prior misdeeds by Ime and whether the Celts properly vetted him before hiring him.
Me thinks they have something on Ime’s past. I could see this story going from 100% Ime, to 50% Ime and 50% on the Celts knowing he had a problem and allowing it to go on for too long, or improperly vetting him and missing everything. Either way the Celts organization gets dragged, and they look awful. My wildest worst case is that this takes Brad down with him. That’s probably too much, but it crossed my mind.

Either way I see a long 6-7 page expose on Ime and his demons and the Celts enabling in the Sunday Globe within the next few weeks.
Thank you for posting this, and I appreciate your thoughts. When I heard Shank ask the question I said to myself Brad please answer the question with maybe the slightest possibility something somewhere could have been missed. But he did not. I can guarantee 4 seconds after the press conference Shank began to reach out to try and find any previous misstep from Udoka.

If/when something is dug up, then it falls back on Brad.
 

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Thank you for posting this, and I appreciate your thoughts. When I heard Shank ask the question I said to myself Brad please answer the question with maybe the slightest possibility something somewhere could have been missed. But he did not. I can guarantee 4 seconds after the press conference Shank began to reach out to try and find any previous misstep from Udoka.

If/when something is dug up, then it falls back on Brad.
What more are you expecting? Did Ime cheat on his SAT’s? Jaywalk? Shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die?

And why are you blaming it on Brad if something else is out there? Was he the one who did the vetting? Or covered it up when Ime switched the decaf with the regular coffee when he worked at Dunky’s? Or made the corporate decision not to mention when Ime put itching powder in his brother’s Fruit of the Looms?

Sometimes an inappropriate workplace relationship is just an inappropriate workplace relationship. Wanting Brad to suggest there is more to the story is a strange position that you and GB5 are taking. Especially when you put Shank into the mix, who never has needed facts to point fingers.

Ladies and gentlemen, now we know where the Fellowship of the Miserable comes from.
 

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What more are you expecting? Did Ime cheat on his SAT’s? Jaywalk? Shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die?

And why are you blaming it on Brad if something else is out there? Was he the one who did the vetting? Or covered it up when Ime switched the decaf with the regular coffee when he worked at Dunky’s? Or made the corporate decision not to mention when Ime put itching powder in his brother’s Fruit of the Looms?

Sometimes an inappropriate workplace relationship is just an inappropriate workplace relationship. Wanting Brad to suggest there is more to the story is a strange position that you and GB5 are taking. Especially when you put Shank into the mix, who never has needed facts to point fingers.

Ladies and gentlemen, now we know where the Fellowship of the Miserable comes from.
Let me explain it again and hopefully you will comprehend, hopefully. To me the question from Shank was a setup. A setup from the standpoint that he answered it that they are not expecting anything else from the past to crop up.

Did they fully vet Udoka, I am sure they did. But if you do not think people will go back to every single stop he has in to try and did something up, then you were born yesterday.

Never once did either one of us sat we wanted more from the story.

Example: Deshaun Watson, one case comes up everyone thinks its a one off, and 50+ cases later here we are. There are many more examples of issues coming out later after an initial story breaks, I guess you are new to this.

Not blaming Brad, my fear on Brad was the way he answered the question.

I hope nothing else surfaces, but if it does you will be hearing the sound bite of Brad answering Shanks question repeatedly
 

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The worst part of the SAS stuff is the people on Twitter who are getting off on the clip of SAS shouting her down.
 

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When I heard Shank ask the question I said to myself Brad please answer the question with maybe the slightest possibility something somewhere could have been missed.
This is what I "missed". You wanted there to be more. And there wasn't.

What's wrong with "There was a thorough, month long independent investigation and this is what we found "?

If something else comes up, like Ime didn't have a license plate on his bicycle, I expect the team will honestly say they didn't know that. Could Ime have pulled the legs off of insects as a kid and that info comes out later? Sure, that could happen. Doesn't mean Brad and the team knew. Or that this makes Shank right.
 

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This is what I "missed". You wanted there to be more. And there wasn't.

What's wrong with "There was a thorough, month long independent investigation and this is what we found "?

If something else comes up, like Ime didn't have a license plate on his bicycle, I expect the team will honestly say they didn't know that. Could Ime have pulled the legs off of insects as a kid and that info comes out later? Sure, that could happen. Doesn't mean Brad and the team knew. Or that this makes Shank right.
Not sure if reading or comprehension is your challenge. NEVER NEVER NEVER did I say I wanted more.

My point was the way Brad answered the question they are not expecting more to come to light, and I hope that is the case. But there are many examples are things coming out after initial findings and post press conferences.

IF IF IF anything does the way Brad answered the question will be challenged.

To sum up I am not asking for more. I am not asking for more. I am not asking for more
 

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The worst part of the SAS stuff is the people on Twitter who are getting off on the clip of SAS shouting her down.
The Malika Andrews trending topic on Twitter yesterday was vile.

She is excellent at her job, and ESPN is lucky that Rachel Nichols and Maria Taylor blew each other up and they had a better talent in the wings.
 

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Not sure if reading or comprehension is your challenge. NEVER NEVER NEVER did I say I wanted more.

My point was the way Brad answered the question they are not expecting more to come to light, and I hope that is the case. But there are many examples are things coming out after initial findings and post press conferences.

IF IF IF anything does the way Brad answered the question will be challenged.

To sum up I am not asking for more. I am not asking for more. I am not asking for more
Dude

1) Shank is too lazy for that to be a setup. He isn't doing any more research on this. He is hoping someone else will find something out so he can continue to be a miserable cock.
2) IF Ime was a serial cheater whose signature move was harassing women within his workplace then if SAS, BRK or the other places he worked knew, it's on them for not telling the Cs. If no one knew because he hadn't done it or it never went so wrong as to come to the organization's attention, that's on no one except Ime.
 

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Not sure if reading or comprehension is your challenge. NEVER NEVER NEVER did I say I wanted more.

My point was the way Brad answered the question they are not expecting more to come to light, and I hope that is the case. But there are many examples are things coming out after initial findings and post press conferences.

IF IF IF anything does the way Brad answered the question will be challenged.

To sum up I am not asking for more. I am not asking for more. I am not asking for more
How many of those examples came in the wake of a two month independent investigation that preceded the "initial findings" and press conferences? Deshaun Watson was brought up as such an example, but let's not forget the timing there. The initial allegations came out and then the deep digging came next, resulting in more women stepping forward. In this case, it appears the deep digging occurred before any comments from the Celtics (or frankly anyone else possibly involved) came out.

Dan Shaughnessy is a tool bag that desperately wants for there to be something more so he can have another reason to shit on things. That's the only reason he asked the question.
 

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Thank you for posting this, and I appreciate your thoughts. When I heard Shank ask the question I said to myself Brad please answer the question with maybe the slightest possibility something somewhere could have been missed. But he did not. I can guarantee 4 seconds after the press conference Shank began to reach out to try and find any previous misstep from Udoka.

If/when something is dug up, then it falls back on Brad.
I don't understand this.

Shank asked : "Wyc, when Ime was hired, and Brad I guess too, was he vetted for these kinds of violations regarding his work in other organizations? Are you confident in saying this never went on anywhere else before he came to the Celtics?"

Wyc: "Diligence"

Brad: "Yeah, everybody that is an employee here goes through that vetting process. Obviously you know, you always ask questions and he's gotten nothing but glowing remarks. So yeah, I think that's a pretty consistent thing throughout everybody in the organization."

What is the issue with Brads' answer? He didn't say absolutely no chance we missed anything. He just said he went through a vetting process like everybody else. Unless Brad is lying and they didn't vet him at all, or they did and it came up that this guy is a serial sexual harasser and Brad just said, fuck it I'm hiring him anyway, I don't understand why, "If/when something is dug up, then it falls back on Brad."?

He's not out there investigating Ime Udoka, that's not his job.

People are really trying way too hard to find someone else to blame besides Ime Udoka.
 

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My theory, and maybe it is too much is that Shank or the Globe went on a fishing expedition about Ime, and maybe found a past transgression or two, or who knows maybe more.

With that knowledge he wanted to put Brad and Wyc on the spot, with the hope that they said something like “we did an extensive work up on Ime prior to hiring him, or even, no we are not aware of any prior events”

The Globe then writes an article with whatever information they obtained with the stance that “Celts lied, or Celts should have known, or even Celts enabled”..
 

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My theory, and maybe it is too much is that Shank or the Globe went on a fishing expedition about Ime, and maybe found a past transgression or two, or who knows maybe more.

With that knowledge he wanted to put Brad and Wyc on the spot, with the hope that they said something like “we did an extensive work up on Ime prior to hiring him, or even, no we are not aware of any prior events”

The Globe then writes an article with whatever information they obtained with the stance that “Celts lied, or Celts should have known, or even Celts enabled”..
So why is Shank waiting to spring that reporting?
 

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My theory, and maybe it is too much is that Shank or the Globe went on a fishing expedition about Ime, and maybe found a past transgression or two, or who knows maybe more.

With that knowledge he wanted to put Brad and Wyc on the spot, with the hope that they said something like “we did an extensive work up on Ime prior to hiring him, or even, no we are not aware of any prior events”

The Globe then writes an article with whatever information they obtained with the stance that “Celts lied, or Celts should have known, or even Celts enabled”..
Did Shank dig this up SINCE this blew up? If so, it really wasn't buried that deep was it? And if he's had it for longer, why did he not use it prior to this--he was waiting for something he didn't know would happen to happen?
 

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"This is still a coach who is going to garner interest around the league. The final chapter of his coaching career I don't think has been written. I think there the possibility that there are going to be other teams interested in him, maybe as soon as this season.
"Ime Udoka and Brad Stevens... this was a very close relationship. The suspension has certainly frayed the trust, the relationship there. We'll see if they can rebuild it."

Wojnarowski adds that the Celtics could have fired Udoka, but elected not to as there's still a possibility of him returning next season.

ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI/ESPN via CAA public relations dept
 

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Wow that’s some shit water carrying in a leaky bucket. Lol, the suspension frayed the trust? Not the shitty activity that caused it?
 

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It's really, really clear that someone on the Udoka side did the leaking.
they've shaped the narrative, they've gotten consensual as the key word. The Cs, I'm betting, could completely blow up Udoka here, and they aren't. They're taking hits because they're keeping largely quiet--they're the good guys here, pretty clearly.
 

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And all the troglodyites screaming for the women to be named aren't screaming for Ime to say what happened or the Cs to release specifics--all of which would be far more illuminating than the names of the women.

Ime accepted this--he pleaded guilty--no one should assume he was treated unfairly.
 

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"This is still a coach who is going to garner interest around the league. The final chapter of his coaching career I don't think has been written. I think there the possibility that there are going to be other teams interested in him, maybe as soon as this season.
"Ime Udoka and Brad Stevens... this was a very close relationship. The suspension has certainly frayed the trust, the relationship there. We'll see if they can rebuild it."

Wojnarowski adds that the Celtics could have fired Udoka, but elected not to as there's still a possibility of him returning next season.

ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI/ESPN via CAA public relations dept
Then there is rebuilding trust with the team.
It must be unsettling to be gearing up for a championship run and then have your coach blow it by dicking around.
 

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My theory, and maybe it is too much is that Shank or the Globe went on a fishing expedition about Ime, and maybe found a past transgression or two, or who knows maybe more.

With that knowledge he wanted to put Brad and Wyc on the spot, with the hope that they said something like “we did an extensive work up on Ime prior to hiring him, or even, no we are not aware of any prior events”

The Globe then writes an article with whatever information they obtained with the stance that “Celts lied, or Celts should have known, or even Celts enabled”..

Can we stop with the my theory bullshit and stick to facts?
 

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It's really, really clear that someone on the Udoka side did the leaking.
they've shaped the narrative, they've gotten consensual as the key word. The Cs, I'm betting, could completely blow up Udoka here, and they aren't. They're taking hits because they're keeping largely quiet--they're the good guys here, pretty clearly.
It's going to come out eventually so if it's truly terrible, the narrative is going to blow up in his face.
 

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My theory, and maybe it is too much is that Shank or the Globe went on a fishing expedition about Ime, and maybe found a past transgression or two, or who knows maybe more.

With that knowledge he wanted to put Brad and Wyc on the spot, with the hope that they said something like “we did an extensive work up on Ime prior to hiring him, or even, no we are not aware of any prior events”

The Globe then writes an article with whatever information they obtained with the stance that “Celts lied, or Celts should have known, or even Celts enabled”..
When was the last time the Globe sports section did the kind of digging you are suggesting here—-has it occurred once since the 1980s? They are sadly now a collection of opinion writers (like Shank, and on the better side Chad Finn) who don’t do investigative research, beat writers who color in between the lines exclusively, and Alex Speier.
 

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When was the last time the Globe sports section did the kind of digging you are suggesting here—-has it occurred once since the 1980s? They are sadly now a collection of opinion writers (like Shank, and on the better side Chad Finn) who don’t do investigative research, beat writers who color in between the lines exclusively, and Alex Speier.
You mean Bob Hohler's not on this?
 

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I'll repeat the point I tried to make yesterday - the Celtics are to be congratulated for trying to do the right thing here instead of sweeping misbehavior under the rug because of "banners" or something, the way so many other sports franchises have done in the past and continue to do today. Its a shame that this all has happened, but that is entirely on Udoka. People who jumped on the "Celtics ownership is racist" tropes floating around yesterday and today should be ashamed of themselves.
Absolutely.

They were two wins away from a title and are the front runner to win it all this year; ownership 100% did not want this to turn out the way it did, good on them for doing the right thing and putting that before winning at all costs.

Kudos to them; anyone saying the "Celtics ownership is racist" is beyond clueless.
 

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My guess is that JB and JT are gone. I'd put Jimmy Fund dollars on it. Who wants to put up with this shit?

Clippers? LA? Dallas?
When is your deadline? I mean if they leave in 2 years or so does that count? Do you mean by the end of training camp? The trade deadline? 2024?
 

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This is wild. I definitely thought it was an odd length when it came out (and given Boston's reputation nationally, was sure the national discourse was going to be a different focus) but as things are coming to the surface, this is looking really bad.
In other words you thought the focus would be on Boston's history of racism and Ime's struggles to fit into Boston society as an African American. However it has not gone that way
 

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As details of Udoka‘s behavior after the affair break up becomes public, he’s going to end up looking even worse, and it will be apparent that the Celtics had to discipline him. Depending on the severity of the details, it might be a while before he gets another head-coaching job. If the post break up contact was not ugly, and just against the will of the female in the affair, he might be back in the league as soon as next season.

How he handles this penalty will go a long way toward how he is accepted in the league again by the ownership of the Celtics and of other teams. I’m guessing he’s done with the Celtics.