Jets Week 2

5dice · Dec 22, 2015

C4CRVT said:
A few things that have captured my interest this week:

Winning this game is probably less important overall than the team health improving.

Injuries at WR and S:

WR- With Amendola having re-aggravated his knee, it'll be interesting to see what happens this week at WR. Edelman has now been practicing for nearly 2 weeks. If Amendola sits (which he probably should), does Edelman get a few snaps? WR depth chart today is LaFell- Martin-Hankerson- Slater. If my memory serves me, when Amendola was out Bolden lined up wide on more than a few snaps. Will they go back to this? My gut is that Martin is going to emerge as more of a go-to guy in this game. If we see primarily deep bombs to Lafell and up the right sideline with Chandler, I might start to feel a little grumpy.

S- Given Chung's hip and DMC's high ankle sprain, it may make sense to sit them this week. That leave us with Harmon-Wilson-Richards-Ebner and King on the depth chart. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me can give us an idea of how those 5 might get deployed. It would be surprising (to me) if Chung and DMC don't use this week to get healthy and get some snaps for the other guys on the depth chart.

The last time we played the Jets, the secondary had a tough time matching up with the big 2. Decker and Marshall have 4-6" of height advantage over most of the secondary (other than 6'-2" rookie S King). This would be a great game for the front 7 to beast, keeping some of the pressure off of a secondary that may be a bit mismatched and/or inexperienced.

The way things have gone with new players being introduced to game time, it would be a little surprising to see Jackson this week. I'm very curious to see if he'll get snaps and if so, how many and what type? Is he better than the current in-house alternatives?

Overall, I'm viewing this game with more of a sense of curiosity than a sense of urgency.

They can double Marshall with Butler/Ryan and Harmon as a duo as in game one. That leaves a hard height matchup with Decker for either Butler or Ryan.
These two are responsible for 69% of all WR and TE catches (excluding RB catches here) and 84% of WR/TE touchdowns on the year.
In game one vs Pats, Decker caught 6 of 12 targets for 94 and Marshall caught 4 of 7 targets for 67 yards. I think limiting Decker is the key factor. Get your leaping shoes on, Malcolm.

Super Nomario · Dec 22, 2015

C4CRVT said:
WR- With Amendola having re-aggravated his knee, it'll be interesting to see what happens this week at WR. Edelman has now been practicing for nearly 2 weeks. If Amendola sits (which he probably should), does Edelman get a few snaps? WR depth chart today is LaFell- Martin-Hankerson- Slater. If my memory serves me, when Amendola was out Bolden lined up wide on more than a few snaps. Will they go back to this? My gut is that Martin is going to emerge as more of a go-to guy in this game. If we see primarily deep bombs to Lafell and up the right sideline with Chandler, I might start to feel a little grumpy.

Expect to be grumpy. Remember: the other teams plays defense, too. If you're playing the Pats with a missing / limited Edelman and Amendola, wouldn't you press the crap out of their WR and dare them to beat press coverage with fades (a standard route adjustment to press)? I'm sure McDaniels will have some stacks / bunches / motion and some tricks to get guys open, but I'd be surprised if the Jets don't try to take away the short stuff and make the Pats beat them over the top. Wouldn't you?

C4CRVT said:
S- Given Chung's hip and DMC's high ankle sprain, it may make sense to sit them this week. That leave us with Harmon-Wilson-Richards-Ebner and King on the depth chart. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me can give us an idea of how those 5 might get deployed. It would be surprising (to me) if Chung and DMC don't use this week to get healthy and get some snaps for the other guys on the depth chart.

King hasn't played on D all year. Wilson and Ebner are like Chung in that Belichick / Patricia don't trust them deep but use them underneath. Harmon will fill McCourty's role, obviously not as well, but still OK. From what I can tell, they've used Richards in a variety of roles, both deep and underneath. I think the safety group will be OK, but we might see fewer 3 S sets than typical.

C4CRVT said:
The way things have gone with new players being introduced to game time, it would be a little surprising to see Jackson this week. I'm very curious to see if he'll get snaps and if so, how many and what type? Is he better than the current in-house alternatives?

I think we will see Jackson this week just to get him some live bullets. With the limits on number of full-pads practices in the new CBA, it makes sense to take advantage of any opportunity they have to get him comfortable with game speed and contact. I'm guessing he gets like two series, 10-15 plays.

dabombdig · Dec 22, 2015

With Jackson versatility and blocking ability in the passing game - I wonder if it would make sense to try some two back sets in the passing game. Could get creative with motioning White to the slot, or Gronk and Jackson in the backfield with White lined out wide. I don't imagine they will have a huge package for Jackson, but he does have some familiarity with McDaniel's and the Pats are not exactly loaded with offensive options here.

I do think that they are going to have to get creative in the passing game, because running the ball against this front with the Pats O-line is most likely and effort in futility.

TheoShmeo · Dec 22, 2015

dabombdig said:
With Jackson versatility and blocking ability in the passing game - I wonder if it would make sense to try some two back sets in the passing game. Could get creative with motioning White to the slot, or Gronk and Jackson in the backfield with White lined out wide. I don't imagine they will have a huge package for Jackson, but he does have some familiarity with McDaniel's and the Pats are not exactly loaded with offensive options here.

I do think that they are going to have to get creative in the passing game, because running the ball against this front with the Pats O-line is most likely and effort in futility.

With Amendola out and Edelman likely still out*, I think White in the slot at times makes sense, whether Jackson is in the backfield or not. The alternative, I guess, is Martin in the slot (with LaFell and Hankerson on the outside).

* And I hope I am wrong about that.

Shelterdog · Dec 22, 2015

Super Nomario said:
Expect to be grumpy. Remember: the other teams plays defense, too. If you're playing the Pats with a missing / limited Edelman and Amendola, wouldn't you press the crap out of their WR and dare them to beat press coverage with fades (a standard route adjustment to press)? I'm sure McDaniels will have some stacks / bunches / motion and some tricks to get guys open, but I'd be surprised if the Jets don't try to take away the short stuff and make the Pats beat them over the top. Wouldn't you?

Exactly. People have been getting mad that Brady's going downfield too much instead of going with the short stuff but it's not like Brady forgot that he likes going for high percentage short to medium passes--it's that the short passes aren't open and he's getting favorable coverage on the outside and just isn't connecting as much as we want.

Morgan's Magic Snowplow · Dec 22, 2015

I won't be surprised if we lose this game but I won't be all that upset either. Without Rex in the picture, I can't muster the same level of antagonism toward the Jets and I'd rather have them in the playoffs than one of the Steelers/Chiefs/Broncos. I'd obviously still rather win, lock up the #1 seed, and have the option of resting players week 17. But if we lose and have to win week 17 against a poor Dolphins team that completely mailed it in last Sunday against the Chargers, it won't be a disaster.

ShaneTrot · Dec 22, 2015

The AFC East has played two pitiful divisions. Looking at the Jets schedule, they have no wins over a team that has a > .500 record right now. They have losses to the Bills, Raiders, and Texans.
If the Pats, don't turn over the ball and the ST don't suck they should win.

koufax32 · Dec 22, 2015

1st seed would be great but losing it to CIN is not something that scares me at all. Err on the side of caution with these injuries as much as possible.

loshjott · Dec 22, 2015

Captaincoop · Dec 22, 2015

Not playing Denver at altitude is the key.

nothumb · Dec 22, 2015

5dice said:
They can double Marshall with Butler/Ryan and Harmon as a duo as in game one. That leaves a hard height matchup with Decker for either Butler or Ryan.
These two are responsible for 69% of all WR and TE catches (excluding RB catches here) and 84% of WR/TE touchdowns on the year.
In game one vs Pats, Decker caught 6 of 12 targets for 94 and Marshall caught 4 of 7 targets for 67 yards. I think limiting Decker is the key factor. Get your leaping shoes on, Malcolm.

Will be interested to see how they play this one. In the first matchup it seemed they were content to double Marshall and let Malcolm compete with Decker one on one. Decker got some yards but the Pats got the win. I am guessing they will mix it up a bit more this time based on the situation, and sometimes double Decker if they think he's the first read.

genoasalami · Dec 22, 2015

I will be in NYC and picked up two tix on stubhub...anyone been to MetLife? Any tips besides don't wear a Brady jersey?

kenneycb · Dec 22, 2015

Wear a Brady jersey.

amarshal2 · Dec 22, 2015

Wear a Revis Super Bowl jersey.

nivek · Dec 22, 2015

My cousin is Giants ST holder. I go to a few games w/him every year including the Pats game and Jets game a few weeks ago. You may get a few comments in your direction but hopefully that's it. I like the stadium myself and am baffled that for a team that has not one shit in my 45 years how loud mouthed some Jets fans can be.

TomTerrific · Dec 22, 2015

amarshal2 said:
Wear a Revis Super Bowl jersey.

Nicely done

luckiestman · Dec 22, 2015

nivek said:
My cousin is Giants ST holder. I go to a few games w/him every year including the Pats game and Jets game a few weeks ago. You may get a few comments in your direction but hopefully that's it. I like the stadium myself and am baffled that for a team that has not one shit in my 45 years how loud mouthed some Jets fans can be.

True, Red Sox fans were all choir boys until 2004

loshjott · Dec 22, 2015

Not to mention Pats fans before 2001.

BigSoxFan · Dec 22, 2015

I went last year. You'll be fine as long as you don't go out of your way to be a douchebag. There will be some regrettable comments that would make a Carolina Panthers secondary member proud but that's it.

TheoShmeo · Dec 22, 2015

genoasalami said:
I will be in NYC and picked up two tix on stubhub...anyone been to MetLife? Any tips besides don't wear a Brady jersey?

No problem wearing a Brady jersey as long as you're relatively calm...generally.

I've heard my share of extremely regrettable comments, both directed at me and other Pats fans. But I've been to over ten Pats-Jets games over the years and it's never gotten worse than that.

There will be a lot of Pats fans on site and a lot of them will be in Pats colors.

genoasalami · Dec 22, 2015

TheoShmeo said:
No problem wearing a Brady jersey as long as you're relatively calm...generally.

I've heard my share of extremely regrettable comments, both directed at me and other Pats fans. But I've been to over ten Pats-Jets games over the years and it's never gotten worse than that.

There will be a lot of Pats fans on site and a lot of them will be in Pats colors.

Thank you ..my 15 year old daughter is itching to wear a Pats hat ...guess it's OK as long as she doesn't drink and pick a fight.

bsj · Dec 23, 2015

I'm considering buying tickets if prices come down. Not going to pay more for Jets-Patriots than Giants-Patriots were going for. Prices are still over $175 a pop for nosebleeds. I'll watch on my flat screen at those prices.

bsj · Dec 23, 2015

TheoShmeo said:
No problem wearing a Brady jersey as long as you're relatively calm...generally.

I've heard my share of extremely regrettable comments, both directed at me and other Pats fans. But I've been to over ten Pats-Jets games over the years and it's never gotten worse than that.

There will be a lot of Pats fans on site and a lot of them will be in Pats colors.

Not 100% sure of the Jets crowd....but most road fans (MOST) will also go easy if you have a kid with you. In fact, at Yankees-Sox games, I've been there in a Sox hat with my young kids, watching quietly, being cursed at, and Ive had OTHER MFY fans getting on the hecklers.

Not sure if you have a kid, but may want to consider getting one if not

H78 · Dec 23, 2015

I'm honestly expecting a 28-21 Jets win. They have more to play for this week, lately they've been giving us extremely physical, close games, both our slot receivers will (or at least should) be out, Hightower should be out or limited, and lately Fitzpatrick has been playing extremely well.

If the Pats win I'll be pumped to lock the #1 seed, but I think they should focus on that in Miami (who has all but quit the last few weeks) and then use the bye to get everyone rested. Win the more favorable game when you're less beat up, then rest. These guys don't need to get themselves all banged up against a highly motivated Jets team just to have nearly three weeks off going into the Divisional Round. Playing it safe then enjoying two weeks of rest would suffice; this is the week where BB would be wise to give his roster a bit of a break.

dcmissle · Dec 23, 2015

"Who has all but quit the last few weeks ...", referencing Miami.

That was said here about the Eagles just a few weeks ago.

These games often go in a different direction. You lock up what you can lock up as soon as you can lock it up.

loshjott · Dec 23, 2015

With the very big caveat about monitoring the walking wounded, I think the Pats will go all out on this one. They've only beaten two likely AFC playoff teams all season (one if you don't include the Jets) and this solid Jets team is a much better tune up for post-season than they'll see next week. Plus they haven't locked up the #1 seed. And it's a chance to knock the Jets out of the playoffs which every Patriot will want to do, not because of who they want to face in the playoffs, but because Jets.

H78 · Dec 23, 2015

dcmissle said:
"Who has all but quit the last few weeks ...", referencing Miami.

That was said here about the Eagles just a few weeks ago.

These games often go in a different direction. You lock up what you can lock up as soon as you can lock it up.

Yeah but worst case scenario is we lose both and get the #2 seed. Whether Cinci or Denver get the #1, any team likely to play them in the divisional round has a legitimate chance of beating them anyways, and even if they don't, you go into Cinci likely sans Dalton with a *healthy* squad or Denver, where planets had to align for us to lose last time, with a *healthy* squad.

The Jets are a very physical team looking for a playoff spot, and they'll be at home in front of what will be a crazy crowd. All I'm saying is I wouldn't push anyone who's banged up (Hightower, Dola, Edelman) to play this week just because Patriots fans hate the Jets and want to see them bounced from playoff contention.

The only thing more important than the #1 seed right now - seeing how at worst we're the #2 and already clinched the bye - is getting and keeping everyone healthy. This team, at full health, can beat anyone in the AFC on the road...which is an unlikely situation regardless because of Miami in Week 17.

TheoShmeo · Dec 23, 2015

bsj said:
Not 100% sure of the Jets crowd....but most road fans (MOST) will also go easy if you have a kid with you. In fact, at Yankees-Sox games, I've been there in a Sox hat with my young kids, watching quietly, being cursed at, and Ive had OTHER MFY fans getting on the hecklers.

Not sure if you have a kid, but may want to consider getting one if not

That is usually true.

About 12 years ago, a Jets fan leaned over between my wife and my then 12-year old daughter and said loudly enough for both of them to hear that he wanted to fuck my daughter. She was not a particularly precocious girl and if anything was quite small for her age. I was three seats over and did not hear the comment, and my wife was smart enough to not tell me until we got out of there. She did tell security who just shrugged and said something about us being Pats fans.

To be clear, I think this is an outlier story.

To be clear, having kids at a Jets game is not a cure all.

And no, my wife has never been back to a Jets-Pats game in NY.

DJnVa · Dec 23, 2015

That guy's defining characteristic was that he was an asshole, not a Jets fan.

H78 · Dec 23, 2015

I've been to two Pats/Jets games in New York.

The first, in 2011, was everything you hear about NY fans: obnoxious, black-out drunks repeatedly threatening you throughout the whole game because your'e wearing a Pat Patriot hat. After a Pats touchdown, I remember one old lady - I mean, we're talking late 60's or even 70? - turning around to my friends and I (who were minding our own business) and saying, "I'm sure the three of you can't wait to be sucking Bill Belichick's [male genitalia] after the game!" I was both shocked and doing everything I could not to burst out in laughter. I had a freakin' grandmother telling me this!

Later in the game a drunk piece of trash started trying to pick a fight with my friend, who is kind of a lanky dude who clearly has never been in a fight in his life. He was telling him he was going to beat the fuck out of his Tom Brady "loving" ass, etc, etc. No other Jets fans around him did anything to quiet him down, in fact, they kept egging him on even though my friend was literally standing there doing absolutely nothing.

After the game (and Pats blowout win), the same friend and I were throwing a football around in the parking lot. These three HAMMERED Jets fans next to us start making fun of my friend, saying he can't catch or throw a football, etc, etc.

After about 10 minutes of hearing them run their mouth, I asked one of them if they wanted to step in for him. I was a D3 pitcher in college that threw in the low 90's, so unbeknownst to him, I knew I was going to absolutely fire the football at this asshole the minute he got in front of me. Low and behold, he steps in front of me, saying something along the lines of "let's see it!" and I fucking unloaded that thing at his head. He jumped out of the way at the last second, hitting the floor in front of his two other friends, who instantly redirected their bullshit from my friend to him. It was the perfect way to end the night.

When I went last year I literally didn't catch any shit from anyone. I think it's because the Jets were terrible, unlike back in 2011 when there were still high expectations of the team. Seeing how they're competitive again this year, I'd expect the worst.

TheoShmeo · Dec 23, 2015

DrewDawg said:
That guy's defining characteristic was that he was an asshole, not a Jets fan.

No kidding.

I'm the same person who told Genoa up thread that most of the time there is no problem going to Jets games in Pats colors. Indeed, most years, nothing at all happens.

I will say that in my experience there is a larger than normal element of the Jets crowd that is pretty aggressive and vile. But only verbally. I haven't seen many fights or near fights. And it's unavoidably true that Jets fans hate Pats fans A LOT given the proximity of the teams, the NY-Boston thing in all sports, the sheer number of Pats fans who go to every game at 16W Stadium, and the fact that the Pats have been so good for so long. Among other reasons, I assume.

Rico Guapo · Dec 23, 2015

H78 said:
When I went last year I literally didn't catch any shit from anyone. I think it's because the Jets were terrible, unlike back in 2011 when there were still high expectations of the team. Seeing how they're competitive again this year, I'd expect the worst.

This. So much this. I wouldn't bring a minor into that stadium this weekend.

PedraMartina · Dec 23, 2015

To pick up on a point several others have touched on, I think the way BB handles this differently than he would if we didn't have #2 locked up and the opportunity to get #1 the following week is to sit guys who are ready to play but at a risk of reaggravating an injury. So I think we play "all out" but w/out our starting ML, both starting safeties, our top two receivers, and maybe Gronk. I also can't help wondering (particularly given the time BB instructed Cassell to throw the game away against Miami to manipulate seeding) if BB sees a silver lining to defeat of reducing the odds of facing the Steelers. Not that I think that would determine decisions on who plays...but it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't see that as a potential benefit to the otherwise-undesired outcome.

TheoShmeo · Dec 23, 2015

PedraMartina said:
To pick up on a point several others have touched on, I think the way BB handles this differently than he would if we didn't have #2 locked up and the opportunity to get #1 the following week is to sit guys who are ready to play but at a risk of reaggravating an injury. So I think we play "all out" but w/out our starting ML, both starting safeties, our top two receivers, and maybe Gronk. I also can't help wondering (particularly given the time BB instructed Cassell to throw the game away against Miami to manipulate seeding) if BB sees a silver lining to defeat of reducing the odds of facing the Steelers. Not that I think that would determine decisions on who plays...but it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't see that as a potential benefit to the otherwise-undesired outcome.

That Miami game was the last game of the season and losing helped them vis-a-vis the playoff match-up (got them a weak Jax team).

Here BB would be putting it all on the Miami game. I know Miami was terrible last week against the Chargers. But Miami has been a tough location for the BB Brady Pats and if the Pats lose to the Jets, it will become the Fins' SB. Not that the Pats cannot win that game -- and I think they would -- but it's a ballsy move to tacitly concede the Jets game, as they did when they seemingly ordered Cassell to throw that ball away.

I get that there is a long way between conceding and silver linings. I just would like to see the Pats make the last game be an exhibition game when they can rest anyone and everyone who needs resting with impunity. And knocking of the MFJs would be nice.

loshjott · Dec 23, 2015

TheoShmeo said:
No kidding.

I'm the same person who told Genoa up thread that most of the time there is no problem going to Jets games in Pats colors. Indeed, most years, nothing at all happens.

I will say that in my experience there is a larger than normal element of the Jets crowd that is pretty aggressive and vile. But only verbally. I haven't seen many fights or near fights. And it's unavoidably true that Jets fans hate Pats fans A LOT given the proximity of the teams, the NY-Boston thing in all sports, the sheer number of Pats fans who go to every game at 16W Stadium, and the fact that the Pats have been so good for so long. Among other reasons, I assume.

The general inferiority complex of Jets fans viz a viz the Giants, and the fact the Giants have humbled the Pats twice during this run, is another big part of it.

Mugsy's Jock · Dec 23, 2015

nivek said:
My cousin is Giants ST holder. I go to a few games w/him every year including the Pats game and Jets game a few weeks ago. You may get a few comments in your direction but hopefully that's it. I like the stadium myself and am baffled that for a team that has not one shit in my 45 years how loud mouthed some Jets fans can be.

It's remarkable to me how much worse the environment is at MetLife for Jets games than for Giants games. I find Jets crowds significantly more homophobic/anti-woman/spoiling for a fight/foul-mouthed than their Giants counterparts. Plus the women at Giants games are better-looking.

Edit: I'll be in section 339, and taking the bus from Port Authority

TheoShmeo · Dec 23, 2015

Mugsy's Jock said:
It's remarkable to me how much worse the environment is at MetLife for Jets games than for Giants games. I find Jets crowds significantly more homophobic/anti-woman/spoiling for a fight/foul-mouthed than their Giants counterparts. Plus the women at Giants games are better-looking.

Edit: I'll be in section 339, and taking the bus from Port Authority

I would have agreed with that comment until the most recent Giants-Pats game. The Giants fans near me were utterly indistinguishable from Jets fans. They just loved their status as Pats killers and the fact that the Pats were then undefeated, giving the Giants a chance to rain on the Pats again (obviously in a much less important game for the Giants), amped up the testosterone level for many of them, apparently.

I will be in 338, row 4, if you want to try to say hello at half time or before the game.

soxhop411 · Dec 23, 2015

“@jeffphowe: Brandon LaFell (foot) and Nate Ebner (ankle) suffered new injuries.”

soxhop411 · Dec 23, 2015

rslm · Dec 23, 2015

Interesting (and good news, I think) that Chung's limited participation is due to foot. No mention of hip or ribs.

genoasalami · Dec 23, 2015

Mugsy's Jock said:
It's remarkable to me how much worse the environment is at MetLife for Jets games than for Giants games. I find Jets crowds significantly more homophobic/anti-woman/spoiling for a fight/foul-mouthed than their Giants counterparts. Plus the women at Giants games are better-looking.

Edit: I'll be in section 339, and taking the bus from Port Authority

I'll be in midtown for a few days...is the bus from the Port Authority the best public transportation option? thanks!

Mugsy's Jock · Dec 23, 2015

genoasalami said:
I'll be in midtown for a few days...is the bus from the Port Authority the best public transportation option? thanks!

Yup, the bus is the way to go. Takes maybe 20 minutes even when there's traffic to get there. Coming back there may be a 15-20 minute line, but that's no longer than it would take to get out of the lot if you drive. I think it's six bucks each way.

There's a train too, but you need to change and it can take a lot longer to get on after the game.

dynomite · Dec 24, 2015

Reposting this from the game thread because this article is AMAZING. Some of it covers similar territory as a few prior articles, but there are a number of specific plays broken down as well as I've seen anywhere.

Anyone interested in the Xs and Os of the Patriots passing offense should give this a read. It is truly fabulous.

brandonchristensen said:
Really excellent article from the Jets side about the Pats offense

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/12/23/10644776/jets-patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-offense-nyj-new-england-new-york-week-16

StupendousMan · Dec 24, 2015

^^^^
Seconded. It's a great piece.

PseuFighter · Dec 24, 2015

i'll probably be going to this one last minute if i can wake up at a normal hour on sunday.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Dec 24, 2015

dynomite said:
Reposting this from the game thread because this article is AMAZING. Some of it covers similar territory as a few prior articles, but there are a number of specific plays broken down as well as I've seen anywhere.

Anyone interested in the Xs and Os of the Patriots passing offense should give this a read. It is truly fabulous.

Thanks Dynomite, that was excellent. I've seen and read plenty of breakdowns on the Pats offense but this might be the best. Great read for Pats fans.

dcmissle · Dec 24, 2015

+3. That was great piece. Thanks for posting it.

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