DegenerateSoxFan said:What's he in for? Booze? Yeyo? All of the above?
kelpapa said:He entered Wednesday, but it wasn't reported until the day after the Super Bowl. Smart move by his PR team, and a pretty good job keeping it under wraps.
Stitch01 said:Glad he took this step.
Could not agree more with all of the above.Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:Yes. Someone should put those tight-lipped M-er F-ers in charge of (bogus) NFL Investigations.
maufman said:Manziel's rookie year was a train wreck. This provides a plausible, and potentially fixable, explanation for that. In my book, his stock is higher now than it was a week ago.
maufman said:Manziel's rookie year was a train wreck. This provides a plausible, and potentially fixable, explanation for that. In my book, his stock is higher now than it was a week ago.
Marciano490 said:Does every player get tested at least once during the year? If so, how's he pass the drug tests?
soxfan121 said:
Once, on a date you're informed of ahead of time*. Only after you flunk the one test that you're allowed to study for are you "in the program". Draftees, at the combine.
Anyone failing a test has no discipline. Hernandez beat this system.
*You can also get "randomly" tested like Earl Thomas was last week. However, that process is murky and shady as all hell. Thomas gets tested...Ray "Deer Antler Spray" Lewis did not.
Jnai said:
Does it? I understand addiction is a disease, he should get help, treatment is good, the guy should get his life together, etc., but we're talking about a very specific career here: NFL QB. One of the things that makes Brady so successful is not only that he's the hardest worker and the hardest competitor but also that he's a credible leader. He needs to be the guy that everyone in the lockerroom looks up to and trusts with the game on the line. I'm not trying to romanticize shit, but it's got to be harder to do that as a recovering addict.
Well he sure is a gigantic Ass!!dcmissle said:This story so far is the NFL version of the Kardashians..
Oh, I'm sure this is all true. If Manziel had an impressive rookie year, this would be bad news for his football prospects. But Manziel isn't the football version of Darryl Strawberry or Dwight Gooden -- his rookie year was so bad that pretty much anything that explains his failure and has the potential to be different going forward should be welcome news for the Browns and their fans.Jnai said:
Does it? I understand addiction is a disease, he should get help, treatment is good, the guy should get his life together, etc., but we're talking about a very specific career here: NFL QB. One of the things that makes Brady so successful is not only that he's the hardest worker and the hardest competitor but also that he's a credible leader. He needs to be the guy that everyone in the lockerroom looks up to and trusts with the game on the line. I'm not trying to romanticize shit, but it's got to be harder to do that as a recovering addict.
Thomas got tested under the new HGH testing that came in this year, separate system where a computer spits out a list of 6 players off 8 teams every week.soxfan121 said:
Once, on a date you're informed of ahead of time*. Only after you flunk the one test that you're allowed to study for are you "in the program". Draftees, at the combine.
Anyone failing a test has no discipline. Hernandez beat this system.
*You can also get "randomly" tested like Earl Thomas was last week. However, that process is murky and shady as all hell. Thomas gets tested...Ray "Deer Antler Spray" Lewis did not.
Only a recovering addict who stays clean. Let's hope he is willing to listen and do whatever it takes.drleather2001 said:
I think it would be a lot easier to accept leadership from a recovering addict than from a guy who can't even get his own shit together.
He's Ryan Leaf. I've already set my DVR for the Manziel 30 for 30 that'll air in 2025.maufman said:Oh, I'm sure this is all true. If Manziel had an impressive rookie year, this would be bad news for his football prospects. But Manziel isn't the football version of Darryl Strawberry or Dwight Gooden -- his rookie year was so bad that pretty much anything that explains his failure and has the potential to be different going forward should be welcome news for the Browns and their fans.
Actually in my experience, the second step is the most critical step.mauidano said:The First Step is the hardest I suppose. I hope he gets his shit together. Pulling for him and anyone who is willing to try. First and foremost he needs to be " a better person". He's got a lot more living to do after Johnny Football fades away.
Okay, that being said; I'm not betting on him. I think his personality is what it is. But I'm pulling for him. But yeah, Ryan Fucking Leaf.
Jnai said:
Does it? I understand addiction is a disease, he should get help, treatment is good, the guy should get his life together, etc., but we're talking about a very specific career here: NFL QB. One of the things that makes Brady so successful is not only that he's the hardest worker and the hardest competitor but also that he's a credible leader. He needs to be the guy that everyone in the lockerroom looks up to and trusts with the game on the line. I'm not trying to romanticize shit, but it's got to be harder to do that as a recovering addict.
Papelbon's Poutine said:Ya know, other than the Vicodin addiction and all...
johnmd20 said:
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. You can't be a leader b/c you don't drink and do drugs? You know who was sober and a QB? Brett Favre. Say what you will about him, his players would run through brick walls for him.
Jnai said:
The stupidest thing you have ever read is the idea that a recovering addict will have a hard time being an NFL QB?
johnmd20 said:
Yes. It was especially surprising to read such an uninformed comment from someone who is as overly thoughtful as you. Everyone has a blind spot.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:Lots of rumors going around that the Browns are trying to trade Manziel (talk about selling low) and interested in trading up for Mariota, which would no doubt cost them a bundle, including both of their first round picks.
Just a complete nightmare since they re-entered the League. A new owner who barely escapes indictment and everything else the last 18 months or so. They define churn and burn.Lots of rumors going around that the Browns are trying to trade Manziel (talk about selling low) and interested in trading up for Mariota, which would no doubt cost them a bundle, including both of their first round picks.
Imagine an alternative universe where they had drafted Odell Beckham and Teddy Bridgewater last year with their first rounders...
Being a Browns fan must be so awful.
Yeah, about all that.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:Lots of rumors going around that the Browns are trying to trade Manziel (talk about selling low) and interested in trading up for Mariota, which would no doubt cost them a bundle, including both of their first round picks.
Imagine an alternative universe where they had drafted Odell Beckham and Teddy Bridgewater last year with their first rounders...
Being a Browns fan must be so awful.
At a time when the franchise is bracing for potentially significant penalties for violating the rules regarding in-game electronic communications, the Browns have jammed their way through a loophole that allows their technically-not-hired-yet quarterbacks coach to work with one of the top quarterback prospects in the draft — at a time when none of the other teams can even talk to him.
As noted earlier by Gantt, future Browns quarterbacks coach Kevin O’Connell currently is working with quarterback Marcus Mariota. Since the Browns haven’t officially hired O’Connell yet, the eventual employee can do things that he couldn’t do if he weren’t currently an employee.
“So let me get this straight,” a high-level executive with another team told PFT on Wednesday morning. “The Browns can have their quarterbacks coach in waiting work with a player, teach him the entire offense, etc., but we can’t even talk to any potential draft pick until the Combine per league rules? Something is wrong here.”
The untimely death of Al Lerner looms large. I don't think the Browns would've had the same subpar leadership at the top if he were running the show.dcmissle said:Just a complete nightmare since they re-entered the League. A new owner who barely escapes indictment and everything else the last 18 months or so. They define churn and burn.
Making it worse, they have had individuals in there with talent from time to time. For example, I think Holmgren was overrated, but you have to acknowledge he is professional. Nothing seems to work, and they can't get out of their own way.
If this rumor is true, it's going to suck for the Eagles too.
RedOctober3829 said:https://twitter.com/goon356/status/580844412290359296
Dick Pole Upside said:Looks like "our" Gronk is in the background there.
People/places/things... doesn't look like Manziel learned anything in rehab...
As a guy I know has said, he might as well have used if he hasn't already. People places and thingsDrewDawg said:
He is. Scroll through that guys tweets and he's clearly close with Rob--he was on the field after the Super Bowl.
And at least the Manziel pic didn't show him with a bottle of beer in each hand.
Robert Goon is Rob Gronkowski's right hand man so to speak. I think he lives with him and gained fame as the "Gronk Party Bus" driver.DrewDawg said:
He is. Scroll through that guys tweets and he's clearly close with Rob--he was on the field after the Super Bowl.
And at least the Manziel pic didn't show him with a bottle of beer in each hand.
It's Josh of course. Based on my experience, I find this latest incident sad. Especially since so many assume that it's *just* alcohol. The guy was in rehab and any use of alcohol or other drugs means it's much more than a minor incident. What it really means is his life is a total fucking disaster and he is doomed unless he understands this. Based on his comments, he is in total denial.dcmissle said:IF and when John Gordon gets back next year, they'll make an awesome pair.
Honest question, not meant to be snarky... Isn't it possible that his rehab was a PR move and he isn't an alcoholic, but just needed to look like he was taking responsibility for being an ass?Dahabenzapple2 said:It's Josh of course. Based on my experience, I find this latest incident sad. Especially since so many assume that it's *just* alcohol. The guy was in rehab and any use of alcohol or other drugs means it's much more than a minor incident. What it really means is his life is a total fucking disaster and he is doomed unless he understands this. Based on his comments, he is in total denial.
Always possible but very few non-addicts/non-alcoholics end up in drug/alcohol rehab for whatever reason. It is very likely that Manziel *thinks* he isn't an addict/alcoholic. This is exceptionally common - even for those who are homeless/toothless/destitute, etc. This is called denial.PC Drunken Friar said:Honest question, not meant to be snarky... Isn't it possible that his rehab was a PR move and he isn't an alcoholic, but just needed to look like he was taking responsibility for being an ass?
Dahabenzapple2 said:It's Josh of course. Based on my experience, I find this latest incident sad. Especially since so many assume that it's *just* alcohol. The guy was in rehab and any use of alcohol or other drugs means it's much more than a minor incident. What it really means is his life is a total fucking disaster and he is doomed unless he understands this. Based on his comments, he is in total denial.
What were his comments? I watched the video and read the article.Dahabenzapple2 said:It's Josh of course. Based on my experience, I find this latest incident sad. Especially since so many assume that it's *just* alcohol. The guy was in rehab and any use of alcohol or other drugs means it's much more than a minor incident. What it really means is his life is a total fucking disaster and he is doomed unless he understands this. Based on his comments, he is in total denial.
Yesterday, news broke that Johnny Manziel got into some trouble with police in Avon, Ohio after getting into a roadside argument with his girlfriend on Monday. Manziel, who went to rehab this summer, admitted to drinking that afternoon. It was the biggest NFL story of the day. We covered it, as did every other sports outlet. Adam Schefter, the biggest NFL reporter in the biz, published a 318-word report to his Facebook page. It is nearly indistinguishable from Newsnet5 Cleveland’s initial report on the incident.
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Both reports have an extra comma in the first paragraph, which is not ironclad evidence that Schefter copied and pasted the report outright, but it strongly suggests that is the case. The only alteration is Schefter’s removal of the phrase, “obtained exclusively by newsnet5.com,” in the third paragraph, which he moved to the bottom and changed slightly.
While that bottom line looks like attribution, he never links to the report, or says that the text of his post belongs to WEWS.
We’ve reached out to ESPN for comment, and will update when we hear back from them.