Jon Bones Jones tests positive for….Cocaine?

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You are probably right, NJ. How many times has he following question been asked (especially when referring to a star celebrity/athlete with tons of bank):
 
"The guy has so much to lose - why risk it?"
 
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Crazy that this likely has no impact on the decision in the Cormier fight or his standing, the quote I saw was: "The test that Jones failed was administered Dec. 4 and the substance in question was benzoylecgonine, the main metabolite in cocaine. Since benzoylecgonine is not banned out-of-competition, the Nevada Athletic Commission was unable to prevent Jones from competing against Daniel Cormier this past Saturday."
 
 
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What's he going to lose?
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I wrongly thought he might lose endorsement deals, hamper his future earnings and be at risk of suspension. Looks like he stands to lose nothing…perhaps even gaining "street cred" or whatever. Even Reebok is standing behind him. This is all kinds of screwed up. 
 
"Jon Jones: Best gram for gram fighter in MMA" ~ Some guys comment on ESPN message board.
 
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HurstSoGood said:
I wrongly thought he might lose endorsement deals, hamper his future earnings and be at risk of suspension. Looks like he stands to lose nothing…perhaps even gaining "street cred" or whatever. Even Reebok is standing behind him. This is all kinds of screwed up. 
 
"Jon Jones: Best gram for gram fighter in MMA" ~ Some guys comment on ESPN message board.
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All kinds of screwed up? This is going exactly according to plan. Rich, young, popular celebrity caught doing drugs during a random test... will do a voluntary rehab stint... may make some comments about how he didn't realize he had problems he wasn't dealing with and the coke was some sort of escape. Maybe he even fakes a few tears in the press conference. PR guy is all over this.
 
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It's a tough mentality.  You have to think of yourself as high crazed and invincible, but then stay away from recreational drugs because they might harm you.  Slender tightrope.  It's crazy, though, that diuretics are out and coke is in.
 
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Marciano490 said:
It's a tough mentality.  You have to think of yourself as high crazed and invincible, but then stay away from recreational drugs because they might harm you.  Slender tightrope.  It's crazy, though, that diuretics are out and coke is in.
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It probably has something to do with the fact that coke is awesome. Until it stops being awesome.
 
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I hope he gets cleaned up and can stay away from drug use. I'm not a fan of Jones, but he's already one of the best fighters ever. Hopefully he gives himself a fair shake at a long, stable career.
 
Unreal that someone like this can talk about keeping his body in top shape and eating cleanly, but at the same time do cocaine. A bit hypocritical. Godspeed in the recovery process.
 
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I'm a huge Jones fan. Doesn't sting, hurt, etc. He did something a lot of people in his position have done. I know being young, rich, and famous isn't an excuse. Stupid, cry for help, whatever it may be, it is unfortunate.
 
Hope he learns, gets clean, and lives well.
 
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Curll said:
I'm a huge Jones fan. Doesn't sting, hurt, etc. He did something a lot of people in his position have done. I know being young, rich, and famous isn't an excuse. Stupid, cry for help, whatever it may be, it is unfortunate.
 
Hope he learns, gets clean, and lives well.
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A lot of people in his position? I don't know what world you're in but coke is all over the place.
 
Like half the members of this forum are lawyers... I'm going to guess at least a few have done coke or still do.
 
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As crazy as it sounds, Jones getting busted for coke is actually helping him. His drug tests on 12/4 and 12/18 showed a very abnormal Testosterone : Epitestosterone ratio: .29:1 on the 4th and .19:1 on the 18th. The common explanation when this happens is that the person is cycling off PEDs, but a lot of the questions now are asking if cocaine abuse has the same effect.
 
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Also interesting is that these tests weren't supposed to be screened for cocaine in the first place. He is likely outraged that the positive cocaine metabolites test has come to light in public.
 
Like you say, it's probably a net positive for him, though.
 
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As crazy as it sounds, Jones getting busted for coke is actually helping him. His drug tests on 12/4 and 12/18 showed a very abnormal Testosterone : Epitestosterone ratio: .29:1 on the 4th and .19:1 on the 18th. The common explanation when this happens is that the person is cycling off PEDs, but a lot of the questions now are asking if cocaine abuse has the same effect.
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Are those within accepted ranges, though?
 
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From a mmajunkie article in 2012:
 
 
 
Statistics reveal that a ratio of up to 3.7:1 will capture 95 percent of all normal men, and a ratio of up to 5:1 will capture greater than 99 percent of all men. That’s why the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) allows up to 4:1 (so its test is at least 95 percent accurate) and the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the NCAA and some others allow up to 6:1 (for 99 percent accuracy). The whole goal is to not label someone a cheater when he or she isn’t. (Very, very rarely, some people are just freakishly high, but they have a ratio of less than 6:1).
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NSAC (Nevada Commission) allows 6/1 T/E ratio. WADA (World Anti-Doping) allows for 4/1. His was ~0.3, which it doesn't appear triggers a failed test, it's just considered abnormally low (even for athletes) by unnamed expert sources.
 
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Marciano490 said:
Are those within accepted ranges, though?
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Well, AFAIK the testing goes one way - testing for if the athete's T:E ratio is 4-6:1 (so only if testosterone is too high). Statistically this should capture 95% (3.7:1 T:E) to 99% (5:1 T:E) of the population. Using those numbers, Jones' ratio on one of the tests was sub-5th percentile and the other was sub 1st-percentile in terms of abnormally low testosterone.
 
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Couldn't it also be the result of a severe weight cut?  I didn't follow his camp, but anecdotally dropping weight always seemed to stifle my T levels.
 
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We're talking a month before his fight, so not really in severe weight-cut territory. These guys cut almost exclusively the day of the weigh-ins. Jones walks around pretty close to his training camp weight from all reports.
 
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