Heard he's been trying hard to move Bass and his expiring contract to no avail.wade boggs chicken dinner said:I'm sure DA has tried, but it's too bad we can't get Flip interested in one of our "Established Veterans" for Bennett.
Heard he's been trying hard to move Bass and his expiring contract to no avail.wade boggs chicken dinner said:I'm sure DA has tried, but it's too bad we can't get Flip interested in one of our "Established Veterans" for Bennett.
HomeRunBaker said:Heard he's been trying hard to move Bass and his expiring contract to no avail.
Statman said:NBA Store Discontinues Wiggins Cavaliers Jerseys.....
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HomeRunBaker said:This is part of what I do expect plus a pick from Philly......I feel the extra #1 is what Flip was waiting on which required a 3rd team. Minny gets a 1st rounder to swap Thad and Bennett.....which may even be beneficial to them if as you allude, Bennett turns out to be crap.
maufman said:Are we sure Bennett can shoot?
maufman said:I lean toward bowiac's view, because there doesn't appear to be any precedent for a player as bad as Bennett was last year becoming something more than a back-end rotation player (and Bennett needs to improve significantly just to be that).
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 18m
Sources: Cavs have agreement for Kevin Love, including long-term contract commitment. Wiggins, Bennett, pick to Minn. http://yhoo.it/XHoSQg
Don't the Celtics already own Cleveland's 2016 first-round pick? Did they pick up another one somewhere else?Brickowski said:According to Woj the terms of the Love trade have been finalized: Wiggins, Bennett and a protected 2016 first rounder for Love. Love has also committed to resign with Cleveland on a 5 year $120M deal.Works on the RealGM trade checker (after 8/23).
My error: it's a protected 2015 pick.Don't the Celtics already own Cleveland's 2016 first-round pick? Did they pick up another one somewhere else?
Brickowski said:My error: it's a protected 2015 pick.
I suspect Flip will package Bennett and some of his unwanted salaries to Philly for Young.I'm not so high on Wiggins or Bennett, plus the pick is a year away and protected. Nor did Flip dump any of his unwanted salaries. I don't see this as the best result for MN at all.
If Wiggins turns out to be the next Kobe, it's a good deal for MN. But I'll be surprised if that happens.
It's a very good deal for Cleveland, although IMHO as presently constructed they will have difficulty winning a championship unless Varejao stays healthy.
Brickowski said:I'm not so high on Wiggins or Bennett, plus the pick is a year away and protected. Nor did Flip dump any of his unwanted salaries.
The consensus #1 was Embiid before he got hurt. And I'm not so high on Parker, either.Not all consensus #1 picks are created equal. Being the consensus #1 in a year when a polished, athletic talent like Jabari Parker is also available is high praise. Wiggins is arguably the highest upside talent to enter the league since Derrick Rose.
It's not Cleveland's pick (which Chicago owns). The Cavs own protected 2015 first rounders from Memphis and Miami.I'm sure it's just covering all your bases, but pretty pessimistic on Cleveland's part to ask for a lottery protection on next year's pick.
Brickowski said:It's not Cleveland's pick (which Chicago owns). The Cavs own protected 2015 first rounders from Memphis and Miami.
Not sure what you think Minnesota could have gotten that was better than the number one overall pick in this year's draft. Wiggins may bust, but its helluva lot better of a return than what Golden State or Boston offered.Brickowski said:I'm not so high on Wiggins or Bennett, plus the pick is a year away and protected. Nor did Flip dump any of his unwanted salaries. I don't see this as the best result for MN at all.
If Wiggins turns out to be the next Kobe, it's a good deal for MN. But I'll be surprised if that happens.
It's a very good deal for Cleveland, although IMHO as presently constructed they will have difficulty winning a championship unless Varejao stays healthy.
Basketball was only a peripheral interest for me at the time, so I don't recall, but it seems like Jefferson was much more analogous to Klay Thompson. A good, young player, but one about to get paid, and probably pretty close to his upside. Consensus most places is that Wiggins is a better piece than Thompson, so I think the same would go for Wiggins vs. Jefferson.ALiveH said:Without digging it out again this is a lot less than the KG haul right? Wiggins was centerpiece of this one and Al Jeff was the centerpiece of that one. Big Al was already on the cusp of stardom & still very young, plus the Cs packaged several other young prospects.
IMHO Boston's rumored offer, which included Sullinger, THREE unprotected first rounders and maybe an additional player or two (Olynyk, Smart, Young?), plus the ability to include Bogans' non-guaranteed deal and take back unwanted salary from the Wolves, was overall a better package for a rebuilding team-- unless you really think Wiggins is the next Kobe. I don't. My view of him is pretty much the same as Bowiac's, except that he will take longer to develop than Wall or Griffin, both of whom had NBA bodies when drafted.Stitch01 said:Not sure what you think Minnesota could have gotten that was better than the number one overall pick in this year's draft. Wiggins may bust, but its helluva lot better of a return than what Golden State or Boston offered.
At 25, Kevin Love’s career has come to a turning point. He’s heading east to Cleveland, and that will make his life easier, in more ways than one. First off, it will get him out of that bloodbath the NBA calls its Western Conference. He will see less of Tim Duncan, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge, Serge Ibaka, Zach Randolph, and Anthony Davis. Second, he will be paired with LeBron James, the league’s ultimate rising tide.
Alongside James, open shots are easier to come by, there are fewer double teams, and there are more fast-break points. Lastly, and perhaps most relevant to his perimeter habits, a move to Cleveland will also put him alongside Miller, Irving, and Waiters. Relative to Ricky Rubio and Corey Brewer, these guys are all sensational jump shooters, and would likely represent the best 3-point shooting corps that Love has ever played with.
With Love’s move to Ohio, it’s hard to imagine anything but upticks in efficiency and downticks in his perimeter shooting. He’ll be in the middle of a much stronger offensive environment, chock full of better opportunities and easier matchups than what he saw in Minnesota. But perhaps most of all, he’ll be in a place where he can focus on his most important skill set — cleaning up on the glass. For the first time in years, he won’t be his team’s primary scoring option — he will be their primary rebounder.
Brickowski said:IMHO Boston's rumored offer, which included Sullinger, THREE unprotected first rounders and maybe an additional player or two (Olynyk, Smart, Young?), plus the ability to include Bogans' non-guaranteed deal and take back unwanted salary from the Wolves, was overall a better package for a rebuilding team-- unless you really think Wiggins is the next Kobe. I don't. My view of him is pretty much the same as Bowiac's, except that he will take longer to develop than Wall or Griffin, both of whom had NBA bodies when drafted.
That's pure speculation. I watched Wiggins 4-5 times last year, and I kept asking myself, "Where's the beef?"moly99 said:
The problem with the Celtics assets (for both this team and in a potential trade) is that none of them are likely to be stars. To use Bill Simmons' phrasing, four quarters doesn't equal one dollar in the NBA. Wiggins is a player Minnesota can build around. He likely won't be a Kevin Durant level player, but he will probably be as good as Russell Westbrook.
Brickowski said:That's pure speculation. I watched Wiggins 4-5 times last year, and I kept asking myself, "Where's the beef?"
It's hard to say where the Nets picks will fall. But yes, with Love the Celtics would probably be a 7-8 seed in the EC and their picks would be in the late teens. Plus Sullinger has proved that he can put up consistent double doubles in the NBA and would fill some of the rebounding void left by Love's departure. He's a known quantity and an improving player (who would have been a top 5 pick had he come out as a Freshman). But hey, I was never in favor of trading for Love, so I'm glad Flip sees it differently.drleather2001 said:
But taking flyers on picks that will likely be somewhere in the teens for the next few years isn't speculation?
So unless Wiggins turns out a Kobe-like level of stardom, trading one year of Kevin Love for him+ wasn't a good deal for the Wolves. Okay.Brickowski said:Well, I use "Kobe" as shorthand for level of stardom. Yes, Wiggins is a very different player, although at 195 lbs I don't see him mixing it up in the frontcourt any time soon.
I think your take on this is spot on except for one thing. Aside from Wiggins, nothing about the TWolves including Rubio will be fun to watch. They just went from bad to putrid for next season.Infield Infidel said:He's 19. He'll fill out a bit. His listed weight was 200 at Summer League.
I see his ceiling as a Grant Hill with a better outside shot, more hops and, ideally, intact ankles. Or I guess Scottie Pippen with worse defense and better shooting.
I don't see him as a 25+ ppg constant go-to scorer, more of a 20-25 ppg, all around player.
If his ball handling comes along he could be a good fit for the triangle, but even now, just getting up and down the court with a guy like Rubio will be fun to watch
Looking at Grant Hill's stats, it's eye opening how much his game fit the previous era. In his first five seasons, he took 121 total threes and made only 18%. He didn't even make a three in the lockout season. A wing superstar having almost no impact from 3 seems anachronistic. Even Wade took around one 3 per game in his early years. In Hill's sixth year, he was 34-98 from 3; he may have added it as a weapon if his ankle didn't give out. If Wiggins gives Minnesota one season as good as Hill's 96-97, the Wolves could feel good about the trade.Infield Infidel said:He's 19. He'll fill out a bit. His listed weight was 200 at Summer League.
I see his ceiling as a Grant Hill with a better outside shot, more hops and, ideally, intact ankles. Or I guess Scottie Pippen with worse defense and better shooting.
I don't see him as a 25+ ppg constant go-to scorer, more of a 20-25 ppg, all around player.
If his ball handling comes along he could be a good fit for the triangle, but even now, just getting up and down the court with a guy like Rubio will be fun to watch
Are you implying that Wiggins won't have an impact from behind the NBA arc? He has excellent form even from NBA range, a quick release, and shot a competent 34% as a 19-yr old. He projects to be a good to very good 3-point shooter so I'm not sure how Grant Hill's lack of these skills are even relevant.mandro ramtinez said:Looking at Grant Hill's stats, it's eye opening how much his game fit the previous era. In his first five seasons, he took 121 total threes and made only 18%. He didn't even make a three in the lockout season. A wing superstar having almost no impact from 3 seems anachronistic. Even Wade took around one 3 per game in his early years. In Hill's sixth year, he was 34-98 from 3; he may have added it as a weapon if his ankle didn't give out. If Wiggins gives Minnesota one season as good as Hill's 96-97, the Wolves could feel good about the trade.
I wasn't commenting on Wiggins potential from 3. It was just a digression on how little impact Hill had from 3 when he was at his healthy peak and how it would be tough to be an All-NBA wing in today's league while not at least attempting a 3 per game. I should have made that more clear.HomeRunBaker said:Are you implying that Wiggins won't have an impact from behind the NBA arc? He has excellent form even from NBA range, a quick release, and shot a competent 34% as a 19-yr old. He projects to be a good to very good 3-point shooter so I'm not sure how Grant Hill's lack of these skills are even relevant.
DannyDarwinism said:So unless Wiggins turns out a Kobe-like level of stardom, trading one year of Kevin Love for him+ wasn't a good deal for the Wolves. Okay.