Kirk and Callahan: Done
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Entercom and WEEI Management needs to be the one responsible for the reasons you stated. Entercom knows what the WEEI newer playbook is, enables Minihane, encourages WWE style fights amongst their own and other media members, and has been rewarded with high ratings.
Brady should dump them completely or at a minimum be done with the morning show.
I know it wasn't Kirk or Gerry that did this, but I still think the show needs to be punished (I know I sound ridiculous). Brady can stay on at EEI, just go on another show. Do the afternoon, either before or after Belichick. That would drive K&C crazy.
I was listening at the same time. Rich said: “Sup Tom Brady?” Maybe an effective trade of Boomer (who you can tell can’t stand Fred and always seemed to enjoy his previous interviews with D&C more) for Brady could be in the works for next year.
Entercom and the Patriots just announced an extension of their deal, part of which is Brady's weekly appearance.
http://www.weei.com/articles/press-release/new-england-patriots-and-entercom-announce-multi-year-extension-exclusive
As noted above, this is a team deal, Brady's contract with the team requires that he participate. I'm sure this will all be worked out, but regardless he's not going to be appearing on 98.5 any time soon.
Edit: To be clear, I haven't listened to WEEI in years and would love to have Brady interviewed by T&R, but it's not going to happen while Brady is still employed by the Pats.
Since Brady appears on WEEI as part of the station's "Patriots Monday/Patriots Friday" deal, which was just extended for "multiple years" last week, he's not going to be on any other station anytime soon. My guess is that without the deal between the team and the station, he wouldn't do any regular interviews.
Is it a part of Brady's Patriots contract or is it part of Entercom-Patriots deal? I can't see a part of his player contract requiring him to appear. If they offer Gronk up, the deal would probably be the same.
I'm speculating because obviously I've never seen Brady's contract, but I am guessing it is both. I know player contracts have certain media requirements for players, I am guessing Brady's requires him to participate in a weekly radio interview on a platform chosen by the Pats. Then when the Pats are shopping the "Patriots Monday" thing, they can do so with an exclusive 1:1 interview with Brady as part of the package.
Whatever WEEI is paying for that, the knowledge that they are the only local media platform that gets Brady and Belichick 1:1 on a weekly basis is worth a lot.
Edit: I doubt if the Pats could just substitute a player that Brady would be on there every week.
Here's a link to the radio interview with Tom this morning. You definitely can hear in his voice he's pretty pissed and trying to stay calm about it. Hanging up on them was stone cold awesome.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22252659/tom-brady-cuts-weekly-weei-radio-interview-host-comment-5-year-old-daughter
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22252659/tom-brady-cuts-weekly-weei-radio-interview-host-comment-5-year-old-daughter
Wait...Boomer can't stand Fred? I always thought they had great back and forth when the spoke. They can give each other crap and make the interview interesting. I didn't think Boomer actually didn't like him.
Which makes the ad sales higher for that spot than anywhere else on the station. Regardless, this kind of situation that Reimer put them in would be grounds for Brady to not wish to appear. Maybe he goes on DHK instead.
I think this is accurate. I read about sports a lot. I listen to sports talk radio a lot. I rarely (anymore) listen to Boston sports radio. I rarely (anymore) read the Globe sports section or the Herald at all. We are in basically the best stretch of sports success any city has ever had and the local media is largely engaged in stupid nit-picking and personal attacks, and whatever "insights" they try to promote are usually poorly thought out and clearly promoting some agenda that is not based on actual facts. Miserable, joyless, and generally idiotic and to me useless
Same here. They bust each other's balls, but outside of seeming annoyed when Fred's late, I've never gotten the impression they dislike one another.
I don't get it either. People have been saying this since Boomer came on that he was just dying to get back to D&C/K&C. I think they have a great interview with Boomer every week.
Back on track, this is now the lead story on Yahoo!'s home page.
Obviously, this is just my own personal take based on my weekly listen of their interviews. "Can't stand" might be too strong, but there have been a number of times, IMO, where the Boomer interviews have gotten quite awkward. Either way, Boomer is and still will be a must listen for me, regardless of what station he's on going forward.
Anyway, sorry for the sidetrack. Back to why Reimer and, by extension, K&C are terrible.
That's been the take on Felger and Mazz for weeks now, that it was an infomercial for TB12, and honestly I can understand why they think that .
It's the other bullshit that Mazz has been peddling (Getting back at BB for whatever imagined reasons) that's turned me off lately.
As mentioned above, WEEI has an article about this in a prominent spot on their homepage and, in typical espn style, is using it as a way of creating their own news to cover. Any attempt by WEEI to appease Brady by firing this Reimer guy, whoever the fuck he is, should be viewed as utterly disingenuous at best, and as outrageously insulting, at worst, because clearly the people doing the firing have no issue with the attention this is getting them.
The content that the majority of the sports media provides these days doesn't even measure up to what you find in a typical gamethread. The incremental value of the "insights" offered by 99% of "professional" journalists over what you'd hear from a random guy on the street is more or less zero. These guys are cab drivers in a Uber world.
The content that the majority of the sports media provides these days doesn't even measure up to what you find in a typical gamethread. The incremental value of the "insights" offered by 99% of "professional" journalists over what you'd hear from a random guy on the street is more or less zero. These guys are cab drivers in a Uber world.
As a counterpoint in how to discuss things, T&R were thinking that 'Tom vs. Time' was going to be a TB12 infomercial as well. Then they watched it. And now they admit that they were wrong, it hasn't been.
This can't be emphasized enough. I moved to the metro NYC area in the late 90s and I couldn't get over how good WFAN was. Every time I'd visit home and put on EEI I'd be appalled at the toxic circus.
I'd say Boston deserves better but then I read that K&M ratings are soaring and I realize that it doesn't.
Wow, that audio is something else. Even when trying to be decent, Minihane comes off as an insufferable mix of asshole, suckup, and soulless drama queen.
Brady is talking slowly, obviously trying to control himself and compose his thoughts, and Minihane keeps interrupting and talking over him, announcing how he and Jerry "destroyed" Reimer for the comment. But none of his word choices expressed genuine empathy nor human connection with Brady, they were just calling Reimer "dumb". Like, Minihane's conception of the sin was that Reimer violated the professional standards and practices of the workplace, not that he did something hurtful to Brady or his family. He was at his most articulate when interrupting Brady, to make sure to reserve the right of talk-show hosts to be assholes towards players, just not their kids.
Exactly. If it was only about Tom's training and exclusively dedicated to his TB12 work, I could see the point. But the reality is that there have been other unrelated aspects thus far, such as the scenes in the car after losses, and it's impossible to discuss the uniqueness of Brady's success during what should be the twilight of his career without covering how he does it. The last episode showed him working out, and Alex Guerrero got some air time, but it also emphasized him pouring over hours of video at home, without TB12 facilities or Alex Guerrero in sight.
The informercial take is classic cynicism and belittling.
The morning show is touting this as the # 1 sports story in the country right now.
Inexcusable. It's just where we are not only in sports radio, but in society in general. I also hate that someone found it necessary to air this documentary before the Super Bowl as well as (to a lesser extent) the "Warrior Spirit" ads during the A.F.C. championship game. What was the thought process? What was the benefit? The Patriots are an organization that tries to put team ahead of individual. They try to downplay anything that might be a distraction or divert focus from the task at hand. The timing of this is just so stupid especially given the two weeks that the media has to fill before The Super Bowl.
I feel badly for Holley, Arnold, and Keefe. Three professionals, two of whom have been around decades, who have to deal with all the bullshit drama on and off the air. Their show is still good, even though you can tell the station forces Arnold to play the “troll” role once in a while, which he’s clearly uncomfortable doing. They’ve made it sound recently like Dale might be getting the boot soon. They’ll probably bring in Don Shanessy to replace him and completely ruin their daily lineup.
“Time for our weekly conversation with Patriots QB, Brian Hoyer...”
Tom Brady isn’t giving up the radio spot yet. It gives him a good platform to communicate to the fans and general public. He’s doing EEI a solid by appearing on their station, but let’s not pretend he’s doing it against his will or best interests. Today was Brady rightfully letting the station know that fucking with his family will lead to him dropping them.
He's doing it because he's contractually obligated to do so as the quarterback of the Patriots, not as some sort of favor to the station. I think absent that obligation, he wouldn't do any interviews of that type anywhere (as evidenced by the fact that he does not grant interviews otherwise). He'd only take interviews in which he could directly benefit, like to promote his book or the documentary series or some other branded item. And even those probably would never happen during the season like the WEEI interview does. He has Facebook and Twitter and Instagram to communicate to/with his fans if he so desires, he doesn't need a radio station.
In addition to WEEI, he does a weekly radio interview with Jim Gray on Westwood One during the season......
Wouldn't shock me at all that that one is contractually obligated via the NFL's deal with Westwood One.
Jim gray is his go-to media guy. I believe he feels he gets a fair shake from him. I think it’s very safe to say he wouldn’t do EEI if he wasn’t contracted to do so.
Brady doesn't do these interviews because he values the platform to communicate with the fans and general public, he does them because there is a clause in his contract that says he has to. And that clause exists because WEEI pays money to the Patriots for the weekly interview.
If Brady ever decides he no longer wants to fulfill that clause in his contract, there are a few possibilities, depending on specific contract language that I don't have access to:
- WEEI could probably go after the Patriots for some kind of penalty, and the Patriots could probably go after Brady's paycheck to recover, or;
- The Patriots could just pay the fine/penalty to WEEI and let Brady skate, or;
- The Patriots could try to fight the penalty, especially if WEEI is somehow in violation of their end of the deal.
It’s not. It’s his own deal.
You guys are jumping through hoops to convince yourself that Brady does these interviews against his will. He’s not Belichick, he’s fine with self promotion and celebrity.
Nobody is saying he's doing them against his will, but you said that he's doing WEEI a "solid" by doing these interviews. That is clearly not the case. The Pats package the Brady and Belichick interviews as part of what they sell to Entercom in the Patriots Monday package. The link is up thread, it just got renewed.
Your premise, that Brady isn't giving up the WEEI gig because it is a good avenue to reach is fans, is silly. If he did not have the contractual commitment to WEEI, 98.5 would gladly give him whatever air time he wanted to talk about whatever he wanted.
If Tom Brady didn’t want to do the interview, there is no agreement that will make him do it. He would tell them to cram it, the deal would be amended, and we would hear another player on WEEI. .
No one is arguing that he's doing it against his will. My only point is that even if he's happy to talk to Minihane and Callahan (or whomever the Patriots ask him to appear with on WEEI), I don't think it's something he'd go out of his way to continue doing, on WEEI or elsewhere, if there was no contractual obligation to do it.
It's so much fun watching everyone argue like monkeys over a situation they have no fucking clue about with absolute certainty.
Likely the only one on this board that would have any clue is Chad Finn and maybe one or two others.
If not for basically calling Brady's kid a brat, I still don't know who Reimer is.
Who give's a fuck that he called Brady's kid a brat? Other than Mr. and Mrs. Brady and his family why do people even give a shit?
Was it stupid and uncalled for? Absolutely, but it's not like he stuck out his elbow intentionally because he was annoyed by her like other members of this board have said they've done.
As for whether or not Brady appears on Kirk and Callahan in the future... again... why does anyone give a fuck?
Likely the only one on this board that would have any clue is Chad Finn and maybe one or two others.
If not for basically calling Brady's kid a brat, I still don't know who Reimer is.
Who give's a fuck that he called Brady's kid a brat? Other than Mr. and Mrs. Brady and his family why do people even give a shit?
Was it stupid and uncalled for? Absolutely, but it's not like he stuck out his elbow intentionally because he was annoyed by her like other members of this board have said they've done.
As for whether or not Brady appears on Kirk and Callahan in the future... again... why does anyone give a fuck?
This dormant thread just ran several pages with this BS "story". And WEEI will be soooo happy if this gets national attention. Just ignore and move on. Minihan will be all over Miniham-apolis trying to peddle himself to national meida to explain the situation. Pathetic
It's real easy to just not click on this thread if you don't think it's worthy of discussion.
So on a message board devoted to people trading posts about news and current events, you're annoyed people are trading posts and news about current events on a message board?