Lets talk Qbs...

[bakahump]

Specifically Mallett and Garapolo.
 
 
We all at one time or another talked about what a steal Mallett was.  Gruden "loved him".  We all projected his "worth", even with only 1 yr left on his contract to be a 3rd rounder. Hell some of us even toyed with the thought that he was "The Heir"

So I ask.....How many starts will Mallett have in his career?  Wins? Will he beat out Fitzy this year? After what game will he start.  Stats?
 
Basically was Mallett worth "all the hype" we had about him. Is he a better fit in a different offense (does BOB and Texas run a different offense??)?
 
And now Garapolo.  Will he eventually become a starter (Somewhere)? Will HE replace Brady.  How many Starts? Wins?  Is he Aaron Rodgers? Or is he Steve Bono?  Is he worth the "hype" we have about him or is he just this years Mallett?
 
This year wont answer this question decidedly......but the internet will live on. And it will be interesting to see if "the guy we shoulda got a 3rd for" ends up being a Jeff Hostetler or Frank Reich.  It will also be interesting to see if the newest SOSH QB binkie (who I will say I love) is worthy of the all affection....or JAG.

 

[wutang112878]

Allegedly the 2 characteristics that Bill looks for in a QB are decision making and accuracy.  It makes a lot of sense because it explains a guy like Joe Montana who had a pretty weak arm by NFL standards but was amazingly accurate and had great anticipation and decision making which could compensate for the lack of speed on his throws.
 
Looking at Mallett these are 2 things he always struggled with here and it seemed (in the small sample we actually saw) that he never improved in these areas.  He has far too many 'bounced at his feet' type of throws to be a starting QB.  I also remember a lot of snaps where he would take his drop and seem to look at the play and wonder 'so where I am going with the ball here'.  I wouldnt be surprised if he gets 3-4 starts this year and I bet he gets blitzed frequently, cant find the open guy and is rendered completely ineffective.
 
Garoppolo is about 99% projection with the small sample we have.  In what I have seen it looks like pre-snap most of the time he knows where he wants to go with the ball.  However, he has an awful habit of staring down receivers and if he was playing consecutive games and opponents were game planning specifically for him this would result in a lot of turnovers.  I think he has the potential to have elite accuracy, some of the deep balls he threw hit WRs in stride so perfectly it really was amazing.  As for games he starts, I dont care and I dont want to think about it until Brady shows some signs of slowing down.

 

[soxfan121]

From the completely useless, mile-away, no-way-of-knowing file...
 
Garoppolo seemed to have more leadership skills than Mallett. His demeanor, sideline behavior and press interactions reminded me of a young Brady. Whereas Mallett always came across as stiff and uncomfortable. JG has an out-going enthusiasm that is apparent when you watch him interact with other people. 
 
The old adage of 'your best player should be your hardest worker' seems to apply to JG; he may not be a great player at this time but he carries himself like he is and there's been nothing but raves about his work ethic, both in learning the offense and in working with his teammates. The other rookies look at him as a leader and that can only lead to good things in the film room, weight room and locker room. 
 
Beyond his impressive play in preseason - which, really - I was more impressed with how JG handled all the other stuff. After the Giants game he did the post-game press conference where he politely listened and decoded the typical rambling, nonsensical question from Steve Burton and talked about how "all of this is new and I want to work hard at all of it. Like, I'd never seen so many reporters until I got here and that's part of the job, working with you guys, so I want to get better at it." THAT'S a great attitude for the QB to have. 
 
Maybe he can't actually play and that's 98% of the equation. But for the other 2%...he's an impressive young lad.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

If Mallett is Cassell, if he's Hoyer, then he is what we thought he was, a guy who can win some games and lose some games as a starting QB.  But he wasn't going to replace Brady, and he was about to get expensive, and you can't always get a Cassell type return when you trade a backup QB, mostly because Cassell started a year and showed he could win some games.  Garappolo (and how about we all learn to spell his name?) is the next one in line.  A guy to be there if Brady goes down, but also maybe for the first time the guy to replace Brady when he retires.

 

[bakahump]

Totally agree.  While the incredibly small sample size in "games"  has been impressive....no rather its been Promising....its the (dare I say) intangibles that are really interesting with JG.
 
Whats funny is that we had a guy who had all those same "intangibles" (and also alot of talent that he has worked hard to improve)  We had the "Template".  ...yet when we evaluated Mallett we ignored the warts, we ignored the Template.  We all "suspected" (??) Mallett didnt have those intangibles....but figured his talent was still "good enough".  Instead Kid is probably Ryan Leaf lite.
 
So we had a sexy smart fun GF.  Had another Sexy dumb annoying GF lined up to replace her and somehow convinced ourselves "it might be ok".
 
Hopefully we have JG pegged correctly as another Cute adventurous fun GF.
 
 
More then a Brady, Mallett Garappolo "argument", I think its an interesting view into the mindset we as fans actually have and what we  *think we have.

 

[Stitch01]

When was the last time anyone thought Mallett might be Brady's successor, training camp 2012?

 

[Tony C]

true, don't remember that, but certainly he was held in high esteem -- the endless "Mallett for..." jokes (thank god those are over) were based on serious conversations about him being able to fetch a 2nd rounder, or why not a late 1st rounder.
 
In re Mallett, I think that -- from what he's shown, what other teams were willing to give for him, and what the Pats were willing to take for him -- we were incredibly lucky to never have to rely on him for more snaps. We apparently didn't realize it, but though we paid a pretty good dollar (3rd rounder) for that insurance, it seems if we'd had to call in a claim there was a high deductible.
 
In short, no: Mallett was not worth our hype.
 
We can say small sample size all we want on JG, but he performed when he was on the field. Yes, of course that's not to say that if thrown in this year he'd do well. No, defenses would be more first string (though so would his own teammates), more complex, and more out to get him. But I wouldn't shy away as much of others to just talking about his demeanor or what have you: even if BB wasn't right on Mallett in the 3rd round, I still trust his evaluations more than anyone else and he saw a 2nd rounder in him. And then JG looked really good against actual NFL players, playing pretty big minutes. And then BB decided he could trust him more than Mallett as Brady's back-up. And even an idiot like me can see how quick JG's release is and how sweet his deep touch.
 
In short, yes, JG is worth hyping, so long as all the regular caveats are kept in mind that it's still miles from meaning anything.

 

[twothousandone]

Mallet was sort of Ryan Kalish, huh?  It happens, when there's nothing other than less than premium opponents against which to evaluate someone. 
 
Garappolo was a late second round pick. I think that means it's fair to say he won't be as good as Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Tannehill, Brady Quinn.
 
But, the Pats seemed to believe he wouldn't be there in the third round, so that means he's kind of in line with Schaub, Chris Simms, Kapernick.   And that means he should be better than Cassel, Matt Flynn, Rich Gannon, and both McCowns. (And I know talent pools are different year-to-year.)
 
Of course, that thinking also says he'll be better than the guy the Patriots got in the 6th round in 2000.
 
I think it's possible that Flynn (not unlike Cassel) is a great example. He looked good replacing Rogers, then never really looked good again. Maybe that situation was tailor-made for him, and he's smart enough to have worked his way back there after it became clear he wasn't one of the top 25 QBs. I suspect if needed late this season or next year, Garappolo will do a decent job. If he has to be a starting QB over 16 games, he'll go 8-8, where he can claim to be the difference in one win, and called the difference in three losses. 
 
I think Mallett will get three starts this year, and he'll go 1-2. Fitzpatrick will get 11 starts, and go 4-7, someone else will get the last two (maybe Flynn?) and go 1-1.

 

[Marciano490]

Mallet was sort of Ryan Kalish, huh?  It happens, when there's nothing other than less than premium opponents against which to evaluate someone. 
 
Garappolo was a late second round pick. I think that means it's fair to say he won't be as good as Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Tannehill, Brady Quinn.
 
But, the Pats seemed to believe he wouldn't be there in the third round, so that means he's kind of in line with Schaub, Chris Simms, Kapernick.   And that means he should be better than Cassel, Matt Flynn, Rich Gannon, and both McCowns. (And I know talent pools are different year-to-year.)
 
Of course, that thinking also says he'll be better than the guy the Patriots got in the 6th round in 2000.
 
I think it's possible that Flynn (not unlike Cassel) is a great example. He looked good replacing Rogers, then never really looked good again. Maybe that situation was tailor-made for him, and he's smart enough to have worked his way back there after it became clear he wasn't one of the top 25 QBs. I suspect if needed late this season or next year, Garappolo will do a decent job. If he has to be a starting QB over 16 games, he'll go 8-8, where he can claim to be the difference in one win, and called the difference in three losses. 
 
I think Mallett will get three starts this year, and he'll go 1-2. Fitzpatrick will get 11 starts, and go 4-7, someone else will get the last two (maybe Flynn?) and go 1-1.

 
Are you grading quarterbacks by their draft position?  It seems like you're saying that Brady Quinn is a better quarterback than Kaepernick.