Lions have fired GM Martin Mayhew and president Tom Lewand

RedOctober3829 · Nov 5, 2015

FootballScoop Staff ‏@FootballScoop 18s18 seconds ago
Schefter just said on ESPN that Lions ownership is meeting with Jim Caldwell “who may stay on or who may not”

CaptainLaddie · Nov 5, 2015

Jesus. Just fucking fire Caldwell already. He's a dumpster fire of a head coach.

BaseballJones · Nov 5, 2015

soxhop411 said:
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
Jim Caldwell has been told he's still the #Lions coach.

Not that I care about the Lions, but for the love of God, why????

dcmissle · Nov 5, 2015

I feel badly for fans in places like Detroit and Cleveland. Unquenchable dumpster fires in historically important NFL cities.

Cellar-Door · Nov 5, 2015

BaseballJones said:
Not that I care about the Lions, but for the love of God, why????

Only thing that makes sense is whoever the new GM will be wants to give their own guy a fresh start (or he isn't available until the end of season).

Norm loves Vera · Nov 5, 2015

No worries.. Les is coming!

Curt S Loew · Nov 5, 2015

dcmissle said:
I feel badly for fans in places like Detroit and Cleveland. Unquenchable dumpster fires in historically important NFL cities.

Yeah, I wonder when that "historical importance" will wear off. I mean, we've had 50 Super Bowls. Neither team has played in one.

bankshot1 · Nov 5, 2015

At Ford: Quality is job 1.

Marciano490 · Nov 5, 2015

So, are we getting Megatron or not?

DanoooME · Nov 5, 2015

bankshot1 said:
At Ford: Quality is job 1.

At Ford Field, Kwality is job 1.

saintnick912 · Nov 5, 2015

Jim Bob Cooter just moved 2 steps closer to the top.

jsinger121 · Nov 5, 2015

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
The future beyond 2015 for #Lions QB Matthew Stafford is very much in doubt, as I understand it.

amarshal2 · Nov 5, 2015

jsinger121 said:
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
The future beyond 2015 for #Lions QB Matthew Stafford is very much in doubt, as I understand it.

Weird that this is a thing when they don't currently have a GM.

OCST · Nov 5, 2015

amarshal2 said:
Weird that this is a thing when they don't currently have a GM.

Yeah, next guy in needs to know whether he's buiding around Stafford or not. Stafford could be the right guy with the right pieces around him. Cutting bait is defensible of course buy you need a plan B. Bizarre.

tims4wins · Nov 5, 2015

ESPN listed Caserio and Lombardi as potential candidates. Hopefully not on Caserio, I am more meh on Lombardi

SeoulSoxFan · Nov 5, 2015

Whatever happens, hope NE FO descends like a rabid, starved pack of hyenas and steal away Megatron this offseason.

Tony C · Nov 5, 2015

OilCanShotTupac said:
Yeah, next guy in needs to know whether he's buiding around Stafford or not. Stafford could be the right guy with the right pieces around him. Cutting bait is defensible of course buy you need a plan B. Bizarre.

Oh, I don't think so -- he's a Cutler type. All the tools, but his eye-popping gun belies the fact that QB-ing is more about smart decisions, read defenses (before and during a play), ability to make quick progressions, etc. The Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford lineage are so seductive, but misleadingly so.

OCST · Nov 5, 2015

Tony C said:
Oh, I don't think so -- he's a Cutler type. All the tools, but his eye-popping gun belies the fact that QB-ing is more about smart decisions, read defenses (before and during a play), ability to make quick progressions, etc. The Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford lineage are so seductive, but misleadingly so.

Don't think that's quite fair to Stafford - he's not as bad as Cutler IMO. But your point re: the arm vs. the head is well taken.

jsinger121 · Nov 5, 2015

tims4wins said:
ESPN listed Caserio and Lombardi as potential candidates. Hopefully not on Caserio, I am more meh on Lombardi

I bet both decline due to an unstable ownership group.

dynomite · Nov 5, 2015

OilCanShotTupac said:
Don't think that's quite fair to Stafford - he's not as bad as Cutler IMO. But your point re: the arm vs. the head is well taken.

They're actually pretty similar statistically.

Cutler has an 85.3 career QB rating, a 61.7% completion mark, and a ratio of 1.43 TDs to INTs.

Stafford has an 83.7 career QB rating, a 60.1% completion mark, and a ratio of 1.5 TDs to INTs.

Obviously stats don't tell the full story, but generally there's some similarity there.

NortheasternPJ · Nov 5, 2015

soxhop411 said:
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
Jim Caldwell has been told he's still the #Lions coach.

Any reaction from Caldwell yet?

Lose Remerswaal · Nov 5, 2015

SeoulSoxFan said:
Whatever happens, hope NE FO descends like a rabid, starved pack of hyenas and steal away Megatron this offseason.

$24 million cap hit in 2016, per http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/calvin-johnson/

Detts · Nov 5, 2015

NortheasternPJ said:
Any reaction from Caldwell yet?

RIFan · Nov 5, 2015

dynomite said:
They're actually pretty similar statistically.

Cutler has an 85.3 career QB rating, a 61.7% completion mark, and a ratio of 1.43 TDs to INTs.

Stafford has an 83.7 career QB rating, a 60.1% completion mark, and a ratio of 1.5 TDs to INTs.

Obviously stats don't tell the full story, but generally there's some similarity there.

The thing with Stafford is he doesn't seemed to have deviated from being a gunslinger. If he spent the time to refine his mechanics he'd probably see a decent increase in accuracy and cut down on the INTs.

amarshal2 · Nov 5, 2015

OilCanShotTupac said:
Yeah, next guy in needs to know whether he's buiding around Stafford or not. Stafford could be the right guy with the right pieces around him. Cutting bait is defensible of course buy you need a plan B. Bizarre.

My point was actually that this is the type of decision a GM should make and not the latest heir to the Ford fortune who doesn't appear to have much of a football resume.

Hoya81 · Nov 5, 2015

tims4wins said:
ESPN listed Caserio and Lombardi as potential candidates. Hopefully not on Caserio, I am more meh on Lombardi

Does Detroit make a run at McDaniels/Patricia?

E5 Yaz · Nov 5, 2015

Don Buddin's GS · Nov 5, 2015

Actually Bill Ford, Jr, is on record as saying his ~90 year old mom is in charge of the Lions and not him.

67YAZ · Nov 5, 2015

RIFan said:
The thing with Stafford is he doesn't seemed to have deviated from being a gunslinger. If he spent the time to refine his mechanics he'd probably see a decent increase in accuracy and cut down on the INTs.

This is exactly the trap GMs and coaches fall into - "We can fix the mechanics. We can teach him to read defenses. We can scheme simpler decisions for him..."

DJnVa · Nov 5, 2015

OilCanShotTupac said:
Yeah, next guy in needs to know whether he's buiding around Stafford or not. Stafford could be the right guy with the right pieces around him. Cutting bait is defensible of course buy you need a plan B. Bizarre.

Well, that's what creates the doubt. If the new guy wants him.

I think that tweet is saying that the team might be willing to move on if the new GM wants to.

RIFan · Nov 5, 2015

67YAZ said:
This is exactly the trap GMs and coaches fall into - "We can fix the mechanics. We can teach him to read defenses. We can scheme simpler decisions for him..."

Agree. He is who he is. He's been in the league long enough that if he was willing and able to improve on his deficiencies he would have by now.

dynomite · Nov 5, 2015

RIFan said:
Agree. He is who he is. He's been in the league long enough that if he was willing and able to improve on his deficiencies he would have by now.

Well the 41 TD and 5,000 yard season remains an enigma. What the hell happened there?

RIFan · Nov 5, 2015

dynomite said:
Well the 41 TD and 5,000 yard season remains an enigma. What the hell happened there?

Nothing but a personal theory, but the shoulder surgery and subsequent rehab forced him to work on his mechanics and focus on a more repeatable delivery over the top. He's probably reverted back to more of the sidearm, across the body, unorthodox throws that result in less accurate throws.

soxfan121 · Nov 5, 2015

67YAZ said:
This is exactly the trap GMs and coaches fall into - "We can fix the mechanics. We can teach him to read defenses. We can scheme simpler decisions for him..."

A team can do one of those things. They can't do all of them.

Tony C · Nov 5, 2015

OilCanShotTupac said:
Don't think that's quite fair to Stafford - he's not as bad as Cutler IMO. But your point re: the arm vs. the head is well taken.

dynomite said:
They're actually pretty similar statistically.

Cutler has an 85.3 career QB rating, a 61.7% completion mark, and a ratio of 1.43 TDs to INTs.

Stafford has an 83.7 career QB rating, a 60.1% completion mark, and a ratio of 1.5 TDs to INTs.

Obviously stats don't tell the full story, but generally there's some similarity there.

Agree with both of these comments on my post. I lumped them together, but certainly would take Stafford over Cutler. But, yes, the similarity is there in that I don't think you can build a team around Stafford. And that brings us back to Caldwell -- I think he sometimes gets an unfair rap but he was brought in in good part to help Stafford as a supposed QB whisperer type. Last year there seemed to be some success with that as Caldwell upped his completion % and decreased his INT %, but the INT has more than regressed back this season, so.....you'd think Caldwell will pay the price for that at some point.

Lose Remerswaal · Nov 5, 2015

Don Buddin's GS said:
Actually Bill Ford, Jr, is on record as saying his ~90 year old mom is in charge of the Lions and not him.

She's quite an attractive woman for 90. No glasses at the podium. I wonder if she's lonely

Super Nomario · Nov 5, 2015

RIFan said:
Agree. He is who he is. He's been in the league long enough that if he was willing and able to improve on his deficiencies he would have by now.

The one crazy thing with Stafford is that he's not even 28 yet. He's younger than Kaepernick, Bradford, or Dalton and less than a year older than Tannehill, Mallett, Russell Wilson, or Kirk Cousins.

Rough Carrigan · Nov 5, 2015

Lose Remerswaal said:
She's quite an attractive woman for 90. No glasses at the podium. I wonder if she's lonely

Max Bialystock on the make.

MarcSullivaFan · Nov 20, 2015

Man this franchise is screwed.

soxfan121 · Nov 20, 2015

What is it you guys think the Team President does, exactly?

Wood is a business manager, and a trusted advisor for the Ford family. He has extensive experience hiring qualified managers and maximizing profits. The team president isn't a football job - it's a business job. Wood is a business guy who is intimately familiar with the Ford family business, and is trusted by them to handle their billions.

He's successful in his field and that quote - 140 characters SUCK - is actually pretty sharp. Wood isn't a football guy, admits he needs to hire football operations folks, and couldn't work for another team because he's been working for the Ford's for the last decade. If Wood hires Matt Millen (or his equivalent) he'll be a terrible team president. If he hires the next big thing to run the football operation, he'll be a great team president. If he hires a mediocre football person(s) and just maximizes the Ford family profits - he'll be a replacement level team president.

( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) · Nov 20, 2015

soxfan121 said:
What is it you guys think the Team President does, exactly?

Wood is a business manager, and a trusted advisor for the Ford family. He has extensive experience hiring qualified managers and maximizing profits. The team president isn't a football job - it's a business job. Wood is a business guy who is intimately familiar with the Ford family business, and is trusted by them to handle their billions.

He's successful in his field and that quote - 140 characters SUCK - is actually pretty sharp. Wood isn't a football guy, admits he needs to hire football operations folks, and couldn't work for another team because he's been working for the Ford's for the last decade. If Wood hires Matt Millen (or his equivalent) he'll be a terrible team president. If he hires the next big thing to run the football operation, he'll be a great team president. If he hires a mediocre football person(s) and just maximizes the Ford family profits - he'll be a replacement level team president.

I tend to agree with your sentiment, but people like Wood generally also come with a nice big ego as well. No he is not a football guy, but he might (or might not) also fancy himself smart enough to be one.

With this team the smart money is likely on this turning out poorly because Lions.

dcmissle · Nov 20, 2015

soxfan121 said:
What is it you guys think the Team President does, exactly?

Wood is a business manager, and a trusted advisor for the Ford family. He has extensive experience hiring qualified managers and maximizing profits. The team president isn't a football job - it's a business job. Wood is a business guy who is intimately familiar with the Ford family business, and is trusted by them to handle their billions.

He's successful in his field and that quote - 140 characters SUCK - is actually pretty sharp. Wood isn't a football guy, admits he needs to hire football operations folks, and couldn't work for another team because he's been working for the Ford's for the last decade. If Wood hires Matt Millen (or his equivalent) he'll be a terrible team president. If he hires the next big thing to run the football operation, he'll be a great team president. If he hires a mediocre football person(s) and just maximizes the Ford family profits - he'll be a replacement level team president.

+1. Titles do not matter; functions do. He was probably heading off title wave of criticism. Anyone who comes in with an awareness of his limitations, and is skilled at finding the right person for the job, I want that guy.

soxfan121 · Nov 20, 2015

( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
I tend to agree with your sentiment, but people like Wood generally also come with a nice big ego as well. No he is not a football guy, but he might (or might not) also fancy himself smart enough to be one.

With this team the smart money is likely on this turning out poorly because Lions.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/11/20/detroit-lions-rod-wood/76124846/

Wood said he will only be involved with football matters when advising large, long-term contracts and how they fit into the franchise's future.

"It'll be a clear line of demarcation," Wood said. "I'll be responsible for running the business side of the organization and the general manager will be in charge of the entire football side, players, coaches, etc. The only overlap might be making sure that our financial picture is sound as it relates particularly to player salaries, etc."

That definitively answers your concern.

Marciano490 · Nov 21, 2015

Getting top men is so hot right now.

MarcSullivaFan · Nov 21, 2015

soxfan121 said:
What is it you guys think the Team President does, exactly?

Wood is a business manager, and a trusted advisor for the Ford family. He has extensive experience hiring qualified managers and maximizing profits. The team president isn't a football job - it's a business job. Wood is a business guy who is intimately familiar with the Ford family business, and is trusted by them to handle their billions.

He's successful in his field and that quote - 140 characters SUCK - is actually pretty sharp. Wood isn't a football guy, admits he needs to hire football operations folks, and couldn't work for another team because he's been working for the Ford's for the last decade. If Wood hires Matt Millen (or his equivalent) he'll be a terrible team president. If he hires the next big thing to run the football operation, he'll be a great team president. If he hires a mediocre football person(s) and just maximizes the Ford family profits - he'll be a replacement level team president.

It's a remarkably stupid thing to say. If he's capable of being the "business" guy for the Lions why wouldn't he be qualified to serve in the same capacity for another organization? The (obviously unintended) implication is that someone as unqualified as he is only fit to run the pathetic Lions.

Look, I sincerely hope that he finds someone competent to take over football operations longterm. My wife is from MI, I used to live there, and I would love for my friends and relatives to be released from the football hell that is being a Lions fan. But I'm not confident that a Ford crony with no football acumen is going to find the best person to run the show. Plenty of wildly successful business people have proven incapable of hiring good football people to run their franchises. (I see that he's promised to seek help in finding a GM--that's a good sign.)

Also, he said he "probably" won't be involved in football decisions, so let's see how that plays out.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/11/20/rod-wood-detroit-lions/76098520/

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