Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall
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Inside Peyton Manning’s secret investigation into Al Jazeera documentary
(WAshington Post)
this makes manning look REALLY bad.. NFL will still sweep it under the rug though
(WAshington Post)
a lot more at the link .. Really good read and worth your time
this makes manning look REALLY bad.. NFL will still sweep it under the rug though
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When will athletes learn? Just say no comment and move on, or make a joke about it.
Issuing categorical denials and smearing reporters when you are not clean is the dumbest strategy in the book. And make no mistake, whether the HGH story is true or not, the fact that Peyton hired goons to intimidate Sly's family means his hands are not clean.
No matter the outcome of the NFL's investigation, Peyton has irreparably damaged himself. Not even Jim Nantz can help him now.
Issuing categorical denials and smearing reporters when you are not clean is the dumbest strategy in the book. And make no mistake, whether the HGH story is true or not, the fact that Peyton hired goons to intimidate Sly's family means his hands are not clean.
No matter the outcome of the NFL's investigation, Peyton has irreparably damaged himself. Not even Jim Nantz can help him now.
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Wait, so then is it also possible that what all the world thought was completely incompetent play earlier in the season was just a fiendishly clever suggestion that he would retire so that his PED usage should be ignored?
Innocent people don't behave this way. This story is so juicy, and investigative reporters aren't done yet...with the Super Bowl this weekend, the Post printed what they had so far.
When I see this thread bumped I get so excited. 95% of the time I'm let down. But when I see a soxhop411 bump, I know there is new information!
Please let this story keep growing.
Please let this story keep growing.
Roger knifed Kraft in the back. If this story, aided by establishment journalists, gathers momentum....
Protect the cash cow
Protect the shield
Adios Peyton
Protect the cash cow
Protect the shield
Adios Peyton
From WaPo piece:
Fleischer declined to specify whether the medication was human growth hormone, which is banned by professional sports leagues and only legal to prescribe in America for a few specific conditions, such as growth hormone deficiency, HIV wasting syndrome and short bowel syndrome.
"such as"? Isn't that the whole list of approved indications?
Later on...
In another scene, Taylor Teagarden, a journeyman catcher who played with the Chicago Cubs, is waiting outside Sly’s apartment. Once inside, Teagarden talks about taking Delta-2.
Teagarden did not reply to requests for comment. Cohron claims Teagarden was lying to help Sly appear to be a steroid dealer.
Well, that doesn't really make sense. Sly says in the documentary that the great thing about Delta-2 is that he just had to tell the athletes about the website where they could buy it. That way Sly kept his hands clean as he wasn't distributing anything himself.
Fleischer declined to specify whether the medication was human growth hormone, which is banned by professional sports leagues and only legal to prescribe in America for a few specific conditions, such as growth hormone deficiency, HIV wasting syndrome and short bowel syndrome.
"such as"? Isn't that the whole list of approved indications?
Later on...
In another scene, Taylor Teagarden, a journeyman catcher who played with the Chicago Cubs, is waiting outside Sly’s apartment. Once inside, Teagarden talks about taking Delta-2.
Teagarden did not reply to requests for comment. Cohron claims Teagarden was lying to help Sly appear to be a steroid dealer.
Well, that doesn't really make sense. Sly says in the documentary that the great thing about Delta-2 is that he just had to tell the athletes about the website where they could buy it. That way Sly kept his hands clean as he wasn't distributing anything himself.
Jim Nantz will take the fall.
In all seriousness, I wonder how long he's going to let his wife take the heat.
In all seriousness, I wonder how long he's going to let his wife take the heat.
I'll bet $50 at some point during the SB broadcast Peyton is given praise or sympathy for dealing with this leading up to his potential last game.
Nantz already did that during the game against the Pats ... even mentioned the HGH story
And I'm saying neither this story nor anything that comes out between now and Sunday will change that narrative.
I agree completely. Just saying that the bet you offered seems like a no-brainer since Nantz already went down that road
Stop harshing my score. This forum is filled with crazy optimists who've ignored the last year.
If I was super naive I could almost buy most of what the manning/sly camp is selling here, but everything falls apart when they try to portray the Teagarden interaction as anything other than what it so clearly was. This is going to get really interesting.
That looks terrible. We now know 100% that Ashley manning was a patient there, we know she got medicine from them. We know other athletes (Teagarden) were getting stuff there. There is approximately a billion times more smoke on this then there ever was for ballghazi.
I don't think it will change it among media types. But it will absolutely change it among the public.
This can't be sloughed off as being a foreign news organization trying to bring down an American Hero. This is a detailed, obviously well-researched piece with names and specifics about actions taken at the direction of Peyton Manning. And while nothing is dispositive with respect to core allegations, logic dictates that innocent people don't hire Private Investigators to intimidate others into silence. They fight back, sure. But not by acting like Roger Clemens or Alex Rodriguez. And that's going to stick to Payton no matter what Jim Nantz says.
Of course only innocent men send goons to the house of his dealer's parents.
Again: no one will care, because it's not the Patriots and/or Brady. There's a universal unwillingness to believe or care at work here.
From the WaPo article:
Sly’s lawyer, Travis Cohron, also said his client’s statement — which Sly issued without knowing exactly what he was recanting — was Sly’s idea. According to Cohron, everything Sly said in the documentary about helping pro athletes take performance-enhancing drugs was a fabrication to impress Al Jazeera’s undercover reporter, whom Sly claims he thought was a potential business partner.
“It was pure puffery,” Cohron said of his client’s words. “He was manufacturing a story to bolster his own appearance.”
The story Sly said he made up contained at least a bit of truth, though: The Guyer Institute did ship medication to Ashley Manning, Fleischer confirmed.
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“My name is Charles Sly,” he began. “It has come to my attention that the broadcaster Al Jazeera has somehow obtained recordings or communications of me making statements concerning a number of athletes . . . There is no truth to any statement of mine that Al Jazeera plans to air.”
So how do you recant something when you have no knowledge of the specifics?
Also, it's all "pure puffery" except for, you know, the parts that are true. Which I recant. If I knew what they were.
Sly’s lawyer, Travis Cohron, also said his client’s statement — which Sly issued without knowing exactly what he was recanting — was Sly’s idea. According to Cohron, everything Sly said in the documentary about helping pro athletes take performance-enhancing drugs was a fabrication to impress Al Jazeera’s undercover reporter, whom Sly claims he thought was a potential business partner.
“It was pure puffery,” Cohron said of his client’s words. “He was manufacturing a story to bolster his own appearance.”
The story Sly said he made up contained at least a bit of truth, though: The Guyer Institute did ship medication to Ashley Manning, Fleischer confirmed.
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“My name is Charles Sly,” he began. “It has come to my attention that the broadcaster Al Jazeera has somehow obtained recordings or communications of me making statements concerning a number of athletes . . . There is no truth to any statement of mine that Al Jazeera plans to air.”
So how do you recant something when you have no knowledge of the specifics?
Also, it's all "pure puffery" except for, you know, the parts that are true. Which I recant. If I knew what they were.
What's going to be annoying is two years from now, after Manning has a statue outside of ESPN, when it comes out that Manning paid Sly $200,000 to recant "everything" he said without knowing what had been recorded, and after his wife divorces him and reveals that the HGH was never for her.
Yeah I think it's pretty likely there was a payoff and it's not getting enough attention. The family called 911. Then when cops showed up they said there was nothing wrong. What else could these strange intimidating men done in between? The Sly family just decided they enjoyed a conversation with two men asking questions about their son. And the men wouldn't identify who sent them but that wasn't concerning?
It doesn't make any sense. He was bragging about illegal activities to impress a potential business partner? That just doesn't pass the smell test. Why in the world would he think that illegally providing HGH would somehow make his business more attractive if he wasn't actually doing that? That is almost exactly the opposite of what someone would actually do.
As noted on EEI this morning, last year at this time, the Patriots "cheating" led not only ESPN's broadcasts, but national news broadcasts.
Last night, SportsCenter was on the air for 42 minutes before the anchor mentioned this story. And that report lasted 36 seconds.
Last night, SportsCenter was on the air for 42 minutes before the anchor mentioned this story. And that report lasted 36 seconds.
Manning bankrolled folks to intimidate a witness to change their story and no mention of it anywhere? The double standard for the Patriots and Brady and everybody else in the NFL is so apparent.
Not only that, but let's take this a little further. If this is all to be believed and he is just bragging to potential business partners about something that he has no idea about then why the hell would a pharmacist and physician talk about how great he is? Did he blindly go to them and pay them off to come over to his house at that exact time and basically read a script about how great he is? That entire last section of the WaPo story disproves everything the Manning team is trying to sell us about Charlie Sly
All the talk at this point is window dressing. HGH was sent to Peyton Manning's house while he was trying to recover from an injury that many believed at the time could end his career. Eagle USA Flag America Newspaper has the reigns from Nucular Terrorist Daily Koran Cavetapes. Not good for Sheriff Fathead.
If the NFL buys this story it gives a license to any player to ship HGH to their spouse any time they want to take it. Of course the NFL will only care if the public does and I don't think it's clear they do.
Is Ari Fleischer really that good at his job? I feel like the Bush II administration was continually being exposed for its embarrassingly obvious bullshit. E.g., Mission Accomplished, Katrina, etc.
This is not a rhetorical question. Was he considered to have done relatively well with the shitty cards he was dealt?
This is not a rhetorical question. Was he considered to have done relatively well with the shitty cards he was dealt?
On Fleischer, if memory serves, he was considered good in the moment, in the actual press conferences. I have no idea if he was great at the more "strategic" parts of the job. Keep in mind that post-9/11, the media was particularly quiescent, so it's not like he had the most difficult job in the world for a good chunk of his tenure.
And honestly, one reason he was good in press conferences was that he was unusually shameless even for a DC flack. He was not only comfortable spinning pure B.S. (if not outright lies), but was aggressive and somewhat confrontational about it, in a "how could you possibly think otherwise" kind of way. That's actually pretty hard for a journalist to push back on in the moment without a great command of the underlying facts at his fingertips.
And honestly, one reason he was good in press conferences was that he was unusually shameless even for a DC flack. He was not only comfortable spinning pure B.S. (if not outright lies), but was aggressive and somewhat confrontational about it, in a "how could you possibly think otherwise" kind of way. That's actually pretty hard for a journalist to push back on in the moment without a great command of the underlying facts at his fingertips.