Match Week Nov. 12-14…Is this how it’s done?
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Kulusevski is so important to Spurs attack, that right wing is so much more dangerous when he’s on.
Kane scores after a blatant foul on the Leeds keeper is somehow not VARed. Lenglet jumped right into Meslier well before the ball arrived and knocked him into the net, it was ridiculous.
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Yeah...that was BAD.
Do not even begin to understand how there was only 1 minute of added time. Announcers said Mitchell was getting treatment on the field for 4.5 minutes for that one incident alone.
I enjoyed the announcers enthusiasm in criticizing that decision
And now a Forrest goal, initially waved off for off-side, then after VAR allowed. Wild, kind of looked off side to me but what do I know. I can't tell if this is a particularly good game or if it's just the crowd energy that's giving it that vibe but it feels like a playoff game.
VAR looks like they just picked a frame that happened way after the kick of the ball to take away an offside call and give Forest a goal. WTF?
Right? It looked clearly off side, I was shocked when the announcers were like ooo we're hearing it's going to be called on side.
That pass got to him so quickly from the time they measured the offside call, it simply seemed impossible.
If a professional athlete can't handle that soft of contact without going down, he should maybe consider changing careers. Maybe to acting?
I'm not sure what you mean, that was a full on Mike Tyson upper cut to the face. I'm surprised they didn't need a body bag.
(Apologies to others for the Palace heavy content but I am full of feelings right now and need to vent them).
Everton continue their run of bad luck and worse play. Bad luck on the second of three Bournemouth goals - a clash of heads right in front of Pickford, Tarkowski is down, several seconds pass and then the goal is scored while Pickford and others were trying to call for help. You teach your players to play to the whistle but that was not good.
No excuse though because Toffees were beyond terrible. Again, no attack, but unlike earlier in the season we were just shredded by the Cherries on the counter.
Very ugly scenes at the whistle where the traveling Everton fans were jawing with the players. We were just down at Bournemouth on Tuesday and Bournemouth won the junior varsity/cup sides battle 4-0.
Frank is in trouble.
No excuse though because Toffees were beyond terrible. Again, no attack, but unlike earlier in the season we were just shredded by the Cherries on the counter.
Very ugly scenes at the whistle where the traveling Everton fans were jawing with the players. We were just down at Bournemouth on Tuesday and Bournemouth won the junior varsity/cup sides battle 4-0.
Frank is in trouble.
I forgot that we have the @Seven Costanza Derby today. For once, I'm actually not sure which team to root for.
Well, I agree it should have been a foul. But I can see some logic in that Meslier was already falling backward after making the clearance. Certainly helped by the the two Spurs players
God yes, what was with that guy?
Kane knocked down "seems a little generous", Leeds player knocked down on similar play "can't be much clearer than that".
He just wants a longer post WC break to celebrate the USMNT run to the title!
Yeah, I mean, I'm a Spurs fan, so I won't complain, but if I had to make an argument it's that plus the fact that he did punch the ball away so he did make the play?
Not sure. I'll take it.
Watching the Chelsea Newcastle game. Howe has these guys playing like they are the cream of European football. The likes of Almiron, Willock, Longstaff and Trippier are playing out of their minds.
This has to be worst Chelsea side since before Roman. Even when they downed tools on Mourinho they weren't this shit, just sort of disinterested.
I 100% whiffed on Howe at Newcastle. I was colored by the last year he spent at Bournemouth. Howe’s loyalty there as admirable, but he probably should have jumped at one of the rumored big jobs back then.
Whatever my thoughts, he’s navigated things we’ll and landed in a great spot (sporting-wise).
Whatever my thoughts, he’s navigated things we’ll and landed in a great spot (sporting-wise).
They are 100% hair-on-fire at all times. This is one of those occasions where a team on the come-up really benefits from not being in Europe, because the squad couldn’t sustain this pace twice a week. You’re also right to highlight Trippier, who easily could have just shown up and cashed the checks but seems fully bought in.
He was falling backward as he tried to punch the ball away because of the contact. He didn’t get a good punch on it due to being blundered into.
I mean, it’s consistent with the no-call on Alisson last year, but that wasn’t exactly correct either.
Are there so few ManU fans here any more that this whole thing isn't even being discussed anymore? No 2022-2023 team thread? I know we've called them a bunch of bandwagoning front runners for years, but they're supposedly still the 3rd most popular club in the world.
I’m around. Work is busy but I can post thoughts tonight.
I’ve been off and on about starting the team thread for the past few seasons. Having a family will do that.
It was also exhausting trying to have debates with people who will gleefully point out how bandwagon the club can be while they started following the Premier League less than five years ago…
I’ve been off and on about starting the team thread for the past few seasons. Having a family will do that.
It was also exhausting trying to have debates with people who will gleefully point out how bandwagon the club can be while they started following the Premier League less than five years ago…
Father time catches up to everyone. Including Ronaldo.
While its no surprise that he isn't handling aging gracefully, I don't think you become the competitor that he is without the self arrogance he possesses, I am surprised at how bad he's handled this.
Here are some facts.
In the summer, a day before players were due back to training, his agent told the club he wanted out. United told his agent if he found a club to take him, he could leave for free. He couldn't. I think Ten Haag figured he'd try to make the best of it and play him when he can. I mean he was even captain last game.
United play much better when he's not on the field. Players aren't forcing the ball to him out of fear of being admonished. The team presses more. Bruno and Eriksen are allowed more freedom without Ronaldo getting frustrated and dropping into midfield to receive the ball.
In a way, this is probably a blessing in disguise for Ten Haag. Ronaldo will probably no longer play for the club, and after the first few press conferences once back Ten Haag will be done with the Ronaldo questions.
I just don't know who would want him. Lets assume he and United agree to cancel out his contract and he can start fresh. Would he go to Sporting? Would Chelsea want him? Would he go back to Madrid as a sub and do they want the circus? All of this seems unlikely.
The interview quotes are sad to read. Even if he's right about the Glazers and the club being stagnant. He just comes across as a petty man who cannot handle that he isn't the player he was 10 years ago.
The good news is that 99% of the fanbase seem to be backing the manager. SAF said it best. No player is bigger than the manager at United. ETH has continued that tradition.
While its no surprise that he isn't handling aging gracefully, I don't think you become the competitor that he is without the self arrogance he possesses, I am surprised at how bad he's handled this.
Here are some facts.
In the summer, a day before players were due back to training, his agent told the club he wanted out. United told his agent if he found a club to take him, he could leave for free. He couldn't. I think Ten Haag figured he'd try to make the best of it and play him when he can. I mean he was even captain last game.
United play much better when he's not on the field. Players aren't forcing the ball to him out of fear of being admonished. The team presses more. Bruno and Eriksen are allowed more freedom without Ronaldo getting frustrated and dropping into midfield to receive the ball.
In a way, this is probably a blessing in disguise for Ten Haag. Ronaldo will probably no longer play for the club, and after the first few press conferences once back Ten Haag will be done with the Ronaldo questions.
I just don't know who would want him. Lets assume he and United agree to cancel out his contract and he can start fresh. Would he go to Sporting? Would Chelsea want him? Would he go back to Madrid as a sub and do they want the circus? All of this seems unlikely.
The interview quotes are sad to read. Even if he's right about the Glazers and the club being stagnant. He just comes across as a petty man who cannot handle that he isn't the player he was 10 years ago.
The good news is that 99% of the fanbase seem to be backing the manager. SAF said it best. No player is bigger than the manager at United. ETH has continued that tradition.
Thanks, @Zomp. That’s a great summary.
People have short memories. He kneecapped Juventus with a late transfer request. Juventus have a myriad of management issues and laying their current struggles at CR7’s feet isn’t accurate, but his signing was the beginning of the end.
Am I out to lunch in seeing some similarities between Ronaldo and Brady? Both are absolute physical freaks, obsessed with their fitness, and making some questionable decisions in the twilight of their careers. Both can still play at a high level and don’t need to retire. Brady seems more bent on lighting his personal life on fire, where Ronaldo is torching himself professionally. Are they both becoming victims of what made them great?
People have short memories. He kneecapped Juventus with a late transfer request. Juventus have a myriad of management issues and laying their current struggles at CR7’s feet isn’t accurate, but his signing was the beginning of the end.
Am I out to lunch in seeing some similarities between Ronaldo and Brady? Both are absolute physical freaks, obsessed with their fitness, and making some questionable decisions in the twilight of their careers. Both can still play at a high level and don’t need to retire. Brady seems more bent on lighting his personal life on fire, where Ronaldo is torching himself professionally. Are they both becoming victims of what made them great?
I think that’s it to be honest and your Brady comparison is pretty accurate. I said it in my post but really looking back at his career it was probably wishful thinking to assume he’d accept a substitute’s roll and realize his skills would diminish.
The amount of times he won games for United and Madrid (not sure about Juve) by sheer will is honestly insane. It has to be difficult not accepting you can’t do that anymore.
I don’t even mind that part of it. It’s the sideshow stuff that sucks. Why bring Rooney into it when he didn’t even say anything bad? Same with Neville.
Carragher went on Rio’s YouTube show to speak about it and spoke the most sense out of anyone. Rio, Keane, Evra have all gone to great lengths to support him which is odd. Keane for one knows once you upstage the manager there is no going back.
When he was signed last season I was all for it. I think I said at the time that sometimes sports are more about the results. I was going to be able to watch Ronaldo play for United with my kids. Unfortunately the gamble for the club hasn’t paid off. Time to move on.
The amount of times he won games for United and Madrid (not sure about Juve) by sheer will is honestly insane. It has to be difficult not accepting you can’t do that anymore.
I don’t even mind that part of it. It’s the sideshow stuff that sucks. Why bring Rooney into it when he didn’t even say anything bad? Same with Neville.
Carragher went on Rio’s YouTube show to speak about it and spoke the most sense out of anyone. Rio, Keane, Evra have all gone to great lengths to support him which is odd. Keane for one knows once you upstage the manager there is no going back.
When he was signed last season I was all for it. I think I said at the time that sometimes sports are more about the results. I was going to be able to watch Ronaldo play for United with my kids. Unfortunately the gamble for the club hasn’t paid off. Time to move on.
During the last Euro against Spain (I think), my wife texted after Ronaldo stood over a free kick. Everybody in the stadium knew he was going to score, and he did. Those are his moments.
This will be a question for the ages. Ronaldo had undeniably brilliant moments for Juventus and probably won them some points. That said, they weren’t constructed to play his style, nor were the managers able to adapt. I don’t know how you separate the points he won from how he handicapped the team and sidelined younger players. Ronaldo blew 43 free kicks (25 into the wall and only 11 that troubled the keeper) in a row before he finally scored. This was on a side with two prolific takers in Dybala and Pjanic.
Sarri probably needed another year to play out and may have found a way of blending his side together. Pirlo was an insane hire to begin with, and his clearly stated style was one of total football. I think if he could have found 10 of himself he’d have done well (then again, 10 prime Pirlos would win most games). He had no experience whatsoever in dealing with an ego like CR7, nor did he have any plan mesh Ronaldo with his existing players and style. I am certain that Ronaldo pulled points out of his hat, but I have no idea what a side that didn’t need to deal with him would have looked like or been capable of.
I think there's somewhat of a difference in the sense that Brady appears to still be a top 3 or 4 player in the world at his position and Ronaldo is struggling to be a top 3 or 4 player at his position in his current club at the moment. Ronaldo two years ago at Juventus feels like a closer comparison, but fuck if he wasn't still insanely prolific while there.
@Zomp, really appreciate the supporter take on this. Given full hindsight and where things are right now, would you have preferred if he never returned to ManU at all in 2021? It's hard to know what the alternatives at the time really would have been. I don't think returning to Madrid was a realistic option or would have played out any better than ManU is right now. I think that might have been the time to go to Sporting and just have him bang in 25+ goals a year for two years.
Where does he go now? It feels like ManU has to just let him walk on a free transfer this winter if he can find someone that's interested, but I'm not sure he'll actually be able to do that at least to a club that is at a Champions League level. While I think MLS is in his future, I think he's saving that for when he feels like he's truly done and he doesn't yet feel like he has to drop to that level yet (and he probably doesn't).
Yes of course I would have rather he not return if this is how it was going to end.
The other option for Ronaldo was to go to City. They had an agreement and he was going to go. I actually think he would have done well there as well.
United will let him go on a free if he can find a club that wants him. I'm not sure if there is one. If I'm Ten Haag and he's still here after January I tell him to stay home for the rest of his contract which is up at the end of the season.
The other option for Ronaldo was to go to City. They had an agreement and he was going to go. I actually think he would have done well there as well.
United will let him go on a free if he can find a club that wants him. I'm not sure if there is one. If I'm Ten Haag and he's still here after January I tell him to stay home for the rest of his contract which is up at the end of the season.
This might be damning, but it lacks the context of how many games with and without. Looks like he's started 4 (subbed off in one), subbed on 6, and didn't play at all in 4. So, is this the 4 games he's started vs. the 4 he hasn't? How do his 6 sub appearances fit?
Thanks, Sky. Now I have to do my own research, and I've seen how that ends. See you on Newsmax.
Thanks, Sky. Now I have to do my own research, and I've seen how that ends. See you on Newsmax.