Davis is an interesting one, I remember a lot of buzz about him pre-draft, that he was a fast riser on teams radar, but then he goes undrafted. Wtf GM's?
He told teams pre-draft that he wouldn’t accept a two-way, but I was still surprised he didn’t get drafted.Davis is an interesting one, I remember a lot of buzz about him pre-draft, that he was a fast riser on teams radar, but then he goes undrafted. Wtf GM's?
Holy crap that Fred Van Vleet draft party speech is some good stuff.He told teams pre-draft that he wouldn’t accept a two-way, but I was still surprised he didn’t get drafted.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/raptors-bet-on-undrafted-terence-davis-whose-gamble-on-himself-has-already-paid-off/
He definitely had some buzz. Pretty sure some of us discussed him a bit in the predraft thread.
To be fair, before Paul and Bron these guys wouldn't have ANY contract or opportunity in what was then 13-man rosters without the two-ways. Today, they have 15 guaranteed NBA roster spots along with the two-way opportunities for these guys. The two-way and G-League is designed for opportunity......not for guys to make a living long-term.Holy crap that Fred Van Vleet draft party speech is some good stuff.
AND the CBA needs to start getting these two-way guys and G-league players paid much more. Chris Paul, Bron and all their woke buddies need to start spreading the player cap wealth a bit more evenly.
Why did you bet the over under at 37.5 somewhere? Or are you desperately targeting someone at pick 13 that won't be there at pick 17?II need these assholes to go 9-19 or something like that and looking at the schedule it might be possible.
Yeah, 26 games left and a 3.5 game cushion doesn't square with an 8% chance of making the playoffs. A tough schedule shouldn't be enough to do that.What's weird is that FiveThirtyEight shows them here as having an 8% chance of making the playoffs. ??? Meanwhile, the Pelicans supposedly have a 65% chance. Not sure what's being factored into this analysis, but that would be great if it's accurate.
The Pelicans have the easiest post-ASB schedule and have been playing .640 ball since their 6-22 start. Even if they just keep up that pace that projects out to another 17 wins. Memphis has a brutal 26 game stretch coming up after fattening themselves up on a weak January schedule. Put another way, I think the odds of the Pelicans reaching .500 are better than the Grizzlies’.What's weird is that FiveThirtyEight shows them here as having an 8% chance of making the playoffs. ??? Meanwhile, the Pelicans supposedly have a 65% chance. Not sure what's being factored into this analysis, but that would be great if it's accurate.
That's fair. How much more likely do you think the Pelicans are to reach .500 than the Grizzlies? 538 seems to think NO is about 8x more likely to do so, which seems incredible to me.The Pelicans have the easiest post-ASB schedule and have been playing .640 ball since their 6-22 start. Even if they just keep up that pace that projects out to another 17 wins. Memphis has a brutal 26 game stretch coming up after fattening themselves up on a weak January schedule. Put another way, I think the odds of the Pelicans reaching .500 are better than the Grizzlies’.
When will Ja Morant hit the rookie wall?This news might help the pick a bit.
Jackson sprained knee
“Memphis Grizzlies forward Jaren Jackson Jr. has a sprained left knee and will be reevaluated in two weeks, the team said Sunday.”
Yeah but when your primary competitor has the easiest schedule along with Zion then this becomes more than a simple math equation. There are other factors that you must factor which 538 has done.Yeah, 26 games left and a 3.5 game cushion doesn't square with an 8% chance of making the playoffs. A tough schedule shouldn't be enough to do that.
If they slide with Clarke and JJJ out, the schedules of the 3 teams behind them could do a lot of work for us.They could slide all the way to #10 in the lottery! Unlikely but we can hope
now we're talking, and with a draft that considered weak by everyone, teams in front of the C's may value a package of 1st rounders (10 +26 +30) for say #7 or 8?They could slide all the way to #10 in the lottery! Unlikely but we can hope
Yeah, or you just make the picks and cut the guys who don't pass the "will I kick myself really hard for cutting them" test. I'd probably rather cut/dump Javonte/VP/Tacko/Semi/Edwards to get a crack at seeing how a 26 and 30 pan out, since it's not at all crazy to find solid rotation guys there.now we're talking, and with a draft that considered weak by everyone, teams in front of the C's may value a package of 1st rounders (10 +26 +30) for say #7 or 8?
Yeah, finding room for first round picks shouldn't be an issue.Yeah, or you just make the picks and cut the guys who don't pass the "will I kick myself really hard for cutting them" test. I'd probably rather cut/dump Javonte/VP/Tacko/Semi/Edwards to get a crack at seeing how a 26 and 30 pan out, since it's not at all crazy to find solid rotation guys there.
Yeah unless there was someone at 7 they really liked. I think they'd just be better off taking the picks though. 10 26 and 30 probably would get you to 6 or 7 tho. At least it did with the Eddie Griffin trade.Yeah, or you just make the picks and cut the guys who don't pass the "will I kick myself really hard for cutting them" test. I'd probably rather cut/dump Javonte/VP/Tacko/Semi/Edwards to get a crack at seeing how a 26 and 30 pan out, since it's not at all crazy to find solid rotation guys there.
Right, exactly. They’re already not playing Javonte and VP ever at all, and Semi is moving into that territory as Brad gains confidence in Romeo and Grant (2 rookies who are getting significant time now). I could see Carsen being the one they want to cut the least, just because they have him locked up for awhile and want to give the shot a chance to pan out.Yeah unless there was someone at 7 they really liked. I think they'd just be better off taking the picks though. 10 26 and 30 probably would get you to 6 or 7 tho. At least it did with the Eddie Griffin trade.
I think there will be roster spots. It just requires cutting some "binkies." There's always the "they won't play 5 rookies" story but they've done it a few times recently.
I think Danny will be able to sign a vet or two on the cheap(min) this summer since they will be a title contender in 2021. The Bucks were able to get Wes Matthews, Marvin Williams, Pat Connaughton(?), Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez, Brooks Lopez (initially) on the cheap because of ring chasingRight, exactly. They’re already not playing Javonte and VP ever at all, and Semi is moving into that territory as Brad gains confidence in Romeo and Grant (2 rookies who are getting significant time now). I could see Carsen being the one they want to cut the least, just because they have him locked up for awhile and want to give the shot a chance to pan out.
The main thing I don’t love in all this is that you lose the chance to build a solid vet rotation around your stars like Milwaukee has.
There are no "binkies", just initial optimism to give cheap/controlled rookies a shot to fill bench roles. Romeo and Grant are finding those roles, the others aren't there yet. Nobody is banging the doors for the other rookies (Carsen, Tacko, Tre, etc) playing real minutes or having bigger roles now.I think there will be roster spots. It just requires cutting some "binkies." There's always the "they won't play 5 rookies" story but they've done it a few times recently.
There are always binkies.There are no "binkies", just initial optimism to give cheap/controlled rookies a shot to fill bench roles. Romeo and Grant are finding those roles, the others aren't there yet. Nobody is banging the doors for the other rookies (Carsen, Tacko, Tre, etc) playing real minutes or having bigger roles now.
Carsen was given a shot earlier this year, it didnt hurt the Celtics chances of winning, and he was unable to be a sparkplug off the bench. The Celtics learned something at no cost, that's smart development and roster mgmt.
ha haThere are always binkies.
In the world of 17 man rosters, more and more 2nd round picks will have NBA careers anyway so people will be vindicated 9-10 years from now when these players have 10 year careers.ha ha
I was probably the most optimistic on Edwards around here to start the season. And now after seeing the evidence, Waters or Edwards is a coin toss who stays (or both go).
The Celtics tried to develop early in the season with low leverage NBA minutes, big Maine minutes, coach them up, see the work ethic in the gym/film. Rinse/repeat. See which players stick for a few million here and there. That's the world of late firsts/2nd rounders/UDFAs. Grant is sticking. Romeo is developing. Waters or Edwards, if I squint, can eventually take Wanamaker's role next season. It's all good.
If that is BINKY-ing, guilty as charged
In what sense?There are always binkies.
As long as the attachment doesn’t preclude rational moves, I don’t see the issue. At a certain point you have to have some fun when watching sports, and rooting for young guys is fun.In the world of 17 man rosters, more and more 2nd round picks will have NBA careers anyway so people will be vindicated 9-10 years from now when these players have 10 year careers.
This summer, some guy acquired outside of the 1st round will dominate the summer league, look great in exhibition and will become the new binky. They'll basically draft the next Edwards, Waters, Fall. Rinse and repeat. They are binkies when you get attached to them. Most of the time, people don't stay attached too long.
There's also the anti binky where no matter what a player does, no one will like him. See Yabusele. I mean, he sucked but so does Zizic and we binkied him to the moon.
edit: I also don't think you can "binky" lottery picks. They were lottery picks for a reason.
You shut your dirty whore mouth. Tacko is going to have a 10-year career once he learns to play... um, well, anything.I'd probably rather cut/dump Javonte/VP/Tacko/Semi/Edwards to get a crack at seeing how a 26 and 30 pan out...
You had Ben Hogan predicting Carsen Edwards to finish top 3 in ROY voting. That's "binky." I never said it was harmful because BenHogan and other SoSH poster aren't our GM.In what sense?
(Of course, if you're still arguing with the bicameral head voices of posters who liked Nader, then *shrug*)
As long as the attachment doesn’t preclude rational moves, I don’t see the issue. At a certain point you have to have some fun when watching sports, and rooting for young guys is fun.
He could get an NBA contract and still get a 2nd year in the G league. If you are asking if they could get him on a 2 way deal again... I dunno.Can Tacko play a second year in the G-league, or do you think some other team will give him an NBA job?
I was optimistic, no harm in that. I mean I could be a cynic with every 2nd rounder/UDFA and be right 80% of the time, but you try them out and see how it plays. No harm/no foul. The other side of the coin is being caustic and having a Dan Shaughnessey take on all athletes.You had Ben Hogan predicting Carsen Edwards to finish top 3 in ROY voting. That's "binky." I never said it was harmful because BenHogan and other SoSH poster aren't our GM.
I just use binky as shorthand for anyone acquired after the 1st round who hasn't proven anything and even if they end up doing ok, they are still replaceable. Their roster spot shouldn't be presumed safe.I was optimistic, no harm in that. I mean I could be a cynic with every 2nd rounder/UDFA and be right 80% of the time, but you try them out and see how it plays. No harm/no foul. The other side of the coin is being caustic and having a Dan Shaughnessey take on all athletes.
CBS played Edwards perfectly. We saw that he was overwhelmed after 2 months in the show, and I was on the record for saying move him down to Maine to get reps (which happened).
Now if I was to say TL was going to be our saviour once he returns from his 12th instance of being injured/inactive, now that's irrational and binky-like
Fair enough. Cheap, end of the bench fodder.I just use binky as shorthand for anyone acquired after the 1st round who hasn't proven anything and even if they end up doing ok, they are still replaceable. Their roster spot shouldn't be presumed safe.
the injuries and schedule are troublesome for the Grizz.Grizzlies losers of 3 straight now, but no movement in the standings yet.
I still don’t think everyone realizes how good this Pelicans team is and how highly regarded they are. The Lakers hosted both Boston and New Orleans this week and were identical 7-7.5 pt favorites against each. How would we feel if the Celtics were 3 games behind Memphis right now with the easiest remaining schedule in the league.....pretty good right?the injuries and schedule are troublesome for the Grizz.
Zion and the Pels played the Lakers tough, I see them chasing down that last playoff spot. Hopefully Pop and Stotts can get their teams to play up also
whoa Vegas knows. Didn't realize the Pels were getting that much respect, then again they handed the Celtics their worst loss in the last monthI still don’t think everyone realizes how good this Pelicans team is and how highly regarded they are. The Lakers hosted both Boston and New Orleans this week and were identical 7-7.5 pt favorites against each. How would we feel if the Celtics were 3 games behind Memphis right now with the easiest remaining schedule in the league.....pretty good right?
You must not watch nearly as much University of Purdue-Fort Wayne basketball as you should. The Mastodons took care of business tonight against an overmatched University of Denver squad who are clearly longing for their days when Sinbad donned the Crimson and Gold.Some of these Grizz guys off the bench I have NEVER heard of, and watch a good amount of college basketball. Watanabe is the guy I HAVE heard of.