Add the Celts #1 pick and it would be fair to Memphis. They could resign Evans after the season if he's in their long term plans. That said, perhaps there's a better offer out there they could get.Seems fair to who?
Add the Celts #1 pick and it would be fair to Memphis. They could resign Evans after the season if he's in their long term plans. That said, perhaps there's a better offer out there they could get.Seems fair to who?
Why would OKC want love?I wonder what OKC would say about a George for Love swap?
Our offense is predicated on the bigs spacing the floor to open up dribble penetration lanes for 3-point kickouts and using the big for pick-n-pops......neither Monroe or Noel have this skillset. The one dimension that they possess disrupts the entire motion offense when one player is a square peg looking to fit into a round hole. I'm not driving the Monroe bus, but what is Theis doing on offense the Monroe couldn't? In ~13mpg Theis is scoring 4.8pts and .6 assists. I would ask the same question of Nerlens Noel, whom I do pine irrationally for. Is it perhaps that Monroe simply wouldn't do what was asked? That seems plausible. Anyway, the idea that a largely one dimensional big can't bring value in this system seems inaccurate, especially when Brad gets to play him in limited minutes of his choosing.
Ainge has made a living on utilizing those players to fill his second unit on cheap rookie contracts. Giving that up for the right to pay Tyreke doesn't seem to fit his M.O......if we want to pay top dollar for a second unit guard we can simply sign Smart without giving up that rookie contract value.Add the Celts #1 pick and it would be fair to Memphis. They could resign Evans after the season if he's in their long term plans. That said, perhaps there's a better offer out there they could get.
This is a more reasonable offer. But, Memphis cannot keep Evans after this year either way. They don't have full Bird rights and are capped out. Similarly, a team acquiring him won't be able to keep him unless they have cap room.Add the Celts #1 pick and it would be fair to Memphis. They could resign Evans after the season if he's in their long term plans. That said, perhaps there's a better offer out there they could get.
George is a free agent at the end of the year and they are probably going to lose him for nothing. Adding an All-Star talent would be a nice way to salvage that deal. Plus Love helps space the floor and he at least has history playing with Westbrook.Why would OKC want love?
Eh, Love is a defensive liability. Sure, the Thunder might lose George, but they just got rid of an all-offense big man (Enes Kanter). I doubt if they would be in the market for another.George is a free agent at the end of the year and they are probably going to lose him for nothing. Adding an All-Star talent would be a nice way to salvage that deal. Plus Love helps space the floor and he at least has history playing with Westbrook.
I think he was discussing Memphis re-signing Evans if they want him back.Ainge has made a living on utilizing those players to fill his second unit on cheap rookie contracts. Giving that up for the right to pay Tyreke doesn't seem to fit his M.O......if we want to pay top dollar for a second unit guard we can simply sign Smart without giving up that rookie contract value.
talk like that is going to lure LondonSox back to the Port CellarI wonder if Cleveland and Lebron could reach a point in the next few weeks where they conclude a trade makes the most sense for both sides. If he already knows where he wants to play next year, is there a deal where it makes sense for that team to give up something in order to get him this year?
Let's say hypothetically it's Philly. Fultz plus Reddick works in the trade machine.
which late 20s first round pick or 2nd rounder have filled the Celtics 2nd unit?Ainge has made a living on utilizing those players to fill his second unit on cheap rookie contracts. Giving that up for the right to pay Tyreke doesn't seem to fit his M.O......if we want to pay top dollar for a second unit guard we can simply sign Smart without giving up that rookie contract value.
Well, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are better, right?So ESPN drops a bomb this morning that the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs is fractured and no one has tried to wishcast him to their favorite team yet. What has this place become?
(Yes, I know they aren't trading him. It hasn't stopped anyone before. See: AD).
I would like to think that Boston fans, of all people, view ESPN reports of discord between well run organizations and their biggest stars with a healthy dose of skepticism.So ESPN drops a bomb this morning that the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs is fractured and no one has tried to wishcast him to their favorite team yet. What has this place become?
(Yes, I know they aren't trading him. It hasn't stopped anyone before. See: AD).
Rodney Hood is available. Another one of those RFAs that has particular benefits both now and in the future with the options it would give BOS.
Yabusele + BOS 2018 1st?
So Nader, Larkin, Yabusele and Morris for KL? Throw in a future pick or two. Works on the trade machine.So ESPN drops a bomb this morning that the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs is fractured and no one has tried to wishcast him to their favorite team yet. What has this place become?
(Yes, I know they aren't trading him. It hasn't stopped anyone before. See: AD).
I guess it depends on the prognosis, no?Well, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are better, right?
I would think the Brooklyn pick would have to be in there for Charlotte to be interested, otherwise why do you want Love and Shumpert?Love + Shumpert + Rose for Kemba + Batum (or Williams + MKG) works in trade machine
That would be a lot to give up for Kemba Walker. I know they are all turning on Love in Cleveland, but he's still worth more than a slightly above average PG. Throwing in the Brooklyn pick and taking back Batum's albatross contract would be a gross overpay.I would think the Brooklyn pick would have to be in there for Charlotte to be interested, otherwise why do you want Love and Shumpert?
Yes, to clarify my original post I think Cleveland would have to throw in the Brooklyn pick for Lillard, but probably not for McCollum. I'm not sure that Love changes the direction of the Blazers that much, but it gives them slightly more roster balance. If they did that and made a move on DeAndre Jordan (who they are connected to in rumors) that makes a lot more sense. Lillard/Love/Jordan is the kind of core that could solidify them as a top four team in the West.Love's an Oregon kid, so I'm sure he'd be thrilled to move back there. McCollum-for-Love straight up seems like a pretty fair deal for both sides — if anything, I'd think the Blazers should be the ones to kick in a sweetener. Not sure how much it adds to the Cavs, who have plenty of scorers and not enough size or defense, but if it's as dysfunctional there as Woj makes it out to be, maybe they're motivated to make a lateral-ish move that also makes them a bit faster and younger.
From the Blazers' perspective, Lillard + Love seems like a better foundation for something half-decent than what they have now. And I'd assume Olshey would be fine making a move just to shake things up, too. They may not be as dysfunctional as Cleveland or Washington, but they're pretty clearly running in place.
Not sure I would call him a slightly above average PG. I think he is clearly in the 2nd tier behind the CurryHarden/Paul/etc tier, but he is near the top of that tier. He is signed on an insanely cheap deal for next year too.That would be a lot to give up for Kemba Walker. I know they are all turning on Love in Cleveland, but he's still worth more than a slightly above average PG.
Okay, that's fine but he's still second tier. You aren't giving your All-Star forward, lottery pick and taking back Batum's toxic deal to get him.Not sure I would call him a slightly above average PG. I think he is clearly in the 2nd tier behind the CurryHarden/Paul/etc tier, but he is near the top of that tier. He is signed on an insanely cheap deal for next year too.
I was mostly kidding to mock how much Celtics fans(myself included) love Brown and Tatum.I guess it depends on the prognosis, no?
Seriously? Ainge has filled his 2nd unit up with rookie contracts and cheap value FA's for a decade.which late 20s first round pick or 2nd rounder have filled the Celtics 2nd unit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history
Not to single you out, but I always hate when this supposition is made. Not every person loves where they grew up and wants to go back and certainly not when it would bring on the added annoyance of ticket requests, hangers on, etc, that it would with an NBA star. It might very well be true, but there's no reason to think it would make it more attractive or less based simply of "he grew up there". Nostalgia doesn't weigh equally with everyone.Love's an Oregon kid, so I'm sure he'd be thrilled to move back there.
They are definitely fantastic future parts, though Brown's handle still worries me. He may just top out as high end 3 & D guy.I was mostly kidding to mock how much Celtics fans(myself included) love Brown and Tatum.
On the other hand he seems to be abjectly miserable at the moment, and being forced to spend time in Cleveland to boot. I'm sure that even if he loathed every last second of his existence in Oregon while there, it probably looks like paradise today.Not to single you out, but I always hate when this supposition is made. Not every person loves where they grew up and wants to go back and certainly not when it would bring on the added annoyance of ticket requests, hangers on, etc, that it would with an NBA star. It might very well be true, but there's no reason to think it would make it more attractive or less based simply of "he grew up there". Nostalgia doesn't weigh equally with everyone.
Yeah, I think it's flawed logic in many cases — Wizards fans assuming KD was pining to return to his rather rough roots in Prince George's county, MD, e.g. It wasn't a totally generic supposition in the case of Love, though: I'm not sure about Oregon per se, but I know in the Summer of 2014 when the Love-to-GS rumors were hot heavy, there was much talk from his camp about how totally stoked he'd be to get back on the West Coast.Not to single you out, but I always hate when this supposition is made. Not every person loves where they grew up and wants to go back and certainly not when it would bring on the added annoyance of ticket requests, hangers on, etc, that it would with an NBA star. It might very well be true, but there's no reason to think it would make it more attractive or less based simply of "he grew up there". Nostalgia doesn't weigh equally with everyone.
Love was Little League teammates with Klay Thompson in Lake Oswego ... git'er done, TheoYeah, I think it's flawed logic in many cases — ... but I know in the Summer of 2014 when the Love-to-GS rumors were hot heavy, there was much talk from his camp about how totally stoked he'd be to get back on the West Coast.
Agreed, the Celtics roster has been filled out with cheap vet FA, top 25 first round picks and other teams picks. Maybe I misunderstood your post, but this is what you said about Ainge trading the Celtics 2018 first round pick:Seriously? Ainge has filled his 2nd unit up with rookie contracts and cheap value FA's for a decade.
Tony Allen, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Rondo, and Perkins were all rotation players on Ainge's first championship team with each on their cheap rookie deal. The rest of the non-Big 3 rotation was filled by cheap FA in Posey, Eddie House, Cassell, and PJ Brown.
Delonte West, Semih Erden, Greg Steimsma, Sullinger, Olynyk, Pressey,.....Rozier is filling that role right now. The list of cheap vet FA filling out the second unity over the years is too lengthy to even write.
If the game was played on a spreadsheet I'd agree but Hill is a solid role player who isn't the type to raise up awful teammates in Sacramento as that simply isn't his game. Naturally his numbers would be awful in that environment. It isn't like he suddenly became a horrific basketball player overnight......he was in an impossible situation for him to succeed in with the Kings.Windhorst says the Cavs-Kings talks for George Hill are "at the 1 yard line." Rumored names that could be in the deal are Iman Shumpert, Derrick Rose, and Channing Frye.
George Hill's net rating for this year is a putrid -12.6(defensive rating of 113!!). How the hell is he going to help any of Cleveland's woes?
Current rating aside he has a good defensive reputation, he knocks down open 3s and he won't cost much to acquire. That's a no brainer for Cleveland. He has sucked this year because he's on a crap team full of rookies.Windhorst says the Cavs-Kings talks for George Hill are "at the 1 yard line." Rumored names that could be in the deal are Iman Shumpert, Derrick Rose, and Channing Frye.
George Hill's net rating for this year is a putrid -12.6(defensive rating of 113!!). How the hell is he going to help any of Cleveland's woes?
Cavs desperately need a good defender at guard. Thomas, Smith, Calderon, Rose is a truly horrible set of defensive guards. Hill will do that, and he's a fine playmaker, and a good shooter. This is a no brainer.Current rating aside he has a good defensive reputation, he knocks down open 3s and he won't cost much to acquire. That's a no brainer for Cleveland. He has sucked this year because he's on a crap team full of rookies.
I know what Hill has done in his career but it’s really tough to be as bad as he’s been defensively without suffering a slip in his game. His D rating is one of the worst in the entire NBA. Am I to believe he’ll just flip a switch and become a much better player in Cleveland? Sure, his stats should go up a bit by being on a better team but not dramatically. He chose to take the money and go to Sacramento and should’ve known what he was getting himself into.If the game was played on a spreadsheet I'd agree but Hill is a solid role player who isn't the type to raise up awful teammates in Sacramento as that simply isn't his game. Naturally his numbers would be awful in that environment. It isn't like he suddenly became a horrific basketball player overnight......he was in an impossible situation for him to succeed in with the Kings.
Again, he chose to go there. I’m not feeling any sympathy for him if he’s sulking and not playing well.Current rating aside he has a good defensive reputation, he knocks down open 3s and he won't cost much to acquire. That's a no brainer for Cleveland. He has sucked this year because he's on a crap team full of rookies.
They have Shumpert back, he's a strong defender. But it looks likely he'd be heading to Sacramento in that deal.Cavs desperately need a good defender at guard. Thomas, Smith, Calderon, Rose is a truly horrible set of defensive guards. Hill will do that, and he's a fine playmaker, and a good shooter. This is a no brainer.
EDIT: forgot to mention Wade, who can still turn it on, obviously, and be a really good defender
Nobody is asking you to feel sympathy. It seems that people are trying to say that his numbers this year should be taken in context of a shitty situation, and perhaps his career numbers should also be considered.Again, he chose to go there. I’m not feeling any sympathy for him if he’s sulking and not playing well.
Per 538: .56 (GSW) x .22 (CLE) = 12.3% chance of another GSW/CLE finals.They have Shumpert back, he's a strong defender. But it looks likely he'd be heading to Sacramento in that deal.
It's hilarious that the knights of talk radio are still talking about what moves Cleveland can make to match up with Golden State. They are not going to see Golden State again.