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2018 second round, maybe. Anthony Bennett was already regarded as a colossal bust.
This seems like hindsight bias. He had a very disappointing rookie season but he was still one year removed from being the no. 1 pick. People were skeptical but I think the expectation was he'd still be a productive player even if he didn't reach his perceived upside.
 

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This seems like hindsight bias. He had a very disappointing rookie season but he was still one year removed from being the no. 1 pick. People were skeptical but I think the expectation was he'd still be a productive player even if he didn't reach his perceived upside.
Bennett had a horrible rookie season. I don't think he even played as well as Kwame Brown did his rookie season.
 

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Bennett had a horrible rookie season. I don't think he even played as well as Kwame Brown did his rookie season.
Yes this is how I recall it too. He had zero trade value after his rookie year. This was a kid who was expecting to go 5-6th in one of the worst drafts ever......he had little trade value BEFORE his rookie season to begin with. In a normal draft he was a borderline lottery pick.
 

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This seems like hindsight bias. He had a very disappointing rookie season but he was still one year removed from being the no. 1 pick. People were skeptical but I think the expectation was he'd still be a productive player even if he didn't reach his perceived upside.
It isn't hindsight bias, Bennett was regarded dubiously when Grant wasted the #1 pick on him, and he had an historically bad rookie year. His trade value was pretty much nil at the time. He was a 6'7" PF that lacked the quickness and shooting range that makes guys like Dre' Green successful.
 

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Might Bennett be the worst #1 pick ever in any sport? To have essentially zero trade value within a year, and not because of injury/drugs?
 

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I think that LaRue Martin has that title down pat. Especially given the alternatives. Had Grant taken the Greek Freak, the Cavs might never have traded for Love. Thank god he didn't.
 

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Well, Atlanta jerked Horford around and lost him for nothing. So perhaps they will be reasonable in what they are willing to take for Millsap. On the flip side, he has a player option for $21.5M, so if you are not willing to give him a deal starting at more than that, he's probably a rental.

I love the way these things get reported. The Hawks are "willing to listen" to offers for Millsap. As if they were doing the rest of the league a favor by entertaining offers for a player they are almost certainly going to lose anyway.
 

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I love Millsap but I don't think I'd give up one of the Brooklyn picks for a 31 year old rental. Best I could come up with is Smart + Amir (for salary reasons) + 2018 BOS first, but probably Atlanta just chooses a 1st round elimination over that.
 

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Matt Bush was a serious contender until his unlikely comeback as a pitcher.
 

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The Candy Man was a bust, but he came close to averaging a double double several years for the Clips. Bennett is on his fourth team in four years, was out of the league for a while and is getting DNP-CDs for the woeful Nets.
Through 4 years, there is a decent argument for Olowakandi being worse, other close calls in NBA are Kwame Brown and LaRue Martin) Martin only played 4 years, so he's the frontrunner to me.
 

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Olowokandi got a 3 year deal in free agency. Let's see Bennett pull that off.
 

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Olowokandi got a 3 year deal in free agency. Let's see Bennett pull that off.
FTR, my vote for Olowokandi is based on 3 likely HOFers being drafted after him. Bennett is a worse player but was in a poor draft. Although that draft looks like it's getting better as the years go on.
 

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Of local note, Ken Sims and Pervis Ellison have to be up there. I'm a no on Millsap. He's a high priced rental that still isn't going to put this team anywhere near topping Cleveland. Build to try to be the next great Eastern Conference team.
 

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I might consider Millsap as part of a three team deal with Doc to bring Blake Griffin to Boston, so long as the Hawks were being reasonable on the cost front and were willing to take something like Rozier, Yabusele, and Boston's 2018 #1 for the rental (plus Zeller for filler, obviously).

Because on the other end I could see Rivers taking his shot at the Warriors by adding Millsap, Crowder, and Bradley.
 

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Nah, the answer is Brien Taylor
Injury. Anthony Bennett stayed healthy, had no substance abuse, and had zero trade value at the end of his first year. I'm my sure anyone else did the same.
 

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Injury. Anthony Bennett stayed healthy, had no substance abuse, and had zero trade value at the end of his first year. I'm my sure anyone else did the same.
I was specifically noting him in comparison to Matt Bush. But your point is valid
 

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I was specifically noting him in comparison to Matt Bush. But your point is valid
It's all good. This is a fun discussion and Taylor is a definite candidate depending on how you look at it.
 

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Of local note, Ken Sims and Pervis Ellison have to be up there. I'm a no on Millsap. He's a high priced rental that still isn't going to put this team anywhere near topping Cleveland. Build to try to be the next great Eastern Conference team.
Are we sure the price is high? Or that he's a rental? Or that he puts Boston nowhere near beating Cleveland?

He's a really, really good basketball player. He'd very likely be the Celtics best player. He's not going to cost a ton because he's headed to free agency, and he's elite on both ends of the floor and fits what the C's do pretty perfectly.

Is there an Eastern conference team that would scare Cleveland more than Bradley-Thomas-Crowder-Millsap-Horford? Defensively I'm not sure you could match up with Cleveland better than that, and Millsap adds a real scorer. If you can give yourself a pubcher's chance at the finals and the cost isn't high, you should.
 

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Didn't Taylor break his hand in a bar fight or some such nonsense? That would qualify as injury, no?
 

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Are we sure the price is high? Or that he's a rental? Or that he puts Boston nowhere near beating Cleveland?

He's a really, really good basketball player. He'd very likely be the Celtics best player. He's not going to cost a ton because he's headed to free agency, and he's elite on both ends of the floor and fits what the C's do pretty perfectly.

Is there an Eastern conference team that would scare Cleveland more than Bradley-Thomas-Crowder-Millsap-Horford? Defensively I'm not sure you could match up with Cleveland better than that, and Millsap adds a real scorer. If you can give yourself a pubcher's chance at the finals and the cost isn't high, you should.
Yes, not to mention that the Raptors are likely in on him as well. I would definitely kick the tires on Millsap.
 

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I might consider Millsap as part of a three team deal with Doc to bring Blake Griffin to Boston, so long as the Hawks were being reasonable on the cost front and were willing to take something like Rozier, Yabusele, and Boston's 2018 #1 for the rental (plus Zeller for filler, obviously).

Because on the other end I could see Rivers taking his shot at the Warriors by adding Millsap, Crowder, and Bradley.

You want to give up Rozier, Yabusele, a 1st, Bradley, Zeller and Crowder for Blake Griffin? Or am I reading this wrong? Because that seems like a horrid overpay.
 

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Did he delete a tweet or two? Because the one I saw didn't say anything about leaving, just that he wasn't happy about fans cheering members of the other team
 

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Trading for Millsap would be like the Ray Allen trade. The Celtics would still be a major piece away.

The Allen trade worked because the Celtics still had the pieces to deal, the CBA was friendlier to player movement, and Garnett and Gasol were going to be hitting the market soon.
 

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Meh. He is responding to a fans tweet about going back to Dallas. I wouldnt read too much into it, and I certainly wouldn't call it an angry twitter rant.
 

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Trading for Millsap would be like the Ray Allen trade. The Celtics would still be a major piece away.

The Allen trade worked because the Celtics still had the pieces to deal, the CBA was friendlier to player movement, and Garnett and Gasol were going to be hitting the market soon.
When the Celtics traded for Ray Allen were they the 3 seed in the East?
 

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Sure, him or one of the Brooklyn picks. Would you give any of that up for a rental and the upper hand in signing a 31 year old to a max deal? I would not.
There's no way the Hawks get anything close to the value of Brown or a Brooklyn pick for Millsap.
 

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I also don't think the Cs plus Millsap are a major piece away. Assuming it costs something like Brown plus picks, this team is right there given their depth and defense (especially with Millsap). Their wings will test Cleveland and Golden State and Millsap instantly upgrades their offense. They would still be small but they would go from a team that is tough but manageable for Cleveland to something more scary. Ditto GS or the Spurs.
 

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There's no way the Hawks get anything close to the value of Brown or a Brooklyn pick for Millsap.
What if the deal were contingent on Millsap opting into the final year of his contract for $21.5 M next season? Would that change the calculus?
 

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Millsap would be a massive upgrade over Amir, but I don't think he's the piece that makes this team a contender. How much better is a starting 5 of Horford-Millsap-IT-Bradley-Crowder than a starting 5 of Horford-Millsap-Teague-Korver-Bazemore? The latter got swept by Cleveland in the second round last year and it was hardly even competitive.
 

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Millsap would be a massive upgrade over Amir, but I don't think he's the piece that makes this team a contender. How much better is a starting 5 of Horford-Millsap-IT-Bradley-Crowder than a starting 5 of Horford-Millsap-Teague-Korver-Bazemore? The latter got swept by Cleveland in the second round last year and it was hardly even competitive.
IMO its far and away better than the ATL lineup

Easy exercise. Put Horford and Millsap on the Cs last year and and Amir Sully Jerebko Olynyk at the 4/5 spot for ATL and run back last years playoff series.

Cs sweep.
 

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I agree it's better. I just think it can be a decent conversation about how much better and whether or not it's enough to say, take Cleveland to 6 or 7 games.
Think of it this way. The Cs, as currently constructed, just gave Cleveland a really tough game on their home floor. Add Millsap without depleting their depth and their defensive anchors and you have a team that can push the Cavs and even Golden State.