Snodgrass'Muff said:
Well, he did graduate as his high school's salutatorian with a 4.2 GPA.
CBS Sports has a nice timeline up about him from back around the end of October.
The more I learn about him, the more I like him.
WayBackVazquez said:
Probably. But so does the broad jump. I was just curious why the page listed all of his combine scores except for the test. Especially since he's such a genius. He graduated from Stanford University, you know.
WayBackVazquez said:
Probably. But so does the broad jump. I was just curious why the page listed all of his combine scores except for the test. Especially since he's such a genius. He graduated from Stanford University, you know.
CaptainLaddie said:
Well, for one: Wonderlic scores aren't public. Or, they're not supposed to be. There's no way to verify Sherman's score. The broad jump was public though!
Pretty easy answer, I think. Just admit you have an axe to grind.
WayBackVazquez said:
He probably told people. It's not that bad.
Ah, because he's a loudmouth, right?WayBackVazquez said:
He probably told people. It's not that bad.
CaptainLaddie said:Ah, because he's a loudmouth, right?
WayBackVazquez said:
Wait, he's NOT a loudmouth? You see, that is pretty much undisputed. So it's you who has no credibility in this conversation.
WayBackVazquez said:
Wait, he's NOT a loudmouth? You see, that is pretty much undisputed. So it's you who has no credibility in this conversation.
Dogman2 said:
Do you need this ball placed on the T for you? That's your second swing and a miss.
WayBackVazquez said:
Please do tee it up for me, Dogman. I didn't graduate from Stanford.
mabrowndog said:* At no time did she feel intimidated, threatened or accosted by Sherman. He yelled at the camera, not at her (watching the replay, she's perfectly calm and collected).
Dogman2 said:
Me neither. We could ask OFT but I have a feeling that won't result in a honked hooter for you either.
What a fucking idiot. Sherman is the first Stanford player I've ever actively rooted against in the nfl.
WayBackVazquez said:
I think he's a great football player. I respect what he's accomplished coming from his neighborhood, and respect the fact that he graduated from Stanford. But so do 90% of the members of the football team. His high school is one of the worst in the State of California, and the country. He got a 990 on his SAT. I think it's possible for him to be a great football player and a bright guy without having to buy into the "he's a genius" narrative.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
Graduating second in your class, no matter how poorly your school rates on a state or national level, is hard and takes an impressive level of intelligence and hard work. Discounting his entire school is harsh. Very harsh. And dangerously close to classist.
And the scout.com page with his SAT score also lists a 1060 on a retake. Why not include that in your mention of it? Never mind that the SAT's may have a greater correlation with family income than intelligence. Citing his SAT score as part of a discussion about his intelligence isn't really adding any information, as they and IQ tests have some serious flaws. I don't think there's any real evidence that he's not a very bright young man and very much in control of the narrative about him that's floating around right now.
WayBackVazquez said:
Well, I think I already said he seems like a bright guy. If you're going to use the fact that he graduated 2nd in his class as though it would translate to as much at another school that didn't consistently rank among the poorest performing in the state, then you may as well treat SAT scores as "fair" as well. Or we could just drop trying to use his degree or high school gpa as an indicator of his intelligence, and judge him by his words and behavior.
And okay, he got a 1060 on his SAT retake. The average for the Stanford football team is 1176.
trekfan55 said:Kaepernick needs to improve a lot, but he did also needs to have a full season with a good set of receivers. And with all of that, he could have won the game if he throws the ball away/throws to another receiver on that 1st down and gets at least two more shots at the endzone with Davis-Crabtree-Boldin at his disposal.
Now it's wait for mext year again, but the NFC West has turned into one of the toughest divisions in the NFL so.....
Sort of covered it in subsequent posts, but yeah it a hastily written rant, and if I was being more clear, I would have added the qualifier that I was referring more to sportsmanship at the end of a game. Even in that case, off the top of my head I can think of Dale Hunter (for the Pierre Turgeon incident) that has Sherman beat easily. I expected some blowback from the comment, but left it as is.DrewDawg said:I just saw this. There's no way you think that right? Unless of course you started watching sports exactly when the game ended yesterday.
Sherman's talking is more classless than the hundreds of examples we could find with 5 minutes of google searching of cheap shots in all major sports?
Snodgrass'Muff said:
Okay, so you don't disagree with the thread... but you disagree with the thread anyway?
I don't recall anyone in this thread calling him a genius. People have just pointed out that he's a smart guy and that there's a pretty good chance that his "villain" persona is at least partly a calculated move. If you don't disagree with that, then what are you arguing against?
I don’t want to be a villain, because I’m not a villainous person. When I say I’m the best cornerback in football, it’s with a caveat: There isn’t a great defensive backfield in the NFL that doesn’t have a great front seven. Everything begins with pressure up front, and that’s what we get from our pass rushers every Sunday. To those who would call me a thug or worse because I show passion on a football field — don’t judge a person’s character by what they do between the lines. Judge a man by what he does off the field, what he does for his community, what he does for his family.
It was pretty obvious he knew exactly what he was doing when he went after Brady at the end of that game last year.maufman said:He's also a graduate of the Deion Sanders School of Self-Promotion. As part of his efforts to court superstar attention at a position that often goes unnoticed by casual fans, he has embraced the role of a villain.
redsahx said:Sort of covered it in subsequent posts, but yeah it a hastily written rant, and if I was being more clear, I would have added the qualifier that I was referring more to sportsmanship at the end of a game. Even in that case, off the top of my head I can think of Dale Hunter (for the Pierre Turgeon incident) that has Sherman beat easily. I expected some blowback from the comment, but left it as is.
I will say that if I could chat with a current NFL player, Sherman might be the pick. I mostly get a kick out of his antics, and I was happy to see San Fran lose. Immediately trying to rub as much salt in the wound as you can to an opposing player after a devastating loss though just doesn't do it for me. He has all summer for bragging rights over Crabtree, never mind the post game press conferences. He didn't need to be an ass right there.
I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, “Good game, good game.” That’s when he shoved my face, and that’s when I went off.
I still can't figure out who you are disagreeing with. Or what...WayBackVazquez said:
Well, is it my fault I take him at his word?
I think it's fair to judge him for what he does between the lines (mostly great, sometimes dirty), as well as what he does off the field, and I think off the field includes the interviews with Andrews and Skip Bayless. I didn't think the interview with Erin was a big deal, but I thought the Bayless interview was embarassing.
redsahx said:It was pretty obvious he knew exactly what he was doing when he went after Brady at the end of that game last year.
Snodgrass'Muff said:Does it change your opinion if what he claims is true?
I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, “Good game, good game.” That’s when he shoved my face, and that’s when I went off.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
You realize that Brady taunted him earlier and told him to come find him at the end of the game after what he (Brady) assumed as going to be a Patriots win, right? Brady is no stranger to shit talking.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
Does it change your opinion if what he claims is true?
I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, “Good game, good game.” That’s when he shoved my face, and that’s when I went off.
I still can't figure out who you are disagreeing with. Or what...
I just fucking said I don't think the interview with Erin was a big deal, no matter what he said to Crabtree or Crabtree said to him. You can't figure out who I'm disagreeing with because I haven't disagreed with anyone. You're just looking for trouble.
wibi said:
Nope ... didnt happen. Brady is a saint and should always be the one given the benefit of the doubt
Snodgrass'Muff said:Does it change your opinion if what he claims is true?
I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, “Good game, good game.” That’s when he shoved my face, and that’s when I went off.
That wasn't good sportsmanship by any means. It was obviously done in jest.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
No outcome would really surprise me with the 49ers next year. They have a bunch of 2013 draftees who didn't see much or any of the field this year that could make an impact (Lattimore, Carradine, Patton most notably) as well as a ton of 2014 draft picks. If they hit on some of those players, that's a huge boost to an already elite team. They also have a bunch of key players that will be entering or already in their 30s like J. Smith, Davis, Staley, Boldin, Gore, Brooks, McDonald so its hard to predict what level those guys will be playing at. If things don't work out well, though, they may be in a little bit of trouble going forward, as they are tight against the cap already and will have a star studded list of 2015 FAs, including Kaepernick, Aldon Smith, Crabtree, and Iupati. If I had to guess, my prediction would be that they'll be a top 3-4 team again next year but that they drop back somewhat in 2015 when their core is that much older and the salary cap crunch really starts to hit (having to pay Kaep somewhere in the $12M+ AAV range instead of chump change will really hurt in that respect).
WayBackVazquez said:
I just fucking said I don't think the interview with Erin was a big deal, no matter what he said to Crabtree or Crabtree said to him. You can't figure out who I'm disagreeing with because I haven't disagreed with anyone. You're just looking for trouble.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
If you don't disagree with anything that's being said then why do you keep arguing with people?
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
That wasn't good sportsmanship by any means. It was obviously done in jest.
WayBackVazquez said:
You're the one who's arguing, dipshit.
Snodgrass'Muff said:You realize that Brady taunted him earlier and told him to come find him at the end of the game after what he (Brady) assumed as going to be a Patriots win, right? Brady is no stranger to shit talking.
You two obviously misinterpreted my comment. I wasn't even ripping Sherman there. My point was that if you want to get noticed and enhance your "heel" status, then obviously going after a visible target like Brady then tweeting your encounter after the game will get you some attention, especially from a hyper-sensitive fan base like New England. That was really when a lot of people first started taking notice of Sherman.Dogman2 said:Oh, don't play that game. Brady talks shit too and we all know it. redsahx isn't doing himself any favors today.
Where exactly did I infer Brady was a saint who doesn't talk shit? Obviously Dogman2 was hinting to you that you were sort of bailing me out here with this straw man.wibi said:Nope ... didnt happen. Brady is a saint and should always be the one given the benefit of the doubt
After the game. 2 seconds after a receiver gets beaten for a season ending INT in the conference championship is probably in poor taste. I honestly can't remember players going over to other players in a non-victory formation situation.Snodgrass'Muff said:
Based on what? Players go over to players on the other team and say good game all the time. Yeah, these guys have a history, so there's certainly a chance that it was done sarcastically. It's probably even a good chance. But you can't just dismiss the possibility out of hand.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
No outcome would really surprise me with the 49ers next year. They have a bunch of 2013 draftees who didn't see much or any of the field this year that could make an impact (Lattimore, Carradine, Patton most notably) as well as a ton of 2014 draft picks. If they hit on some of those players, that's a huge boost to an already elite team. They also have a bunch of key players that will be entering or already in their 30s like J. Smith, Davis, Staley, Boldin, Gore, Brooks, McDonald so its hard to predict what level those guys will be playing at. If things don't work out well, though, they may be in a little bit of trouble going forward, as they are tight against the cap already and will have a star studded list of 2015 FAs, including Kaepernick, Aldon Smith, Crabtree, and Iupati. If I had to guess, my prediction would be that they'll be a top 3-4 team again next year but that they drop back somewhat in 2015 when their core is that much older and the salary cap crunch really starts to hit (having to pay Kaep somewhere in the $12M+ AAV range instead of chump change will really hurt in that respect).
trekfan55 said:
I agree with this. It will all depend on their cap situation and how they can structure their deals.
But Kaepernick needs to show that he's a great QB in order to be paid like one. Right now the guy can throw, the guy can run, but there is something missing. It's been discussed here how he does not read the receivers well enough and go through the progression, and teams are figuring that by pushing him towards his weak side they expose him. This actually happened a couple of times in the game.
"Whininess" aside, I think Jim Harbaugh will get the most out of these players. Let's remember he had essentially the same team in 2011 that Singletary had in 2010 and led that team through to the NFC Championship game.
WayBackVazquez said:
You're the one who's arguing, dipshit.
Especially since he's such a genius. He graduated from Stanford University, you know.
I think it's possible for him to be a great football player and a bright guy without having to buy into the "he's a genius" narrative.
Maybe, but I tend to lean towards it being a sarcastic gesture. If the two of them truly hate each other, then I have a hard time believing it was a sincere gesture, and Crabtree's response is understandable. I'm sort of thinking Sherman is trying to cover himself a bit here because he realizes in hindsight how that came across. That's just a guess on my part, because I wasn't there.Snodgrass'Muff said:Does it change your opinion if what he claims is true?
I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, Good game, good game. Thats when he shoved my face, and thats when I went off.[/size]
Snodgrass'Muff said:
Based on what? Players go over to players on the other team and say good game all the time. Yeah, these guys have a history, so there's certainly a chance that it was done sarcastically. It's probably even a good chance. But you can't just dismiss the possibility out of hand.
kenneycb said:After the game. 2 seconds after a receiver gets beaten for a season ending INT in the conference championship is probably in poor taste. I honestly can't remember players going over to other players in a non-victory formation situation.
Dogman2 said:
Oh, don't play that game. Brady talks shit too and we all know it. redsahx isn't doing himself any favors today.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
How can you not see that as taunting? It was immediately after catching a season ending pick in the Conference Championship game. It wasn't like he was helping him up and saying good game, he ran him down to try and get a handshake out of him. No player in the league would see that as a friendly gesture.
Did you actually read my post? Because that video indicates that you did not.Snodgrass'Muff said:
Happens all the time. Especially with players who have big rivalries. It's mostly in football and basketball, but it's pretty common.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kyEZiNszQo