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Theilen still has a little gas in the tank but he's not great anymore. As a slot receiver, he'd probably be fine, depending on price. Dependable hands, that's for sure.
 

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Campbell is the pick of the litter, IMO. Recent second round pick. After a rough first few years due to injury (and probably lousy QB play), he's coming off a good season (with still lousy QB play).
 

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Campbell is the pick of the litter, IMO. Recent second round pick. After a rough first few years due to injury (and probably lousy QB play), he's coming off a good season (with still lousy QB play).
He scares me, his first healthy year is his contract year and it came with a 6.4 ADOT which is what you expect from a 3rd down back not a WR. QB play didn't help but it is quite possible injuries sapped his athleticism unfortunately. I was a big Campbell guy coming out of OSU but that player doesn't exist anymore.
 

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He scares me, his first healthy year is his contract year and it came with a 6.4 ADOT which is what you expect from a 3rd down back not a WR. QB play didn't help but it is quite possible injuries sapped his athleticism unfortunately. I was a big Campbell guy coming out of OSU but that player doesn't exist anymore.
Agreed, he's no sure thing. I just think he's the best of a bad lot, especially if you factor in expected contracts for some of these guys.
 

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JuJu's upside to me is Jakobi Meyers in this offense, no clue why they'd be in on him after not being willing to bring Meyers back for peanuts.
because while 3/33 w/ 21 guaranteed may seem like peanuts, if you can get a similar guy for significantly less.... he signed a year deal with less than $4M guaranteed last year, if you get him for say... 2 years up to $20M with only $8M of it guaranteed?

Not saying I'd sign him, but he's not much if any worse than Jakobi, so if he's significantly cheaper....
 

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JuJu seems like he should be much older than Jakobi, doesn't he? But he's 13 days younger. If the price is right I'd have no issue with JuJu.
 

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because while 3/33 w/ 21 guaranteed may seem like peanuts, if you can get a similar guy for significantly less.... he signed a year deal with less than $4M guaranteed last year, if you get him for say... 2 years up to $20M with only $8M of it guaranteed?
Yeah, he signed a one year deal for 4 million after coming off a season in which he had 129 yards receiving and was injured. Now he's had the second best year of his career and was the number one receiver on a Super Bowl winning team. He's not signing for 8 million guaranteed and even if he does Meyers only has 11 truly guaranteed in his deal, in which case I'd still rather have him.
 

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Is Odell really considered a top WR at this point? He is 30 years old, missed all of last season and hasn't even had a 1,000 yard season since 2019.

He's done a good job of keeping his name in the news cycle but....he really hasn't been good for a long time.
 

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Trade for Hopkins and I'm cool with JuJu coming in. Being a 2nd WR is a perfect role for him.

I don't want him as our #1, though. And I assume his price will fall in the low end #1/high end #2. So, bring me Hopkins and then get Juju. Otherwise, not interested in Juju.
 

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I know Namath said he’d let Rodgers wear 12, but that’s a pretty crappy thing to do. If it’s retired it should stay retired. I didn’t like it when Rice wore Largents 80. Pick a different number.
 

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Trade for Hopkins and I'm cool with JuJu coming in. Being a 2nd WR is a perfect role for him.

I don't want him as our #1, though. And I assume his price will fall in the low end #1/high end #2. So, bring me Hopkins and then get Juju. Otherwise, not interested in Juju.
Hopkins is no longer a #1 and trending poorly. Between the contract he will require and draft capital I'd rather see those assets used elsewhere. Hopkins YAC was a career low 2.6 last year and the passer rating when targeted was 86.5 previous low was 105. He is quickly becoming another CAF (Catch and Fall) guy that NE doesn't need. Sure he will get 1K receiving yards if you give him 160 targets but his cliff is fast approaching. Plus didn't he have a falling out with BOB in HOU? I can't see that working out long-term here.
 

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Hopkins is no longer a #1 and trending poorly. Between the contract he will require and draft capital I'd rather see those assets used elsewhere. Hopkins YAC was a career low 2.6 last year
Guess it depends where you look.

According to PFF, his YAC was 2.8. It wasn't his lowest career YAC. That would be the 1.9 he had in 2015 when he had, arguably, the best season of his career.

His career average is 3.5, so you're talking about an extra 40 yards of RAC. So, like, 2 or 3 extra broken tackles. Considering he was suspended for the first six games, the sample size is super small and really not all that relevant. Not to mention 2 of the last 3 seasons saw the Cardinals running his shortest yards per route in his career. Considering he doesn't run a ton of option routes - I assume, anyway, based on Murray's skillset - that means its schemed by the team and called during the game, not because he can't run them. Calling curls ain't going to get him the YAC.

and the passer rating when targeted was 86.5 previous low was 105.
He had four total games with Kyler Murray last season. The passer rating when targeted by Murray for those games:
  • 92.3
  • 143.3
  • 136.3
  • 118.8
In the six games with Colt McCoy and some guys named Trace McSorley and David Blough throwing to him:
  • 90.8
  • 97.1
  • 96.2
  • 47.2
  • 54.9
  • 0.0
His career average is 97.9. He blew his average out of the fucking water when he didn't have 3rd stringers and journeymen throwing him the ball. Why do we really think his season numbers were low?

He is quickly becoming another CAF (Catch and Fall) guy that NE doesn't need. Sure he will get 1K receiving yards if you give him 160 targets but his cliff is fast approaching. Plus didn't he have a falling out with BOB in HOU? I can't see that working out long-term here.
Neither of your metrics actually show that, and nothing about what I saw from him the few times I got to watch him said it either. He's 30 years old and isn't going to be 1500+ yard DeAndre Hopkins, but the guy is still a talented, legit #1 WR and should be for another few years.
 
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I know Namath said he’d let Rodgers wear 12, but that’s a pretty crappy thing to do. If it’s retired it should stay retired. I didn’t like it when Rice wore Largents 80. Pick a different number.
I didn't have a problem with Rice wearing 80 in Seattle, since he's the GOAT. My problem is retiring numbers period. I can understand for someone like Jackie Robinson, who had such an impact on the game, but for the most part why limit the numbers guys can choose? Isn't that why teams have a Ring of Honor? In football particularly, it gets tough. The Steelers have officially retired 2 number (#70 - Ernie Stautner, #75 - "Mean" Joe Greene), but they've unofficially retired another 11. That leaves 87 other numbers for 53 players on the main roster and what happens when you need new guys after someone goes on IR. Eventually they'll start giving guys jersey numbers with decimals. It's ridiculous. Just put their name on the wall/ring/whatever and let others use the numbers. It's not like anyone is going to forget who they were.
 

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I didn't have a problem with Rice wearing 80 in Seattle, since he's the GOAT. My problem is retiring numbers period. I can understand for someone like Jackie Robinson, who had such an impact on the game, but for the most part why limit the numbers guys can choose? Isn't that why teams have a Ring of Honor? In football particularly, it gets tough. The Steelers have officially retired 2 number (#70 - Ernie Stautner, #75 - "Mean" Joe Greene), but they've unofficially retired another 11. That leaves 87 other numbers for 53 players on the main roster and what happens when you need new guys after someone goes on IR. Eventually they'll start giving guys jersey numbers with decimals. It's ridiculous. Just put their name on the wall/ring/whatever and let others use the numbers. It's not like anyone is going to forget who they were.
I gets even more complicated when numbers are limited to each position.
 

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Guess it depends where you look.

According to PFF, his YAC was 2.8. It wasn't his lowest career YAC. That would be the 1.9 he had in 2015 when he had, arguably, the best season of his career.

His career average is 3.5, so you're talking about an extra 40 yards of RAC. So, like, 2 or 3 extra broken tackles. Considering he was suspended for the first six games, the sample size is super small and really not all that relevant. Not to mention 2 of the last 3 seasons saw the Cardinals running his shortest yards per route in his career. Considering he doesn't run a ton of option routes - I assume, anyway, based on Murray's skillset - that means its schemed by the team and called during the game, not because he can't run them. Calling curls ain't going to get him the YAC.



He had four total games with Kyler Murray last season. The passer rating when targeted by Murray for those games:
  • 92.3
  • 143.3
  • 136.3
  • 118.8
In the six games with Colt McCoy and some guys named Trace McSorley and David Blough throwing to him:
  • 90.8
  • 97.1
  • 96.2
  • 47.2
  • 54.9
  • 0.0
His career average is 97.9. He blew his average out of the fucking water when he didn't have 3rd stringers and journeymen throwing him the ball. Why do we really think his season numbers were low?



Neither of your metrics actually show that, and nothing about what I saw from him the few times I got to watch him said it either. He's 30 years old and isn't going to be 1500+ yard DeAndre Hopkins, but the guy is still a talented, legit #1 WR and should be for another few years.
DHop for a day 3 pick sure but trading top 50 picks for 30yr old WRs is not a recipe for success especially on a team with this many holes who could sign a 26YO JuJu for likely a smaller contract or perhaps wait out OBJ and get him at a similar price. Jeudy I'd be willing to give up a 2nd for because he has a much longer window and this team needs youth badly. Outside of Thornton they have no one under 25YO of note at the skill positions and Thornton is at best a coin flip to become a productive field stretcher.
 

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Smith-Schuster will reportedly get $33 million over three years, in the same $11 million per year range that free agent receivers Jakobi Meyers and Alan Lazard agreed to this week.
 

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Trade for Hopkins and I'm cool with JuJu coming in. Being a 2nd WR is a perfect role for him.

I don't want him as our #1, though. And I assume his price will fall in the low end #1/high end #2. So, bring me Hopkins and then get Juju. Otherwise, not interested in Juju.
JK. Love JuJu. He's the best.
 

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Guess it depends where you look.

According to PFF, his YAC was 2.8. It wasn't his lowest career YAC. That would be the 1.9 he had in 2015 when he had, arguably, the best season of his career.

His career average is 3.5, so you're talking about an extra 40 yards of RAC. So, like, 2 or 3 extra broken tackles. Considering he was suspended for the first six games, the sample size is super small and really not all that relevant. Not to mention 2 of the last 3 seasons saw the Cardinals running his shortest yards per route in his career. Considering he doesn't run a ton of option routes - I assume, anyway, based on Murray's skillset - that means its schemed by the team and called during the game, not because he can't run them. Calling curls ain't going to get him the YAC.



He had four total games with Kyler Murray last season. The passer rating when targeted by Murray for those games:
  • 92.3
  • 143.3
  • 136.3
  • 118.8
In the six games with Colt McCoy and some guys named Trace McSorley and David Blough throwing to him:
  • 90.8
  • 97.1
  • 96.2
  • 47.2
  • 54.9
  • 0.0
His career average is 97.9. He blew his average out of the fucking water when he didn't have 3rd stringers and journeymen throwing him the ball. Why do we really think his season numbers were low?



Neither of your metrics actually show that, and nothing about what I saw from him the few times I got to watch him said it either. He's 30 years old and isn't going to be 1500+ yard DeAndre Hopkins, but the guy is still a talented, legit #1 WR and should be for another few years.
I think part of the problem with figuring out where Dhop is now is that he's not braking tackles anymore. He was such a fucking unicorn when it came to breaking tackles. He broke 9 of them in 2019 and 15 of them in 2020. Since then, over 19 games, he's broken 1 tackle.

To give an idea of what an outlier this is. Justin Jefferson has broken 20 tackles in his first 3 seasons. AJ Brown who is a monster, broke 7 tackles last year (he broke 8 and 13 in his first 2 years in TN). Deebo broke 13 last year and 12 this year, but he had 101 carries as a running back to add to those numbers. Travis Kelce broke 13 tackles this year, his best ever. Tyreek's 2 best seasons were 10 and 8. Stefon Diggs has only broken 5 once (7). Davante Adams had 9 this year, his next best was 5. Metcalf had 2 seasons with 8 (1 this past season).

Jamarr Chase is the closest guy to Hopkins when it comes to breaking tackles (8 as a rookie and 10 this year in only 12 games).

When these guys break tackles, they make house calls. I would take Hopkins on the Pats tomorrow for a 2nd rounder personally, but this is the only stat I'm finding concerning.
 

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Parham pros:
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Parham cons:
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Pretty good run-blocker, not sure about the rest. One of those guys with good tools, low production
Does he grade out well in run blocking? I know he didn't test well strength-wise pre draft. My scouting report was probably a bit flippant.