NFL informs officials of new procedures for game balls
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Some random half time inspections to be done of the balls. I bet I can name the team that will have 16 random halftime inspections next season.
So basically they're ensuring that teams will be playing with balls below 12.5 in cold weather games. What a bunch of morons.
Everyone knows about the Ideal Gas Law now. When the readings initially come in under 12.5, they'll quickly recognize why. Not caring about exonerating the Patriots, and only wanting to avoid a shit show, they'll wait until the balls have reached room temperature before taking the official readings.ivanvamp said:
No one outside of that room will know.
Exponent showed that the calibration of the gauges doesn't really matter. /sMuppetAsteriskTalk said:
Depending on the outside temperature, there is not enough time at halftime for them to come to equilibrium.djbayko said:
There should be enough time, but I think you're right in that there won't be enough time for the balls to equilibrate and the refs to take all the measurements and record. It will be interesting to see what happens.Super Nomario said:
And even if there is, they will still have teams actually playing with balls under 12.5. If they have to be 12.5 on the field you either have to inflate them outside in the same conditions, or inflate them to a sufficiently high pressure inside that the natural loss of pressure will not bring them below 12.5.Super Nomario said:
Am I getting this right?
To clarify, I assume that in addition to preventing tampering, they actually care about the balls always being at least 12.5 on the field.
They don't actually care about any of it. It's a dog and pony show for PR, in case you've spent the last six months in a paper bag.
MarcSullivaFan said:
Since they are still allowing 12.5 PSI pregame then of course they don't care.
I hope and pray that in some game in a cold city some team other than the Patriots gets their footballs measured way below 12.5, and that that information is leaked. This has to happen.
I think something like this will be what exonerates Brady and the Pats.
And let's say this does happen, and happens a few times. With the measurements being basically what New England's were. How could Goodell keep the penalties intact? Really? When the whole world would know that what happened to the Patriots' footballs were EXACTLY what happens to every team in similar circumstances?
I think something like this will be what exonerates Brady and the Pats.
And let's say this does happen, and happens a few times. With the measurements being basically what New England's were. How could Goodell keep the penalties intact? Really? When the whole world would know that what happened to the Patriots' footballs were EXACTLY what happens to every team in similar circumstances?
The important take-away is that prior to this new policy-there was a policy that they did not give a shit about and did not folllow.
This could only be a PR move designed to extricate the front office from the shit show they created.
or measure a 13.5 ball after it cooks in the heat of Miami in September.ivanvamp said:
Whether the NFL releases psi measurements or not, every middle school science class in America will have the same week-end homework assignment.
If the NFL wants to deny "global warming" people will figure it out, and why.
djbayko said:
Probably nothing as by the time cold weather rolls around they will have given up actually doing this.
The whole world should already know this. Some choose not to believe or ignore it because it conveniently allows them to call the Patriots cheaters.ivanvamp said:
I doubt this is the silver bullet you're looking for.
I agree that everyone should know this by now. But it's kind of like the Rice video (much different situation obviously!) - we can talk about the science but when fans see the results in real life next year, it's going to hit them differently, especially if it happens to THEIR team.
I mean, not that we care about the Jets or their fans, but imagine a Jets fan giving you all kinds of crap for this. Then next year, in a game in 18 degree temps, their footballs are measured at halftime to be at, oh, about 10.6 psi. Don't you think they may think differently about this at that point?
I mean, not that we care about the Jets or their fans, but imagine a Jets fan giving you all kinds of crap for this. Then next year, in a game in 18 degree temps, their footballs are measured at halftime to be at, oh, about 10.6 psi. Don't you think they may think differently about this at that point?
That was my first thought: can't Brady's legal team argue that this new policy shows that prior to today, the league had no measures in place either to safeguard the balls or to quantify the pressures thereby rending any allegation of wrongdoing moot?bankshot1 said:
My second thought was whether the referee's report is public knowledge? In other words, will these results and measurements be listed in each game's box scores alongside weather conditions and attendance?
As always I was horribly unclear. I mean that, after months of dithering and wind-checking, the NFL front office has seen that they have no safe way out of this mess. I see this as a continuation of a series of steps - the first being Goodell's statement about "no timeline for a decision" - that will delay the process long enough for them to develop suitable language that allows for a face saving exoneration. It may be wish-casting but I view this as a positive.DrewDawg said:
The new procedures call for the backup balls to be used in the second half in games where they're conducting "random inspections". This way they can delay the measurement as long as needed for the balls to return to equilibrium...Super Nomario said:
The procedures specify that the same members of the referee's crew that measured the balls pre-game will measure them at halftime. They're not going to be available during play.nighthob said:
I had this thought as well, but the new rules do call for the balls to be measured "during halftime". After this whole mess of not following the scant procedures they had in place, do you really think they're going to immediately start bending the rules?ivanvamp said:
Well plus the guys measuring are members of the officiating crew so they at least have to do it before haltime is over. And halftime is pretty short for regular season games so if they are going to
be measuring 24 balls I am guessing they are going to have to start relatively early.
be measuring 24 balls I am guessing they are going to have to start relatively early.
What's the point of measuring at halftime if you're just going to use a new set of balls? Especially if no one states the halftime conditions they're to be tested under. I assume no ref is going to give a shit about testing something that's just going to go back into a bag, and this will become half-assed in short order.
I'm guessing so that they don't even need to change procedure of they find balls that are under/over.JGray38 said:
This has to be reviewed and negotiated with the refs before making it official, right? With all of the previous responsibilities the refs and the KBC had pre-game and at halftime (including maybe getting some fucking rest to stay sharp), this has suddenly become the most important one for these 3 people.
Also, I assume the reason for 24 balls (including 12 backup) was for unforeseen problems, such as balls in stands, ball defects, etc. Now the backup balls are dedicated to this. What happened to the unforeseen problems?
I wonder if "randomly selected games" actually means "which ever games are being played in domes this week away from elements like rain, cold, heat and snow or San Diego"
The Pats should take a control ball out to the sidelines with them every half and measure the PSI immediately upon entering the locker room at the half and at the end of the game. Then record the readings every week on the Context website or with the local press.
Your point it is well taken, but they are going to number the balls individually and actually record pre-game PSI. But, yeah, that's the only real change they're making and as others have stated, depending on how long it takes them to measure at halftime, they could actually screw the PSI up for when play begins in the 3rd quarter.RedOctober3829 said:
There absolutely be a "non-NFL controlled" control ball, with game-cycle psi-readings of an NFL legal ball from pre-game to half-time to post-game.MuppetAsteriskTalk said:
Yes. When the financial benefit of investigation far exceeds the $5m cost. Next summer, Goodell will find something else to drive attention and revenue. That's what he does.....that's what he told us all he would be doing with his $25B revenue goal by 2027.ivanvamp said:
For legalites.....couldn't these changes made by the NFL be used against them in an federal appeal?
For a sport driven by gambling and fantasy leagues, two endeavours that thrive based on predictability, going full WWE seems shortsighted. It will actually end up reducing revenues. Las Vegas, at the least, won't be happy.HomeRunBaker said:
They're trying to justify the absurd length of the suspension (which, by the way, is evidence that the league isn't run by geniuses as you keep contending) by ginning up the importance of an issue that had never drawn anything but a warning in the past.HomeRunBaker said:
I don't see how this does anything but INCREASE ratings. That Thursday Night opener will likely be the highest rated regular season game of All-Time. I was at Gillette yesterday for Lombardi Trophy photos with the family and every other person had a brand spanking new Brady jersey on.nighthob said:
bankshot1 said:
This scenario wasn't discussed a whole lot. Do you think the NFL realizes ball pressure can also increase? They didn't seem to be 100% sold on the cold temperature / reduced pressure phenomenon, I imagine heads will explode if the opposite happens.