NFL to reopen the investigation on Josh Brown

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“We have valued the amount of air in a ball but yet devalued when a person or persons may have been harmed and fail to put forth necessary actions of energy and time in which far less important things have taken precedent!” Steve Smith said on social media last night. “There have been players with far less [offenses,] some have been banned, cut on the spot. But this person had behavior patterns behind closed doors unknown to everyone while swift and harsh action handed down to many players without half the details or amount of time.

“Our system is broken the NFL needs to stop acting like they care and start showing people they mean what they say. I will continue to speak for the voiceless and for my mother who is a survivor of domestic violence.”
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They always use the words they want to protect the integrity of the game,” Matthews said, via Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ.com. “I think it is always looked at as the integrity of the football game. Obviously, if somebody makes a mistake like Lane did, or even if somebody does it intentionally if they might try to do something to get an edge, then yes, that can affect a game. So obviously there are some disciplines that should take place.

“But then when we talk about the integrity of the game, and the shield [the NFL logo] . . . you talk about the values that you want to instill in families that actually watch us and look up to us. Then it sends the wrong message that every single time there is an incident with domestic violence or something where there is a physical altercation, especially with a lady . . . it never seems like there is a really big punishment handed down.

“Even with the Ray Rice incident, nothing was really serious until there was public outrage or until the video came out. But my thing is, why do people have to see something for there to be actual steps taken?”
Jordan Matthews
 

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Someone should ask Colin Kaepernick to comment about the inconsistency with which the NFL treats its black and white players when it comes to discipline.
 

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Joe Lockhart must be dying a little bit inside. Not only has the NFL learned nothing from the Ray Rice matter – they actually repeated all the same mistakes:

1. Slipshod initial "investigation" into the charges.

2. Issue meager penalty for heinous act.

3. Complain that law enforcement didn't help them when the inevitable evidence comes out.

4. "Re-open" investigation when PR disaster ensues.

The good news is that there is a readymade outrage machine ready to destroy the NFL on this issue – this is not going away. And, it is all happening during the NFL's "Pink Everything" month, to ensure maximum hypocrisy.
 

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“There is no place for domestic violence in our sport or our society, and we are committed to doing our part to prevent such heinous acts going forward.”

— Giants owner John Mara, Sept. 10, 2014
 
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“There is no place for domestic violence in our sport or our society, and we are committed to doing our part to prevent such heinous acts going forward.”

— Giants owner John Mara, Sept. 10, 2014
Hey, cut him some slack. He only got ONE word wrong there. He should've said "encourage" instead of "prevent." #SOSHSticklers
 

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The really amazing thing is he said yesterday that they knew about the abuse but not the extent. After that quote in 2014.

Unbelievable.
 

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Joe Lockhart must be dying a little bit inside. Not only has the NFL learned nothing from the Ray Rice matter – they actually repeated all the same mistakes:

1. Slipshod initial "investigation" into the charges.

2. Issue meager penalty for heinous act ignoring mandatory minimum that we enacted because of how badly we screwed up the Ray Rice fiasco.

3. Complain that law enforcement didn't help them when the inevitable evidence comes out.

4. "Re-open" investigation when PR disaster ensues.

The good news is that there is a readymade outrage machine ready to destroy the NFL on this issue – this is not going away. And, it is all happening during the NFL's "Pink Everything" month, to ensure maximum hypocrisy.
It's actually worse. I altered step 2 to show why.
 

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The really amazing thing is he said yesterday that they knew about the abuse but not the extent. After that quote in 2014.

Unbelievable.
The NFL was just doing Mara a solid by not taking the Josh Brown thing too seriously. Can't upset one of the shadow brokers of the league after all. I am convinced that they did the same in the Ray Rice incident before the video came out; they gave him 2 games just to give the owner a little bit of a break.

The NFL league office sucks. It's concerned only with trading favors for favored guys, like swapping snacks at the 3rd grade lunch table. Fuck the whole lot of them.
 

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It's actually worse. I altered step 2 to show why.
This is a big point that I bet will be swept under the rug by everyone. They didn't just repeat the same mistakes from the Ray Rice fiasco. For Josh Brown, the white guy kicker from the NY Giants, the NFL specifically by-passed the domestic violence initiative that the NFL instituted as a direct result of the Ray Rice fiasco.
 

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I firmly believe Goodell and others think that "abuse" generally refers to a vague concept of being a bad husband. He didn't understand what Ray Rice meant when he said to his face "I hit her" until he saw the video and realized "oh he, like, really hit her...weird." Same kind of stuff is at play here with the "didn't know the extent" bullshit from Mara.
 
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Coach McAdoo: We're not worried about the outside noise. We're here to win a football game. #NYGinUK
10/21/16, 5:58 AM

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Giants HC Ben McAdoo: ‘We’re not going to turn our back’ on Josh Brown: es.pn/2eqbMSu fb.me/32D10Qe7X
10/21/16, 9:01 AM

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17849018/coach-ben-mcadoo-says-new-york-giants-not-going-turn-our-back-josh-brown

"outside noise"

FFS
What about Molly Brown? Turned your back on her pretty quick...

The guy who was cut to sign Gould probably has a case to sue the shit out of the league.
 

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There's a reason why BB is very deliberate and repeats the same lines over and over again. Ben McAdoo about to find that out the hard way.
 

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It's actually worse. I altered step 2 to show why.
This is a big point that I bet will be swept under the rug by everyone. They didn't just repeat the same mistakes from the Ray Rice fiasco. For Josh Brown, the white guy kicker from the NY Giants, the NFL specifically by-passed the domestic violence initiative that the NFL instituted as a direct result of the Ray Rice fiasco.
Well, it's worth noting that they ignored their policy before as well – the conduct detrimental policy we all know so well. They just ignored a different one this time – one specific to domestic violence.

I should also note that we are now at #5 in the NFL's DV Playbook:

Joe Lockhart must be dying a little bit inside. Not only has the NFL learned nothing from the Ray Rice matter – they actually repeated all the same mistakes:

1. Slipshod initial "investigation" into the charges.

2. Issue meager penalty for heinous act.

3. Complain that law enforcement didn't help them when the inevitable evidence comes out.

4. "Re-open" investigation when PR disaster ensues.

5. Have head coach express solidarity with player-abuser so team can carry on.

People will call for Goodell's head, understandably. But the real remedy here that advocates should be pushing for should be that this penalty should not be left to the discretion of the Commissioner – because the Commissioner simply can't be trusted to carry out punishment properly. That really says all we need to about Goodell – and you know he would hate it.
 

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No criminal charges were brought at the time but the NFL banned Brown for one game and will now review the documents.

"We have some new information here," Goodell told BBC Sport.

"We'll evaluate that in the context of our policy and we'll take it from there."

Brown has not travelled with the Giants to London for this weekend's game against the Los Angeles Rams at Twickenham.

Giants co-owner John Mara has admitted in the build-up to the game that Brown told the club about the domestic abuse.

"We'd like to speak to the people involved, whether it's the victim or the people involved that may have information, including law enforcement," added Goodell.

"But we understand that in certain cases they may not be permitted to talk to us, or want to talk to us, and we don't make judgments on people where they do that.

"What we want to do is get the facts and when we get the facts, we're going to aggressively pursue that, and we'll apply our policy."
The NFL has also been condemned for imposing one-game bans for domestic abuse when players have been fined for excessive touchdown celebrations.

"I understand the public's misunderstanding of those things and how that can be difficult for them to understand how we get to those positions," added Goodell.

"But those are things that we have to do. I think it's a lot deeper and a lot more complicated than it appears, but it gets a lot of focus."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/37733048
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/21/league-law-enforcement-are-both-to-blame-for-lack-of-information-in-josh-brown-case/

Molly told me that if it truly was someone from the NFL calling her, she would not trust them to really be having her or her children’s best interest in mind. Molly states that the NFL would only be looking to bury this whole incident and protect Josh.
And like two hours after the Giants head coach says the team will not turn their back on Josh Brown, he is placed on the Commissioners Exempt List.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/21/report-josh-brown-headed-to-commissioners-exempt-list/
 

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Chris Russo is a complete fraud. He's sitting here still defending the league in their "measures" against domestic abuse. He "finds it hard to believe that they got lazy with Josh Brown." He also doesn't want to take sides in this until he personally interviews the Kings County Sheriff because he doesn't know who asked the questions. He is a complete and total fraud when you compare his take on this to his Deflategate take.
 

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Those Goodell quotes are Trumpian in their thin skinnedness and defensiveness. This is like watching a black and white movie where the girl gets slapped around and nobody says anything except it's real life with billionaires and grown ups.
 

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"You people are too stupid to understand our methods so stop questioning me."

Someone better have to answer for this traveshamockery.
 

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The NFC least man. Hardy and the Cowboys, now brown and the Giants. Let's be honest Riley Cooper and the Eagles didn't cover themselves in glory either for the whole racist thing.
And of course the fourth team's name is a racist slur.

All of these after the fact was public. Yeesh.

But anyway f the NFL. They are utter scumbags and while I love watching football on a Sunday, Thursday (and Saturday) games are killing their product and over time the concussions are going to lower the talent. They need to be at least pretending to be upstanding citizens. Fuck them all.
 

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Josh Brown was placed on the commissioner's exempt list Friday, and sources told ESPN NFL Insider Chris Mortensen that the veteran kicker is done with the New York Giants.

So the Giants ARE turning their back on him? Now I am cornfused.
 

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Yeah, I know it burned me last time, but surely it'll be fine this time.
 

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The NFL needed to get together with the Giants, close all of their anonymous leaks, and shut up about this for three hours so that they could build a single unified media response that addressed every component of the issue. By spitting out a new sound bite every half an hour they continue to both keep this story on the front burner and to remind everyone about how despicable they are.
 

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NFLPA statement on Josh Brown: "The NFL has the ability to place a player on the exempt list and the player has the right to appeal that decision, if he chooses. The League office wanted unilateral control of this process and accordingly, their system lacks transparency."
 

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Once again, the NFL has insisted that its inability to comprehend the repeated abuse suffered by a woman—Molly Brown, in this case, the ex-wife of New York Giants kicker Josh Brown—wasn’t due to its own incompetence. After blaming the victim a few months ago, NFL leaders decided this time around to blame records custodians, saying everything was the fault of an uncooperative King County Sheriff’s Office. The sheriff himself pushed back, saying the problem was the NFL investigator was a “goofus” and a “yokel” who didn’t even identify himself as being with the NFL.


After the sheriff’s remarks, I asked the sheriff’s office for copies of all documented communication between them and the NFL, the Giants, and anyone working on behalf of the NFL. They showed as the sheriff said that the goofus (aka private investigator Rob Agnew) did not identify himself as being with the NFL. But he did get records anyway. They were released to him at the exact rate they were released to reporters.

The KCSO said it did a search of the online system it uses to respond to public record request. (It’s the same system I’ve been using with them.) They generated two logs from the customer previous identified by the sheriff: Robert Agnew. He gave them an email from comcast.net, a P.O. Box address, and no phone number. The KCSO said all communication with him was through the online system.


All communication with Agnew, they told me, was in bold. Lines that are not in bold, the sheriff’s office told me, are request management—essentially back-end steps like checking on a case or seeing if something can be released or needs redaction.
Who is Agnew? He’s a Seattle-based investigator who, according to his LinkedIn, worked for the FBI from 1987-1992 as an “investigative photographic coordinator. After that, he became a managing partner in Robert Agnew & Associates. Since May 2003, his LinkedIn says, he has worked for the NFL as an “NFL Security Representative to the Seattle Seahawks.” But a 1994Seattle Times report (about when then-Seahawk Tyron Rodgers was charged with second-degree assault for trying to stop a repo man) named a Robert Agnew as someone “who works for NFL security.”

The name of an ex-FBI private investigator named Robert Agnew also came up in the Indianapolis Star investigation of how USA Gymnastics kept allegations of abuse from being investigated by police. It’s unclear if the NFL’s Agnew is the same person referenced in the Star’s report. Deadspin reached out to Agnew for comment via email and phone, but received no response.
http://deadspin.com/here-are-all-the-times-the-nfl-got-josh-brown-records-f-1788074447?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
 

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What a great connection to the gymnastics molestation scandal. They could hire anyone in the world, but they go with inept scumbags.
 

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Sounds like they hired exactly the kind of guy they wanted: someone with low credibility (and very likely scruples) who they can distance themselves from when things go sour.
 

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Isn't a big reason you hire long-time security people because they have inside connections and know how to gain access to information even when they don't? And this guy just goes through a public channel without trying to use his past or positions with the NFL to establish any credibility or position of authority.