NFL Trades/Transactions/Injuries Thread
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Was that a signing bonus, or was his contract just structured that he got it all most in a lump sum before the season/with the first payment?
edit: rephrasing the question to ask it better
edit: rephrasing the question to ask it better
Its a sunk cost so trading him isn't expensive at all.
The Bears are going nowhere this season. If they can get a useful draft pick and free up the playing time for a younger player that might be part of their future, its a good move. If anything, the willingness to trade a player like Allen - which a lot of coaches/GMs won't do because they're worried about their short term job security - says something positive about the franchise and its perspective on the future.
The Bears are going nowhere this season. If they can get a useful draft pick and free up the playing time for a younger player that might be part of their future, its a good move. If anything, the willingness to trade a player like Allen - which a lot of coaches/GMs won't do because they're worried about their short term job security - says something positive about the franchise and its perspective on the future.
We can break out into a dual news/speculation threads later on, but here's a twitter suggestion that I liked: picking up KC CB Sean Smith. Some info:
Smith is on the last year of his 3-year contract, on a Chiefs team that's going nowhere. He's a no-strings UFA in 2016 at age 29.
Smith was suspended for the first 3 games for DUI, but the Utah graduate has not had any other legal issues in his career. He was first drafted by the Dolphins in 2009, so BB is definitely familiar with the corner's play.
At 6'3" and 220lbs, he'll give some needed size to the secondary. Not great hands and can be inconsistent, but he'd be coming fairly inexpensively in terms of picks (I'd think KC would be thrilled with a 4th, happy with a 5th). He'll only count 3m+ against the cap for the rest of the season.
We all know PFF rankings are junk, but it does give us this less subjective stat lines:
Smith is on the last year of his 3-year contract, on a Chiefs team that's going nowhere. He's a no-strings UFA in 2016 at age 29.
Smith was suspended for the first 3 games for DUI, but the Utah graduate has not had any other legal issues in his career. He was first drafted by the Dolphins in 2009, so BB is definitely familiar with the corner's play.
At 6'3" and 220lbs, he'll give some needed size to the secondary. Not great hands and can be inconsistent, but he'd be coming fairly inexpensively in terms of picks (I'd think KC would be thrilled with a 4th, happy with a 5th). He'll only count 3m+ against the cap for the rest of the season.
We all know PFF rankings are junk, but it does give us this less subjective stat lines:
- In 2014, Smith has been targeted 78 times and has allowed just 43 catches for 502 yards (link), good for 11th in the league
- In 2015, Smith has been targeted 10 times and has allowed 5 catches for 73 yards, good for 16th in the league
One reason I see this as unlikely - although losing to Minny this upcoming weekend could help - is that KC just lost one of their other CBs recently. You're right, though, Sean Smith is about the best possible, while still realistic, potential CB acquisition the Patriots could hope for.
I like the move but I doubt the Chiefs go into selling mode unless they're 1-6 before the deadline. They probably should waive the white flag at 2-5 but Reid and others won't want to do that. Their last six games are all very winnable so a case can still be made (a poor case but a case nevertheless) that they have a chance at a wild card spot with a good run.
Jeremiah Ratliff cut by the Bears. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-jeremiah-ratliff-cut-spt-20151022-story.html
About 2% this happens but would love to get Steve Smith in NE.
Patriots were his other choice before joining the Ravens, who told media that they are keeping the WR.
I think it's a smoke screen in an attempt to get better offers. Ravens stand a real chance of winning no more than six games in 2015, Smith's supposed last year playing.
And no, not sure where the targets would come from, even if he's in a Patriots uni.
Patriots were his other choice before joining the Ravens, who told media that they are keeping the WR.
I think it's a smoke screen in an attempt to get better offers. Ravens stand a real chance of winning no more than six games in 2015, Smith's supposed last year playing.
And no, not sure where the targets would come from, even if he's in a Patriots uni.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Would have been great to have him here in the preseason but at this point I can't see him picking up the offense in time to be useful and an improvement over the in house WR corp.
BAL appears to be one of the more simplistic offenses in the NFL and he gets 10+ targets per game. Don't see him transitioning to one of the most complex offenses in the game where he sees 4-5 targets per game at best.
Would much rather use any trade capital on OL/DL/CB in that order.
j44thor said:
Supremely unlikely the Patriots go outside for offensive line assistance. I remember looking into this a while back. During the entire Belichick era, the only significant OL addition from outside the organization was Brian Waters, and he was an offseason addition.
Mike Compton, Joe Andruzzi, and Dan Connolly all came from outside the organization. I also think the circumstances are a little unusual as far as current depth. Matt Light had the good sense to get injured in years where we had just drafted a tackle - Kaczur in 2005 and Vollmer in '09. This is probably the worst situation the Pats have had at tackle in the BB era, so past precedent doesn't tell us a ton.Devizier said:
I've been where you are for a good while. The guy is nails. Harbaugh adamant that he won't be dealt, but that's just railing against the storm. They are done; he says he's retiring; and in that case it makes no sense not to deal him.SeoulSoxFan said:
Just as a PSA, the trade deadline is November 3 at 4pm. So Pats will play 2 more games before the deadline.
Super Nomario said:
Andruzzi came to the franchise in 2000, Mike Compton came in 2001; I think you can safely assume that Belichick didn't have "his guys" on the line the year he was hired. That said, Scarnecchia was with the Patriots before Belichick so maybe he was the causative factor for the "in-organization" aspect of the line. I'll give you Connolly.
So we have four examples, two of which happened in 2000 and 2001, and another in 2007. Brian Waters, obviously 2011.
The Patriots are thin at tackle, but they had notoriously bad injury luck in 2003 and 2004, too, and they did okay.
If they're trading for anybody it has to be at corner. I'm all for improving the team in any way possible, but their biggest need is CB.
I'm not pushing back against the idea that it's unlikely (I agree it's unlikely); I'm pushing back against you saying it's "supremely unlikely."Devizier said:
Yes, they have historically built the offensive line from within. They would prefer to build the offensive line from within, just like every team would like to do at every position. Sooner or later, ineffectiveness or injury means you might have to go outside the organization, as they did with the OL when they inherited some weak pieces in 2000/2001. Since then, they've had good luck and good success hitting on OL pieces and kept them together, so they generally haven't needed to add pieces from outside. Another OT injury, however, and they're likely going to have to. Hell, the third tackle Sunday is likely going to be Michael Williams, a guy they already went outside the org to obtain.
I agree 100% with this.Super Nomario said:
Another injury at OT and they will be forced to go outside at the very least the 53-man, whether that means promoting Blaine Clausell from the practice squad, bringing in a FA, or trading for someone.
Given the Pats midseason acquisitions the last few years (Blount, Ayers, Talib, etc.) I'm a little surprised anyone doubts Belichick would go get the person best suited to his roster need, wherever they are.
Super Nomario said:
Fair enough -- but I will push back against the inferred generalization that OL is like every other position. The Patriots have definitely gone out of the organization for other positions, WR most notably among them, but also RB and DB.
I think you have the causation arrow backwards. They've gone out of the organization at other positions, but in large part because they've had to. They haven't had to with OL because they've hit on more of their draft picks. They're getting dangerously close to the point where they might have to thanks to injury. I don't think it's anything fundamental about offensive line versus other positions; if they could, I suspect they would build from within everywhere on the roster.Devizier said:
They mentioned it at halftime during the game tonight. Scared to watch him go over the middle. Be safe Wes.
I get all the 49er games and watch quite a bit of each of them, some Schadenfreude driven, I admit. So, I'll be watching for him, not that it matters any more. For the record, I loved the Montana and Young teams as second, or NFC teams. Mariucci was OK and Harbaugh great for a while, but the 49ers are laughing-stockish now.
Just last year Thomas had 45 receptions for 378 yards in just 11 games. That projects to 65 receptions and 550 yards over a full season. Not a bad fallback option, really. Unless he just instantly got awful.
Pats work out Daryl Richardson. He could be an interesting guy if they end up signing him. He certainly seems to fit the elusive third down back role (in theory).