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I would guess that the Patriots were willing to pay Sneed an amount that was probably more than he is arguably worth, much like with Ridley. They just weren't willing to pay him significantly more. Sneed is apparently getting paid like he's a top 5 corner, even at his absolutely best he's nowhere near that level.
 

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Re-injuries are always possible, though that wouldn’t be my main concern.

The post ACL tear knees are often never the same, mainly due to associated meniscus tears and developing arthritis. It’s even worse for those with multiple ACL tears.

Maybe Pennix is lucky and he escaped without any other damage, but he would be in the minority for an ACL tear x2. I’m sure El Attrache is giving the graft/overall knee stability a thumbs up more than anything else.

They must have a decent idea how things currently look (and obviously he can move around OK now), but how his knee will progress over the next 5+ years is still a lot of guesswork.
I think he needs a whole body mri! ;)

Without having the whole picture, is there data on younger athletes doing better than older ones in terms of longevity? Eg is a partially torn meniscus more recoverable for a 20yo athlete vs a 30yo? If that meniscus is repaired during the ACL surgery.
 

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Sometimes I wonder how the Patriots will ever enter a window of contention if they are only allowed to acquire good players once they are in said window.
Almost like the age and position of the player being perused matters. A weird concept, I know. Like a 31 year old WR or a $30mm CB that’ll be 30 when trying to contend don’t fit well for a team looking for payroll flexibility and quality draft picks the next two years.
 

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I think he needs a whole body mri! ;)

Without having the whole picture, is there data on younger athletes doing better than older ones in terms of longevity? Eg is a partially torn meniscus more recoverable for a 20yo athlete vs a 30yo? If that meniscus is repaired during the ACL surgery.
I don't know on the data, though I would doubt 20 vs 30 makes a big difference. Maybe slightly better to be younger, though honestly most of the tears aside from the very peripheral ones aren't healing anyway.

I bet its almost entirely about the location, type, and size of the tear. And how much is salvageable vs has to be cut out. The more meniscus you lose or becomes nonfunctional, the faster the knee is going to wear down in general. Still some guesswork though, can't always predict with 100% certainty how things will be years down the road. Some people seem to compensate better than others... maybe just due to other factors such as running mechanics, genetics, luck etc.
 

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Speaking of Sneed, lots of reports he had a lingering knee injury and persistent swelling that kept him out of practice much of the year.

KC maybe can’t pay him anyway, but my hunch is they were more interested in going year-to-year on a guy like that. They know his knee better than anyone.
Didn't stop the Pats from signing JuJu!
 

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Sometimes I wonder how the Patriots will ever enter a window of contention if they are only allowed to acquire good players once they are in said window.
Do you think the Pats would be better off over the next 5 years if they did the two deals the Titans have done? Better off meaning their odds of reaching a Super Bowl are higher over the next 5 years. How about 7 years?
 

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Almost like the age and position of the player being perused matters. A weird concept, I know. Like a 31 year old WR or a $30mm CB that’ll be 30 when trying to contend don’t fit well for a team looking for payroll flexibility and quality draft picks the next two years.
They have more payroll flexibility than any other team in football by a mile and won't be paying big money for a QB for the next four years at the very least. Also, why would it take 3 seasons until they're ready to contend? So strange to be that content with them not putting the best product they can on the field for basically no reason.

Joe Burrow made the Bengals contenders in his second year. Stroud made a Texans team projected to pick 1st overall into a dangerous playoff team as a rookie. If they hit on the QB it won't take that long until they're in their window. Or at least it shouldn't if the team around him is good enough (which is currently isn't).
 

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Do you think the Pats would be better off over the next 5 years if they did the two deals the Titans have done? Better off meaning their odds of reaching a Super Bowl are higher over the next 5 years. How about 7 years?
I think they would 100% be better off having Snead for the very reasonable deal he signed. Don't like Ridley at that price.
 

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Do you think the Pats would be better off over the next 5 years if they did the two deals the Titans have done? Better off meaning their odds of reaching a Super Bowl are higher over the next 5 years. How about 7 years?
I"m all about not being a middling team, but only 7 different teams have made the Super Bowl in the last 7 years, that's an extremely high bar.

If he's actually healthy, I'd be more than happy spending money on a 27 year old CB.
 

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Reiss had this over the weekend:
7. Quiet on Bryant: Free agent defensive back Myles Bryant, who played 75% of the defensive snaps last season and was fourth on the Patriots with 77 tackles, remains on the market after spending the past four seasons in New England. My read: He lost a top advocate in Belichick. The Patriots would be open to bringing him back on a salary that reflects him more as a depth player than key cog, but there's been no alignment to date.
 
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Bryant wasn’t as bad as some fans make him out to be.

Most teams’ 4th and 5th CBs are similar or worse. He got exposed due to increased snaps because guys in front of him got hurt but I don’t expect whoever replaces him on the Pats roster to be appreciably better (although probably cheaper which I guess is something)

Not much upside left to be tapped though so finding a slightly worse option with better long term upside or lower cost is probably a good end result

CB is a sneaky area of need for the Pats right now and I’m surprised they haven’t added any depth there
 

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Bryant wasn’t as bad as some fans make him out to be.

Most teams’ 4th and 5th CBs are similar or worse. He got exposed due to increased snaps because guys in front of him got hurt but I don’t expect whoever replaces him on the Pats roster to be appreciably better (although probably cheaper which I guess is something)

Not much upside left to be tapped though so finding a slightly worse option with better long term upside or lower cost is probably a good end result

CB is a sneaky area of need for the Pats right now and I’m surprised they haven’t added any depth there
Most teams 4th or 5th CB's don't play 61% and 75% of the snaps in back to back seasons.

The only people that played more snaps on defense last year were Peppers, Bentley and Dugger. Bryant was literally tied for 2nd on the team with Tavai in solo tackles (mostly because he was constantly giving up completions). He gave up a 75.6% completions rate and a QB rating of 103.4 last season.

The year before, he had the 8th most snaps of anyone on defense and gave up a passer rating of 101.4.

And he singlehandedly cost us the division in 2021 because he couldn't fucking cover Isaiah McKenzie. A dude who had a total of 9 catches for the Bills all season long and shows up and chews up Myles Bryant for 11 catches for 125 yards and a touchdown.

If Myles Bryant was being used as a 4th or 5th corner, by all means, he's fine depth. The problem is he became a starter here at the end of 2021 and kept getting increased playing time after that.

He can go fucking hang out with Bill's other binky, Cyrus Jones in the land of "What the fuck did Bill see in Us Ville?"
 
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Most teams 4th or 5th CB's don't play 61% and 75% of the snaps in back to back seasons.

The only people that played more snaps on defense last year were Peppers, Bentley and Dugger. Bryant was literally tied for 2nd on the team with Tavai in solo tackles (mostly because he was constantly giving up completions). He gave up a 75.6% completions rate and a QB rating of 103.4 last season.

The year before, he had the 8th most snaps of anyone on defense and gave up a passer rating of 101.4.

And he singlehandedly cost us the division in 2021 because he couldn't fucking cover Isaiah McKenzie. A dude who had a total of 9 catches for the Bills all season long and shows up and chews up Myles Bryant for 11 catches for 125 yards and a touchdown.

If Myles Bryant was being used as a 4th or 5th corner, by all means, he's fine depth. The problem is he became a starter here at the end of 2021 and kept getting increased playing time after that.

He can go fucking hang out with Bill's other binky, Cyrus Jones in the land of "What the fuck did Bill see in Us Ville?"
Nice job missing the context I provided (re-read the “he got exposed because of injuries ahead of him” bit)

Did you miss last year’s spate of injuries (and Jack Jones idiocy)? Gonzalez went down. Marcus Jones went down. Jack Jones was injured and cut. Jon Jones missed 3 games

Something tells me if Gonzalez, Marcus Jones and Jack Jones play close to a full season, Bryant wouldn’t have logged nearly as many snaps. There wasn’t a single game when Jon Jones, Gonzalez and Jack Jones were all healthy/available which would have placed Bryant 4th on the depth chart where he belongs and there’s a chance Marcus Jones would have jumped him for snaps (debatable but possible)

I just don’t see too many teams who have 4th CB who are appreciably better than Myles Bryant. A few, yes. But the hatred people have for the guy is outright bizarre.

He’s a depth CB who had some marginal versatility on where he could line up and was an ok special teamer. Miscast playing 65% of the snaps for sure. But that’s true of most every 4th CB in the NFL and I simply don’t see any compelling argument that in a world where Jones, Jones and Gonzalez are healthy/available that he would have logged that snap count.
 

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Nice job missing the context I provided (re-read the “he got exposed because of injuries ahead of him” bit)

Did you miss last year’s spate of injuries (and Jack Jones idiocy)? Gonzalez went down. Marcus Jones went down. Jack Jones was injured and cut. Jon Jones missed 3 games

Something tells me if Gonzalez, Marcus Jones and Jack Jones play close to a full season, Bryant wouldn’t have logged nearly as many snaps. There wasn’t a single game when Jon Jones, Gonzalez and Jack Jones were all healthy/available which would have placed Bryant 4th on the depth chart where he belongs and there’s a chance Marcus Jones would have jumped him for snaps (debatable but possible)

I just don’t see too many teams who have 4th CB who are appreciably better than Myles Bryant. A few, yes. But the hatred people have for the guy is outright bizarre.

He’s a depth CB who had some marginal versatility on where he could line up and was an ok special teamer. Miscast playing 65% of the snaps for sure. But that’s true of most every 4th CB in the NFL and I simply don’t see any compelling argument that in a world where Jones, Jones and Gonzalez are healthy/available that he would have logged that snap count.
If he’s just a depth CB then he should be easy to replace through the draft, and I expect them to take a bite or two at that apple next month. Sneaky need, agreed.
 

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Most teams 4th or 5th CB's don't play 61% and 75% of the snaps in back to back seasons.

The only people that played more snaps on defense last year were Peppers, Bentley and Dugger. Bryant was literally tied for 2nd on the team with Tavai in solo tackles (mostly because he was constantly giving up completions). He gave up a 75.6% completions rate and a QB rating of 103.4 last season.

The year before, he had the 8th most snaps of anyone on defense and gave up a passer rating of 101.4.

And he singlehandedly cost us the division in 2021 because he couldn't fucking cover Isaiah McKenzie. A dude who had a total of 9 catches for the Bills all season long and shows up and chews up Myles Bryant for 11 catches for 125 yards and a touchdown.

If Myles Bryant was being used as a 4th or 5th corner, by all means, he's fine depth. The problem is he became a starter here at the end of 2021 and kept getting increased playing time after that.

He can go fucking hang out with Bill's other binky, Cyrus Jones in the land of "What the fuck did Bill see in Us Ville?"
The McKenzie game colored people's perception of him. Prior to that he had the nice play at the end of the wind game and seemed like a nice depth player. Vitriol for him was not rational. But every fanbase needs a few punching bags.

I would worry about replacing these 4th/5th corners without BB. Guy had a preternatural ability to coach up DBs.
 
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Myles Bryant was an easy punching bag for those with a short-sighted WEEI streak coursing through their bodies. Was he great? Of course not. Good? In some contexts. But it wasn't just last year that he was thrust into roles he wasn't suited for. When he played in the roles he was meant to be cast in, he did fine. I don't think it's a huge loss, but the irrational fury about Bryant isn't just over-the-top, it's a tell.
 

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Nice job missing the context I provided (re-read the “he got exposed because of injuries ahead of him” bit)

Did you miss last year’s spate of injuries (and Jack Jones idiocy)? Gonzalez went down. Marcus Jones went down. Jack Jones was injured and cut. Jon Jones missed 3 games

Something tells me if Gonzalez, Marcus Jones and Jack Jones play close to a full season, Bryant wouldn’t have logged nearly as many snaps. There wasn’t a single game when Jon Jones, Gonzalez and Jack Jones were all healthy/available which would have placed Bryant 4th on the depth chart where he belongs and there’s a chance Marcus Jones would have jumped him for snaps (debatable but possible)

I just don’t see too many teams who have 4th CB who are appreciably better than Myles Bryant. A few, yes. But the hatred people have for the guy is outright bizarre.

He’s a depth CB who had some marginal versatility on where he could line up and was an ok special teamer. Miscast playing 65% of the snaps for sure. But that’s true of most every 4th CB in the NFL and I simply don’t see any compelling argument that in a world where Jones, Jones and Gonzalez are healthy/available that he would have logged that snap count.
But that's the problem. It's the NFL, it's more rare to have your top 3 corners available than it isn't. I'm saying Myles Bryant is not a good 4th corner. Jalen Mills was available for all 17 games last year, and he played about half as many snaps as Bryant. Jon Jones, in 3 less games than Bryant, played 121 less snaps than Bryant. JC Jackson was brought in and played the final 8 games too.

Bryant was a blind spot for Bill. It was clear that teams were picking on him in the passing game routinely for two years. If Bill thought going into 2022 and then again 2023 with Myles Bryant as the 4th corner, Bill fucked up. I don't think thats a controversial position.
 

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The McKenzie game colored people's perception of him. Prior to that he had the nice play at the end of the wind game and seemed like a nice depth player. Vitriol for him was not rational. But every fanbase needs a few punching bags.

I would worry about replacing these 4th/5th corners without BB. Guy had a preternatural ability to coach up DBs.
The McKenzie game happened at the end of 2021. Prior to that game, he had never played more than 63% of the snaps in any game in his career (except for the 54-13 blowout earlier in the year) anx the wind game a few weeks before the McKenzie game when he played 93% of the snaps. His next two highest totals were 53% twice.

He played 93% of the snaps in the wind game. Then he went back down to 40% the next week, then 87% in the McKenzie game and 85% in the following blowout (50-10) and then he was benched for the final game and played 41% of the snaps in the playoff game.

The game didn't cloud anyone's judgment, outside of the wind game, it was Bryant's first real opportunity to show something and he fell on his face. Then in 2022, he came out and played 53% of the snaps in week one, jumped to over 80% in week 2 and then fluctuated for the rest of the season from 44% to 100% of the snaps in a given game. Then in 2023, he got the 4th most snaps of anyone on defense and he got beat like a turnstile, do I need to reiterate, he gave up 62 completions on 82 targets, a QB rating of 103.

I can promise nothing is clouding my perception of Myles Bryant except watching him play. He was terrible.
 

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I wonder if Mayo/Covington will bring any schematic changes to the D that would impact the types of players we are used to seeing in a Pats uni. More zone? More one-gapping? We've pretty much had the same basic scheme for 23 years, which has clearly impacted the sorts of players that BB targeted.
 

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I think they would 100% be better off having Snead for the very reasonable deal he signed. Don't like Ridley at that price.
A little more info is out about Sneed's contract now - it's $76.4m over 4 years, $20m in signing bonus, and $55m in guarantees. Haven't see breakdown of the distribution across years or "fully guaranteed" money, but the numbers basically mirror Jaylon Johnson's contract plus $100k per year to put Sneed as the 5th highest paid CB in the league. Note that Johnson is 2.25 years younger than Sneed.