Official Patriots 2024 Draft Pick Watch Thread (#3)

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The PFF 2024 mock draft podcast (taped before Sunday’s game) had the Pats taking Bo Nix at #7. I can’t see that. I think the Pats will be picking higher than that (maybe much higher) and will have a shot at Fashanu, Alt, maybe even Harrison Jr. They need elite talent, not “value”. Nix does nothing for me, he’s more physically gifted than Mac but I don’t see him as a guy you use a top 10 pick on. I want (in order, based on availability) Williams, Harrison Jr, Fashanu, Alt, Bowers.

The Pats-Jets game on January 7 could be meaningful for this team in ways we haven’t had to think about for a long long time.
 

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Am I the only one kinda enjoying a return to normalcy after 2 decades of insanity? So we suck for a few years. Fuck it.

But if I own the team, I have a hard conversation with BB. He can't buy the offensive groceries anymore, and he shouldn't be owning the entire coaching staff decision process either.

If he agreed to 3 years of "Defensive GM" and Head coach, great. If not, it might be time to blow the whole thing up.
Is it even feasible to split up GN duties? Don’t you kind of need to have a single person responsible for the overall budget and cap moves? Having 2 cooks with different objectives could make managing the cap very difficult.

Also, would anyone with the necessary talent who we would want to have in this “Offensive GM” position ever agree to such a division of power? Seems like it wouldn’t be a highly sought after role.

If you go this route of talking BB into giving up some responsibilities, I think you have to go even further. That’s what makes this situation so difficult.
 
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The correct move is trading players who have value not on rookie contracts, save Judon and Jones and Dugger and trying to get Caleb Williams. He's going to be so good and is better than Mac today.

I'd rather Belichick oversee the next couple years, but it can't be a big mistake to move on unless you hire a stiff.
 
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The correct move is trading players who have value not on rookie contracts, save Judon and Jones and Dugger and trying to get Caleb Williams. He's going to be so good and is better than Mac today.

I'd rather Belichick oversee the next couple years, but it can't be a big mistake to move on unless you hire a stiff.
There are pending UFA's that could be traded:

Will Grier
Ezekial Elliott
Kendrick Bourne
Matt Slater (obviously not a trade candidate)
Ty Montgomery
Hunter Henry
Mike Geisicki
Pharaoh Brown
Trent Brown (unclear to me how his recent restructuring would complicate matters)
Riley Reiff
Mike Onwenu
Trey Flowers (still on PUP)
Josh Uche
Anfernee Jennings
Kyle Dugger
Myles Bryant
Cody Davis

Of the above, my guess is that only Bourne, Henry, Uche, and Dugger could return anything of value, and if I was Bill I would listen to offers for any of them. I don't think Dugger is anything special and I'm not convinced the Pats will resign him anyway. At best, they get some Day 3 picks; in some cases, the comp pick the following season could be more valuable. And if they traded Bryant, @Deathofthebambino would be crushed and would probably never go to a game in Foxboro again.
 

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There are pending UFA's that could be traded:

Will Grier
Ezekial Elliott - 3M
Kendrick Bourne - 7M

Matt Slater (obviously not a trade candidate)
Ty Montgomery - 1M
Hunter Henry - 16M
Mike Geisicki - 4M

Pharaoh Brown
Trent Brown - 12M
Riley Reiff - 5M
Mike Onwenu - 3M

Trey Flowers (still on PUP)
Josh Uche - 2M
Anfernee Jennings
Kyle Dugger - 4M
Myles Bryant - 3M

Cody Davis

Of the above, my guess is that only Bourne, Henry, Uche, and Dugger could return anything of value, and if I was Bill I would listen to offers for any of them. I don't think Dugger is anything special and I'm not convinced the Pats will resign him anyway. At best, they get some Day 3 picks; in some cases, the comp pick the following season could be more valuable. And if they traded Bryant, @Deathofthebambino would be crushed and would probably never go to a game in Foxboro again.
This is why the $80M in cap space for next year is somewhat of a mirage. The 11 players I bolded above are those I'd consider starters or at least in tight positional rotation (like Zeke at RB, Bryant at CB, Uche at EDGE) have cap numbers this year totaling appx. $60M. Very few are what I would consider an overpay for the going rate for FA starter/tight rotation level replacements. As such, their replacements are likely to be as expensive, as it's not like the Pats have a ton of picks stockpiled. They do have all of their 1st-6th round picks, but let's say they hit on 4 of those draftees. That means they're finding 7 more FAs to fill in, as well as 6 more JAGs for those I didn't highlight. There'll be a lot of fun stories to tell on Hard Knocks next season (or not, if BB gets fired).
 

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This is why the $80M in cap space for next year is somewhat of a mirage. The 11 players I bolded above are those I'd consider starters or at least in tight positional rotation (like Zeke at RB, Bryant at CB, Uche at EDGE) have cap numbers this year totaling appx. $60M. Very few are what I would consider an overpay for the going rate for FA starter/tight rotation level replacements. As such, their replacements are likely to be as expensive, as it's not like the Pats have a ton of picks stockpiled. They do have all of their 1st-6th round picks, but let's say they hit on 4 of those draftees. That means they're finding 7 more FAs to fill in, as well as 6 more JAGs for those I didn't highlight. There'll be a lot of fun stories to tell on Hard Knocks next season (or not, if BB gets fired).
To an extent I kind of disagree. The 2 RBs... that's not cheap, $4M for your backup RBs is high. Zeke has the 23rd highest RB cap hit this year, I would guess next year we'll fill those 2 spots for less not more. Hunter Henry has the highest TE cap hit in the league. Given the FA class, it's likely we'll save half, maybe 2/3rds of that if we sign a TE (or draft one). Brown is a top 20 in Tackle cap hit, if we go higher than that it's for a star. Bourne is 29th in cap hit for WR this year... so if we upgrade it might cost more. Gesicki (if he's not back) is getting paid like a low-end starter, Bryant is probably getting paid about right for his role.

Now the guys who are getting "underpaid" are Dugger and Uche. Those are the roles I see as needing more money to replace than is outgoing (though Dugger may just be getting mostly replaced internally with Mapu, and adding a new rotation safety might not cost more). I would say they have plenty of money to spend on upgrades.

Currently they have 106M in cap (but really about 93M in effective space) and that doesn't include the cut/restructure of JC Jackson which seem inevitable which frees up another 10-14M.

They Patriots can spend a significant amount this offseason to upgrade without any real concerns... the question as always will be.... will they spend it well.
 

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But to me the OL is a coaching issue too. I know the talent level isn't great and they haven't had the continuity they wanted with the injuries, but they were a middle of the pack unit by most metrics last year with 4/5 starters coming back, and even when they had Brown, Strange, Andrews and Onwenu playing together this year they looked like crap. PFF had them 13th in their projected rankings to start the season. What gives?
We've only seen that grouping together for 44 snaps this season, and the fifth spot has been a dumpster fire all year.
 

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The PFF 2024 mock draft podcast (taped before Sunday’s game) had the Pats taking Bo Nix at #7. I can’t see that. I think the Pats will be picking higher than that (maybe much higher) and will have a shot at Fashanu, Alt, maybe even Harrison Jr. They need elite talent, not “value”. Nix does nothing for me, he’s more physically gifted than Mac but I don’t see him as a guy you use a top 10 pick on. I want (in order, based on availability) Williams, Harrison Jr, Fashanu, Alt, Bowers.

The Pats-Jets game on January 7 could be meaningful for this team in ways we haven’t had to think about for a long long time.
How many of Bo’s teammates went to his birthday party?
 

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We've only seen that grouping together for 44 snaps this season, and the fifth spot has been a dumpster fire all year.
Also we've seen zero snaps where at least 1, but probably both of the guards weren't playing with limitations due to injury.

On paper I could see the rankings... Brown is good, honestly he's been fine this year even, the middle 3 looked pretty good late last year (Onwenwu excellent, Strange promising, Andrews solid) and RT had 3 options, McDermott who was not terrible last year, Reiff who played pretty well last year, and Anderson who was also not terrible.

problem is... McDermott got hurt, Reiff they didn't like what they saw (Father time finally caught up?) then he got hurt, Anderson missed all of camp with a mysterious, but apparently very serious illness... then was terrible when he got back. Onwenwu and Strange hurt... etc. etc.

On paper this should have been a mediocre line (last year's was and this year's had more depth.) but everything that could go wrong did.
 

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This is why the $80M in cap space for next year is somewhat of a mirage. The 11 players I bolded above are those I'd consider starters or at least in tight positional rotation (like Zeke at RB, Bryant at CB, Uche at EDGE) have cap numbers this year totaling appx. $60M. Very few are what I would consider an overpay for the going rate for FA starter/tight rotation level replacements. As such, their replacements are likely to be as expensive, as it's not like the Pats have a ton of picks stockpiled. They do have all of their 1st-6th round picks, but let's say they hit on 4 of those draftees. That means they're finding 7 more FAs to fill in, as well as 6 more JAGs for those I didn't highlight. There'll be a lot of fun stories to tell on Hard Knocks next season (or not, if BB gets fired).
OTOH, the relatively low salaries for some of those guys may allow them to be more attractive trade bait and easier to fit into more teams' existing room.
 

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Is the dunking on Bryant sarcasm? If it isn't people really need to chill about CB5//depth safety. He's a really good depth piece. It's not his fault Gonzo goes out and he has to take Lamb. Bryant has actually been one of their most consistent players this year and made some nice plays in his games. I really hate the shitting on Bryant meme. He has his issues but he is never out of place and is a sound and consistent tackler. Bryant is a guy you want in all locker rooms too.
 

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Keep your eyes on Minny. They are 1-4 and Jefferson is on IR. They may be tempted to tank for Cousins' replacement rather than trying to make a miracle happen. They have two games left v Chicago and one at Denver, all of which will be critical for draft position.
 

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Is the dunking on Bryant sarcasm? If it isn't people really need to chill about CB5//depth safety. He's a really good depth piece. It's not his fault Gonzo goes out and he has to take Lamb. Bryant has actually been one of their most consistent players this year and made some nice plays in his games. I really hate the shitting on Bryant meme. He has his issues but he is never out of place and is a sound and consistent tackler. Bryant is a guy you want in all locker rooms too.
I THINK it’s part schtick? And in a few Bills games he got isolated on Isaiah McKenzie in man, who ran deep drags across the field under the cover of clear out routes. I recall that getting him on folks’ shit list, as if many corners can hang with a speedy receiver in man that far across the field.

He’s fine for what he is. If they had a faster/quicker player at his roster spot, then that player would almost certainly be a shitty tackler who we’d bitch about on that basis.
 

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Is the dunking on Bryant sarcasm? If it isn't people really need to chill about CB5//depth safety. He's a really good depth piece. It's not his fault Gonzo goes out and he has to take Lamb. Bryant has actually been one of their most consistent players this year and made some nice plays in his games. I really hate the shitting on Bryant meme. He has his issues but he is never out of place and is a sound and consistent tackler. Bryant is a guy you want in all locker rooms too.
Much of it has to do with the epic meltdown a poster had against him a couple of years back. I mean, it was a legendary tirade. Boston sports figures have no chance against such a thrashing. He could be DPOY and the flames would continue to roast him. Scarred for life.
 

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Keep your eyes on Minny. They are 1-4 and Jefferson is on IR. They may be tempted to tank for Cousins' replacement rather than trying to make a miracle happen. They have two games left v Chicago and one at Denver, all of which will be critical for draft position.
Yes, they might even trade Cousins. I still think they have enough on the offensive side to fall into a few wins but they are certainly a team no one expected to be this bad being this bad.
 

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Is the dunking on Bryant sarcasm? If it isn't people really need to chill about CB5//depth safety. He's a really good depth piece. It's not his fault Gonzo goes out and he has to take Lamb. Bryant has actually been one of their most consistent players this year and made some nice plays in his games. I really hate the shitting on Bryant meme. He has his issues but he is never out of place and is a sound and consistent tackler. Bryant is a guy you want in all locker rooms too.
Bryant is the latest incarnation of Ellis Hobbs lightning rod. Guy had some high profile whiffs last year, but you are correct that he has been spot-on this year. He'll be exposed going toe to toe against elite playmakers, but that's not supposed to be his job. If we ask Sam Hauser to cover Jimmy Butler for 40 minutes, it'd look gross too. When Bryant is put in a position to succeed, he does quite well.
 

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Bryant is the latest incarnation of Ellis Hobbs lightning rod. Guy had some high profile whiffs last year, but you are correct that he has been spot-on this year. He'll be exposed going toe to toe against elite playmakers, but that's not supposed to be his job. If we ask Sam Hauser to cover Jimmy Butler for 40 minutes, it'd look gross too. When Bryant is put in a position to succeed, he does quite well.
Didn’t he get absolutely torched by the Bills #4 receiver to the tune of like 10 catches and 130 yards? That’s not an “elite playmaker”, that’s getting taken to the woodshed by a fringe roster guy.

I’ll acknowledge that I may be thinking of him irrationally though.
 

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Didn’t he get absolutely torched by the Bills #4 receiver to the tune of like 10 catches and 130 yards? That’s not an “elite playmaker”, that’s getting taken to the woodshed by a fringe roster guy.

I’ll acknowledge that I may be thinking of him irrationally though.
SMU was noting that Bryant has been a consistently solid performer this year, even since everyone else went down.

Receiving performances this year against us:
Philly: Brown top (79), 170y team, 1 guy 50+ yards.
Fins: Waddle (86), 249y team, 1 50+
Jets: Wilson (48), 157y team, 0 50+
Dallas: Ferguson (77), 281y team, 3 50+
Saints: Thomas (65), 183y team, 2 50+

Nobody has had over 86 yards against us this year receiving. Kinda hard to believe with all of the injuries and the massive point totals in a couple of cases. Unless I missed something, nobody has been torching us receiving.
 

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SMU was noting that Bryant has been a consistently solid performer this year, even since everyone else went down.

Receiving performances this year against us:
Philly: Brown top (79), 170y team, 1 guy 50+ yards.
Fins: Waddle (86), 249y team, 1 50+
Jets: Wilson (48), 157y team, 0 50+
Dallas: Ferguson (77), 281y team, 3 50+
Saints: Thomas (65), 183y team, 2 50+

Nobody has had over 86 yards against us this year receiving. Kinda hard to believe with all of the injuries and the massive point totals in a couple of cases. Unless I missed something, nobody has been torching us receiving.
Oh, I’m going back to this game -https://www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp/2021/12/28/22856689/film-room-patriots-defense-myles-bryant-mckenzie - or as I call it in my mind, The Myles Bryant Game.
 

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Oh, I’m going back to this game -https://www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp/2021/12/28/22856689/film-room-patriots-defense-myles-bryant-mckenzie - or as I call it in my mind, The Myles Bryant Game.
Yeah there were games where Myles was in way over his head and folks still have some PTSD over some of his plays, and I don't say that mockingly. In the right role on the right defense, he's really not a bad player and has been solid this year.
 

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Much of it has to do with the epic meltdown a poster had against him a couple of years back. I mean, it was a legendary tirade. Boston sports figures have no chance against such a thrashing. He could be DPOY and the flames would continue to roast him. Scarred for life.
That poster was me. It was the Buffalo game in 2021, when the Pats came into that game at 9-5, and the Bills came in at 8-6. Myles Bryant was covering Isaiah McKenzie. McKenzie that season had a grand total of 9 catches for 43 yards and 0tds in 14 games. That night, he had 11 catches for 125 yards and 1td. McKenzie played a total of 24% of the snap counts for Buffalo that year. Bryant played 55% of the snaps for the Pats (he played 61% last year, and is on pace for 85% this season, I understand injuries, but he plays a lot for an alleged "5th corner").

Opening drive of the game, 3rd and 7, McKenzie 7 yard gain, first down. On the same drive, 4th and 2 from the 3, touchdown to McKenzie in the end zone.

The Pats cut a 20-7 Bills lead down to 20-14. On the next Bills drive, 3rd and 2, Allen hit McKenzie for 5 yards, on the next play, he hit McKenzie for 28 yards. Bills scored on that possession 26-20.

Pats score on their next drive, back in it at 26-21. Third play of the next drive, on 3rd and 10, Allen hits McKenzie for 17 yards, on the next play, he hits McKenzie for 15 more yards. They score, 33-21. Game over.


It was without a doubt the worst game I've ever seen played by an NFL defensive back in all of my years of watching football. It was pitch and catch to a guy who literally hadn't seen the field all year, and hasn't seen it much since. In fairness to Bryant, he did set a career high in solo tackles with 8 (and combined tackles with 9, which he broke this year with 10 in week 2). So there's that.

I'm sure he's a great locker room guy and all, but fuck me, that was a tough one to watch in person. Everyone around me in my section was just sitting there knowing that any time Allen wanted to throw it, he could just find McKenzie. He caught 11 of 12 targets and played 85% of the snaps. He didn't play more than 32% of the snaps in any other game the entire season for the Bills.

If the Pats win that game, they finish 11-6, and Buffalo finishes 10-7, and we aren't getting pancaked by Buffalo in the WCG. I believe we would have hosted the Raiders instead.

So yeah, I still have thoughts about Myles Bryant. Then the motherfucker has the gall to change his jersey # to 27 the following year, my favorite fucking number.
 

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Bryant is definitely a player who seems to be held in much higher regard by the Patriots than fans, or at least some here.

I feel like I've seen references to him getting cut after every game since he came to New England.
 

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Unsurprisingly the Patriots, among other teams, will have multiple scouts at the Washington - Oregon game
 

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Williams is orchestrating his slide to the Pats at #6 at the moment.
I’m switching back and forth between USC and UNC. Williams doesn’t stand a chance but when he has had time, his pocket presence is like an anti-Brady.

Maye’s accuracy has been pretty suspect.
 

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I’m switching back and forth between USC and UNC. Williams doesn’t stand a chance but when he has had time, his pocket presence is like an anti-Brady.

Maye’s accuracy has been pretty suspect.
Maye is struggling, but his line and OC aren't doing him any favors, MIA blitzing an insane amount and UNC's response appears to be "wait they can do that?"
 

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So we want MIn to beat CHI, right? I mean in a shootout where CHI continues to think Fields might actually be the answer.
 

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Another loss, but didn't move in the draft order. Sitting at #6 through 6 weeks. The strength of schedule is going to be good for the Pats in terms of accumulating losses but also a back breaker because it's used at the bottom to break ties.

Next Week:

1. Carolina 0-6 BYE
2. Chicago 1-5 vs. Las Vegas - May have lost Fields and starting something named Tyson Bagent at QB.
3. Denver 1-5 vs. Green Bay
4. Arizona 1-5 BYE
5. New York Giants 1-5 vs. Washington
6. New England vs. Buffalo

After that we get into the 2 win teams.

Long term outlook, Carolina looks bad but has no incentive to lose so if Young develops a bit maybe they pick off a few W's down the stretch. Their schedule isn't too bad, they get the weak/anyone's guess NFC South and also the AFC South.

The Bears started to show some signs of the life for a week and then lose a ghastly one to the Vikings and Fields gets hurt in the process.

Denver's been mostly competitive other than the Miami fiasco. They also seem to be the team most willing to sell at the deadline so they could really tear it down, and who knows what happens with Wilson.

Arizona is starting to show why they were the pre-season front runnes for the #1 pick. They are competitive at time but have absolutely no talent.

The Giants have scored less points than the Patriots and have allowed more. They are a bad football team.

If we are looking at needs and what not, if the Bears end up with two top 5 picks it seems like an offensive reboot with Williams/Maye and Marvin Harrison Jr. will be their play. Arizona would probably take a QB too and move on from Murray. Not sure what the financial ramifcations are wiith the Giants and Daniel Jones if they cut him but I find it hard to believe they'd pass up a QB in lieu of Jones. I'd put the Broncos in here too with Wilson.
 

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Another loss, but didn't move in the draft order. Sitting at #6 through 6 weeks. The strength of schedule is going to be good for the Pats in terms of accumulating losses but also a back breaker because it's used at the bottom to break ties.

Next Week:

1. Carolina 0-6 BYE
2. Chicago 1-5 vs. Las Vegas - May have lost Fields and starting something named Tyson Bagent at QB.
3. Denver 1-5 vs. Green Bay
4. Arizona 1-5 BYE
5. New York Giants 1-5 vs. Washington
6. New England vs. Buffalo

After that we get into the 2 win teams.

Long term outlook, Carolina looks bad but has no incentive to lose so if Young develops a bit maybe they pick off a few W's down the stretch. Their schedule isn't too bad, they get the weak/anyone's guess NFC South and also the AFC South.

The Bears started to show some signs of the life for a week and then lose a ghastly one to the Vikings and Fields gets hurt in the process.

Denver's been mostly competitive other than the Miami fiasco. They also seem to be the team most willing to sell at the deadline so they could really tear it down, and who knows what happens with Wilson.

Arizona is starting to show why they were the pre-season front runnes for the #1 pick. They are competitive at time but have absolutely no talent.

The Giants have scored less points than the Patriots and have allowed more. They are a bad football team.

If we are looking at needs and what not, if the Bears end up with two top 5 picks it seems like an offensive reboot with Williams/Maye and Marvin Harrison Jr. will be their play. Arizona would probably take a QB too and move on from Murray. Not sure what the financial ramifcations are wiith the Giants and Daniel Jones if they cut him but I find it hard to believe they'd pass up a QB in lieu of Jones. I'd put the Broncos in here too with Wilson.
Giants are pretty committed to Jones next year although if they trade him post June 1 next year, they can spread out the hit. Cutting him isn’t feasible. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them go for one of the top OT and then go with a guy like Penix in Round 2. That way, you try to make it work with Jones in 2024 but also have an out, if needed.
 

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Giants need OL help in a BIG way. They have to go OT
Trying it to find a link but believe they have a young top 5 pick at LT and a strong RT, both just injured. Healthy I think they are fine, unlike Pats. We’ll, actually we’ve got plenty of injured OL just not good ones.
 

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CHI is likely going to own the top of the draft. They will probably only be favored in 1 more game this season, vs. CAR which would be terrible if CAR somehow wins that game.
CAR is unlikely to be favored at all the rest of the season, they are a bad team on both sides of the ball with a rookie QB.
NE does have a soft 3 game stretch where they might be favored vs. WAS, vs. IND and @ NYG. If they win 2-3 of those games they are probably outside the top 5 of the draft.
 

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Trying it to find a link but believe they have a young top 5 pick at LT and a strong RT, both just injured. Healthy I think they are fine, unlike Pats. We’ll, actually we’ve got plenty of injured OL just not good ones.
Andrew Thomas is their LT signed through 2026, they aren't drafting a LT with a top 10 pick.
 
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Trying it to find a link but believe they have a young top 5 pick at LT and a strong RT, both just injured. Healthy I think they are fine, unlike Pats. We’ll, actually we’ve got plenty of injured OL just not good ones.
Evan Neal looks like a total dud at RT. They might delude themselves into thinking drafting an Alt or Fashanu would give them such good tackles that it would make Daniel Jones better but it’s more likely they go WR.
 

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Evan Neal looks like a total dud at RT. They might delude themselves into thinking drafting an Alt or Fashanu would give them such good tackles that it would make Daniel Jones better but it’s more likely they go WR.
If they don’t go Maye or Caleb, the value will likely be at OT where the Giants pick. They also might trade down for more assets and pick a guy like Egbuka in the 10-15 range. They definitely have similar problems as the Pats - need basically everything.
 

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Alright so who is the QB3 in this draft? Let's say Williams, Maye, and MHJ are all off the board. Does anyone here think any of Penix Jr, Bo Nix, or JJ McCarthy are worthy of a top 10 pick?
 

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Alright so who is the QB3 in this draft? Let's say Williams, Maye, and MHJ are all off the board. Does anyone here think any of Penix Jr, Bo Nix, or JJ McCarthy are worthy of a top 10 pick?
It's early, but consensus big board has Ewers as QB 3 (and player 27), Penix QB 4 (30 overall), Sanders QB5 (31 overall), McCarthy 6 (33 overall).
Consensus mocks have Penix at 7 as the QB3. (McCarthy at 11, Ewers 19, Nix 37 to the Pats).

Big board is likely a better consensus since few are doing mocks this early.
 

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It's early, but consensus big board has Ewers as QB 3 (and player 27), Penix QB 4 (30 overall), Sanders QB5 (31 overall), McCarthy 6 (33 overall).
Consensus mocks have Penix at 7 as the QB3. (McCarthy at 11, Ewers 19, Nix 37 to the Pats).

Big board is likely a better consensus since few are doing mocks this early.
In this case, the right move would be to either trade to move up to get a top 3 pick OR grab the stud OT that they desperately need, then take one of these QBs in round 2.
 

Auger34

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Alright so who is the QB3 in this draft? Let's say Williams, Maye, and MHJ are all off the board. Does anyone here think any of Penix Jr, Bo Nix, or JJ McCarthy are worthy of a top 10 pick?
If the Pats get the 6th pick in this scenario, it would be smart to take Fashanu or Alt if they are available. If they aren't, it's probably best to trade down (sadly)
 

SMU_Sox

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The two most impactful positions in football are QB by a mile and then WR. WRs have a gap between them and the next group of OT, Edge, Dynamic IDL, outside corner.

A dynamic in-line TE is also valuable but you’re really talking about the best of the best here.

Even if you don’t buy the gaps, it’s a lot harder to find WRs these days. The best WRs, OTs, most of the best edges, etc, do not become FAs. SN has a theory that positional value in terms of EPA/War is overstated which I am not sure I buy or not but salary wise it’s different.

You might want to trade down and take a WR in the top 10-15 vs top 6 if MHJr. Is gone. Not sure yet! Haven’t done evals. I don’t think the value of an elite LT elevates you that much more incrementally than just a good LT. The difference between Matt Light (peak) vs Trent Williams (peak) is less than the difference between Nelson Agholor (peak) vs Justin Jefferson. Agholor isn’t a great comp. Maybe peak Deion Branch?

I think trading down might be the best move but I also might have high grades on a bunch of the WRs.


Also folks. Just a heads up. This year OT is deep in the draft. Outside WR is incredible. This is the best outside WR crop in at least the last 5-6 years. Could be a decade? (Edit I started watching WRs - the top 6-7 guys I’ve seen so far on the outside are all better prospects than what Parker is producing at).