What's not realistic, that a deal can't be made for a pitcher with at least 3 years of control?That’s not realistic if you’re trying to deal position players for SPs. Other teams aren’t going to assume Mayer is a can’t miss prospect right now. The other two maybe but I hope they don’t move either of them. Anyway Cease is only available because his clock is winding down. A year ago he wasn’t available at all.
Anything is possible, but how many good SP with that much control are available, for what the Sox have to offer? Most of the really bad teams don’t have pitching. Which is why they are bad.What's not realistic, that a deal can't be made for a pitcher with at least 3 years of control?
I'm pretty sure that you're aware of the few teams with young, controllable, pitching talent that have been indentified in these threads. Do you not think that the Sox have much to offer?Anything is possible, but how many good SP with that much control are available, for what the Sox have to offer? Most of the really bad teams don’t have pitching. Which is why they are bad.
I have heard people mention guys like Gilbert, Castillo, and Kirby- but have yet to see any actual evidence that they are available. Cease is on the market; the ChiSox wanted Bello+ a year ago, right? Not sure who else is out there.I'm pretty sure that you're aware of the few teams with young, controllable, pitching talent that have been indentified in these threads. Do you not think that the Sox have much to offer?
No. Bunch of internet posters are going to force Henry to sell the team. Yup.Any rumors going on to put in the rumor thread?
Those teams will want pitching back, I’m pretty sure. That’s the problem. For Mayer you could get a controllable pitcher from a lower tier, not an emerging ace. That wouldn’t be worth it for the Sox.I'm pretty sure that you're aware of the few teams with young, controllable, pitching talent that have been indentified in these threads. Do you not think that the Sox have much to offer?
MOST teams will want pitching back. There are of couple of teams that may be able to afford to move a young pitcher in return for players who fill other needs.Those teams will want pitching back. That’s the problem.
And, until it happened, we didn't think there was a chance of moving Sale. If CB has shown us anything with that, it's the he is not afraid to be bold.I don't think there is a chance and it would be foolish to move on from him without reestablishing whatever value a not cheap DH would have as it's basically JDM-lite. Breslow certainly wouldn't care about moving on from Bloom guys.
I also think he'll bounce back a bit. His plate discipline was something else in the first half. You've gotta think a lot of it was pressing as you don't suddenly lose your batting eye at age 29.
Well I hope you’re right but it would take some doing.MOST teams will want pitching back. There are of couple of teams that may be able to afford to move a young pitcher in return for players who fill other needs.
Not rumors, per se, but Cotillo continues his swing-and-miss offseason with a list of 24 "predictions" for this seasonCould we potentially move the Yoshida talk to its own post or an already existing thread? And move this back to rumors?
Is this a precursor to a Jansen/Martin/Houck type trade? One more bullpen arm for the pitcher whisperer, maybe? If Giolito is to happen, we need to clear a spot.Minor move but fills up the 40 man roster with Giolito still not official...
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Max Castillo brings the beef: he's listed at 6'2", 280 pounds.Fits into Breslow's MO. Power arm that pounds the strike zone. Never really got his secondary pitches to get swings and misses. Gets hit hard early in the count.
Was just wondering about this. Castillo is optionable, which is great. But barring a trade I’d guess the most likely DFA is either Mata or Llovera, the only guys in our bullpen without options.Looks like that puts the roster at 40, before Lucas Giolito comes on board. Someone will have to go.
I was going to mention him. He was the last acquisition for the 40-man made by Bloom, so I have to imagine Breslow has no real attachment to him (or Llovera or Mata as were also mentioned). Any of them could go to make room, or it could be someone we don't expect. It's almost certainly going to be a pitcher though, since they've got a significant imbalance of pitchers to position players on the 40-man at the moment (24-16).Zack Weiss seems pretty darn fungible.
I’d say so too, but he’s optionable. One of those good stuff, so-so command guys.Zack Weiss seems pretty darn fungible.
El Guapísimo.Max Castillo brings the beef: he's listed at 6'2", 280 pounds.
For comparison, El Guapo was listed at 6'0", 250 pounds.
Per MLBTR, he's got an option remaining. So if he makes it to April, you'd guess it'd be in Worcester.
Love this. I'd love to get one of their young hurlers.“Great atmosphere today at T Mobile Park for the Winter Classic. Free Agent LHP James Paxton spotted sitting in the Mariners owner suite”
How would a free agent pitcher from Canada taking in a hockey game get us one of Seattle's pitchers?Love this. I'd love to get one of their young hurlers.
Heh, or it's a two hour drive and he has nothing better to do (which, as a Canadian, starts with watching hockey). But maybe.Not sure this has been posted anywhere but Seattle might be the front runners for Paxton. Makes a lot of sense given their history and his ties to the Pacific Northwest. I guess this would knock Bryan Woo from their rotation.
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“Great atmosphere today at T Mobile Park for the Winter Classic. Free Agent LHP James Paxton spotted sitting in the Mariners owner suite”
I mean, the logic is obvious but I don't really think they would view Paxton as a guy who takes one of your rotation spots completely off the table. I'm with Scottieo2, it allows them to send Woo to AAA and slow the rush to the bigs, at least until they need another guy up.How would a free agent pitcher from Canada taking in a hockey game get us one of Seattle's pitchers?
I don't think it's obvious at all. Taking a flier on Paxton wouldn't compel them to trade anyone off their current staff.I mean, the logic is obvious but I don't really think they would view Paxton as a guy who takes one of your rotation spots completely off the table. If anything, it allows them to send Woo to AAA and slow the rush to the bigs, at least until they need another guy up.
I meant the basic concept, not whether it's a good idea, which I then went on to suggest that it probably wasn't. We are in agreement I think.I don't think it's obvious at all. Taking a flier on Paxton wouldn't compel them to trade anyone off their current staff.
Well, if he's in the Mariner's owner's suite they're talking. If he ends up there it's more likely they'd trade someone off, no?How would a free agent pitcher from Canada taking in a hockey game get us one of Seattle's pitchers?
Hm, Marlowe and Canzone had impressive years in the high minors, but I don't think either of them was ranked very high as prospects. They're both 26. Guess the Ms might decide to see what they have and hope at least one of them pops?Yeah certainly not obvious they would move one of their young pitchers and rely on Paxton to make 30ish starts. On the other hand, they legitimately might have the worst 6-9 hitters in the league in Marlowe, Canzone, Urias, and Rojas.
Because they’re going to bundle DeBrusk, Frederic, and two Bruin firsts for Gilbert?How would a free agent pitcher from Canada taking in a hockey game get us one of Seattle's pitchers?
I'm still hopeful that several someones may be going in a 3 or 4 for 1 deal that brings in a starter.Looks like that puts the roster at 40, before Lucas Giolito comes on board. Someone will have to go.
Wouldn't "they" in this discussion be the Penguins?Because they’re going to bundle DeBrusk, Frederic, and two Bruin firsts for Gilbert?
There's certainly several someones on the 40 who are going to have to be moved anyway.I'm still hopeful that several someones may be going in a 3 or 4 for 1 deal that brings in a starter.
The single, solitary flaw in your scenario is the sheer dearth of Bruins 1sts. Tough to overcome that empty larder.Because they’re going to bundle DeBrusk, Frederic, and two Bruin firsts for Gilbert?
OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUSFree Agent LHP James Paxton spotted sitting in the Mariners owner suite
Of all the dramatic things I've ever read on SOSH...OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS
Ya, this is why the move wouldn't make any sense for them, even if they just send Woo down. I would bet Woo is just as good as Paxton next year, so it only adds depth. That would mean the Mariners have traded from their already weak hitting to save money to sign Paxton as a marginal increase in depth pf an already strong rotation.Yeah certainly not obvious they would move one of their young pitchers and rely on Paxton to make 30ish starts. On the other hand, they legitimately might have the worst 6-9 hitters in the league in Marlowe, Canzone, Urias, and Rojas.
The Boston Red Sox could use either left-hander after shipping Chris Sale to the Atlanta Braves, though they're presently spending more time exploring the trade market and could be active. The San Diego Padres desperately need innings and have shaved their payroll enough by trading away Juan Soto. And while the Baltimore Orioles' $73 million payroll is comically low for a team coming off a 101-win season, the prospect of devoting $25 million-plus a year to one arm remains a longshot, with a trade the likelier outcome.
- Outfielder Teoscar Hernandez: the best bat, non-Bellinger division, left on the market. The Red Sox and Dodgers continue to express interest, though the Angels could make sense. So could a return engagement in Seattle, though the Mariners' payroll constraints are choking what should've been a bountiful winter.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39224330/mlb-free-agency-review-recap-predictionsThat's why Jesus Luzardo's name continues to percolate among teams interested in a starter. The 26-year-old left-hander posted a 3.58 ERA in 178⅔ innings and struck out 208, nearly four times as many batters as he walked. Miami, under new general manager Peter Bendix, is in listening mode on all of its players except wunderkind right-hander Eury Perez. Luzardo is almost certainly the most valuable among them, even more than NL batting champion Luis Arraez, and whether it's the Red Sox, Orioles or either of the New York teams, Luzardo would look mighty good in their rotation for the next three seasons.
Not sure this has been posted anywhere but Seattle might be the front runners for Paxton. Makes a lot of sense given their history and his ties to the Pacific Northwest. I guess this would knock Bryan Woo from their rotation.
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“Great atmosphere today at T Mobile Park for the Winter Classic. Free Agent LHP James Paxton spotted sitting in the Mariners owner suite”
View: https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1742580643513438673Paxton said he hasn’t had any contact with the Mariners this offseason on a FA deal. But said he’d be interested in coming back.
wouldn't break my heart, but if there's any chance of getting 2 of Montgomery, Snell, Burnes, Luzardo, Gilbert, or Castillo I'd be even happier. I'd take Paxton and one of those, but unlike many here, I'm higher on Paxton and Sale in terms of innings. I'm convinced Sale gives ATL 160 IP this year.I wonder if it's possible that we've already agreed to a deal with Paxton, either formally or via handshake, and are waiting to announce after things shake out for 40-man reasons.
Castillo’s an interesting idea. The Mariners have a decent amount of young pitching and he‘s heading into his age 31 season on an extension that’s in its second year if I’m reading right. If they’re looking to cut payroll it could be a good arm on a salary that isn‘t bad at all. I’m inclined to think they’re not super keen on moving him but DiPoto loves to deal and they‘ve made some interesting trades in the past.wouldn't break my heart, but if there's any chance of getting 2 of Montgomery, Snell, Burnes, Luzardo, Gilbert, or Castillo I'd be even happier. I'd take Paxton and one of those, but unlike many here, I'm higher on Paxton and Sale in terms of innings. I'm convinced Sale gives ATL 160 IP this year.