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Yeah I would say this likely takes the Giants out of the SP market, but they did trade a SP in this deal so who knows.
I would think this takes one suitor out of the SP market and 1 suitor out of the Teoscar market, both I think could affect the Sox.
It’s pretty centered around the idea of trading Yoshida and signing Teoscar.
https://theathletic.com/5181832/2024/01/05/teoscar-hernandez-masataka-yoshida-red-sox-moves/?source=user_shared_article
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FWIW becoming a little optimistic on the Sox acquiring both Iamanaga and Hernandez. That plus Giolito and Grissom would make for a good offseason.
Ray doesn't help a whole lot this year. He's out until at least the All Star break. If the Giants needed a starter yesterday, they still need one today.
Right? Exchange of two underwater contracts for next year but then dumping two more years of Ray. Not a bad move, even if Ray rebounds in the next season or so.
I dumped my Glob sub and am paying the Athletic now. I'd rather not prop up PeteAbe and CHB when I could support Rosenthal and Jen McCaffrey.Stealing from the poorly paid people propping up an essential industry that's slowly being strangled to death is cool.
What’s the difference of me doing that or one of the guys in this forum posting all the key quotes from the article into this thread? I think The Athletic will be fine.Stealing from the poorly paid people propping up an essential industry that's slowly being strangled to death is cool.
Maybe Imanaga doesn't like him? Freeing up some cash would be nice if they're not sold on him in LF
The Athletic suggests the Sox are open to trading Yoshida. No mention of Imanaga though.
I'm basing it on the posts above that said the majority of the Athletic article (which i haven't read) spoke about the possibility, in addition to Imanaga definitley signing a deal in the next 6 days. Thats all
Please do us all a favor and post links when you let us know about things like this so we don't have to go searching for the details. It really helps add to the discussion if we have those details.
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So not actively shopping him but would at the right price... Just like with any player
If you want something, pay for it. Otherwise you're a thief. There's not really a ton of grey area here.
And, uhh, no, the Athletic will not be fine. Are you remotely familiar with the financial state of journalism today?
We have people here who earn their living as journalists. It's alright to post a couple of key quotes. It's not okay to tell people how to avoid paying or to post the body of articles.
I'd like to give Yoshida a second year to see if he can improve conditioning etc. to be more of his first half version than the second half.
If push comes to shove, dont' dump him for nothing.
If push comes to shove, dont' dump him for nothing.
I would imagine if Baltimore were looking to acquire pitching with young player capital, it would be for someone with more control given how cheap they are. Cease isn't going to be particularly cheap and if he's good, will be looking for a contract going forward that I can't even imagine that ownership group paying. They have the capital to overwhelm a team looking to move someone more controllable.
The article only says that teams have inquired about Yoshida, but the Sox aren't actively shopping him. That's basically "hey, you never know!" rather than any actual rumor.
Me using a standard feature on every search engine is not thievery. I don’t need to be patronized about morals on a baseball forum. Also I pay for The Athletic, this is just for those who maybe can’t afford to subscribe.
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I really don't think they are contemplating dumping him. They aren't as prone to overreaction as the winter stove conversation would have you believe.
Fair enough... everyone is going stir-crazy this offseason with this glacial pace.
They literally have an offer up right now that is $1.99 per month for the first 12 months. If you are as much of an enthusiast as the majority of us on here, it seems pretty darn affordable.
Remember your ancient history 101?
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That's what Sosh has been doing for over a month, at least. It's kind of cute.
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That's what Sosh has been doing for over a month, at least. It's kind of cute.
Hey here's a link to the actual article:
https://theathletic.com/5181832/2024/01/05/teoscar-hernandez-masataka-yoshida-red-sox-moves/
Here's some quotes:
https://theathletic.com/5181832/2024/01/05/teoscar-hernandez-masataka-yoshida-red-sox-moves/
Here's some quotes:
Let's move on please and get back to discussing vaguely written articles that remind us that almost every player on every team is available at the right price.
My point wasn't that it's not possible for us to sign bigger free agents while not making any Top 10 Most ideal FA Destination lists. Just that the lower your team's face value appeal level comes in within a competive bidding scenario, the more likely it is for a GM to find themselves in a spot where you are forced into paying the tax Texas did there to make that Seager deal actually happen. Which at the time certainly had it's same squeamish surface qualities to it that I would generally expect in any accepted offer we make that ends up trumping their field on Snell this winter.
Theo and DD could walk into what for all intents and purposes amounted to a virtual bidding room containing Minnesota/Texas/Seattle/Arizona/San Diego all willing to pay out close to or at market on a guy...and feel pretty good about the chances that said player ended up liking our market value offer best. That isn't Breslow's reality all all right now. He walks in that same room and a market value offer might place him 6th on the preferance list that said player is giving his agent. In the grander scheme of how the free agent game works and plays out it's really really crappy spot to negotate out of. It's also a factor that imo should be getting more consideration within a lot of the general complaining going on about Henry not spending more money and/or our GMs not signing bigger/better free agents.
I like our chances to both win and negotate out a more team friendly deal even more on Imanaga if that room is really down to the Cubs/Angels/Giants.
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I can read that through my sub to the NYT. The most interesting part, to me, was the Sox sending trainer Kiyoshi Momose to Japan this winter to work with Masa on ways to improve endurance.
It also may help remove the Mariners from the Cease sweepstakes, which they were rumored to be a part of (barring future trades). They've got at least 6 viable SP options: Castillo, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, Miller, deSclafani, with Emerson Hancock waiting in the wings.
BTW, it seems like with 20/20 hindsight the Angels failing to trade Ohtani at the deadline last year was a disaster.
The problem of course is that the Angels were 56-51 on August 1st, only 4.5 games out of the AL West lead and 3 games behind the Blue Jays for the 3rd Wild Card. They were still in it, and it's understandable that they weren't willing to trade Ohtani at this point. But in reality, they collapsed even with him, he walked away for nothing and ended up across town with their rival franchise, and now they're still stuck in purgatory.
In other words any player is available for a certain price. Thats not really news... But some reporters wont like that distinction (that they are not actively shopping him) from continuing to say this proves they are no longer a "big market team" Chris should know better then to stoop to engagement farming like that
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1743370253730508852
Cotillo is on twitter saying this is more evidence of the Sox acting like a small-market team. So I guess people can actually get paid to act like CHB commenters and misinterpreting some words from somewhere to match the thoughts in your head. It's an ancient story of humanity's failings, I know. Or he just doesn't understand "evidence."
Who cares what Chris Cotillo tweets?
The actual news in the Athletic article is that other teams have asked about Yoshida, and that the Red Sox think they have a surplus in the outfield right now and would prefer to make other moves before signing Teoscar. That seems to be new information, if it's true.
Well, I think the key point, one that nobody wants to hear, is that the Sox are looking to reduce payroll before they make any other FA signings. It’s come up in several reports and is usually dismissed as being fake news, but seems like there could be a there there.
Yeah, that’s a good point. Besides the Dodgers, what teams are actually spending this offseason? Most teams aren’t very active so far.
It's not in the Athletic report in question at all. Are you talking about something else?
Yesterday's Newark Star-Ledger (aka NJ.com) has rumors galore so check the full piece that features someone familiar with the Yankees thinking:
The Ray deal the Giants made seems a reaction to the asking prices for starting pitching being off the charts.
It is.
When talking about Teoscar it says that the Red Sox want to trim payroll before acquiring him.
Exact quote “ But according to one person with knowledge of the talks, the Red Sox prefer to tackle other areas of the roster and reduce payroll before committing to the free agent”
The small market approach that Cotillo is banging on about has been hinted at numerous times, but there is never any reporting. At most there are industry sources saying that they hear or think they Sox are acting like a small-market team, but while that is possible, it's more likely an indication of their negotiating strategy or their interest, suggested above, in making space for the purpose of increased flexibility. What we aren't seeing is any reporting that they want to reduce payroll solely for the sake of reducing payroll.
Maybe, but what else would a GM say to an agent in this kind of situation? Totally guessing here, but I don’t think Breslow (or anyone) would say, We’re interested in Teoscar, but we have got to secure a trade for Duran/Yoshida first.
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