One Window Closes, Another Opens: September International Break Thread

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Antony dropped by Brazil because a former partner came forward with physical abuse allegations. Gabriel Jesus gets the call in his place.

And just what United were itching for - a chance to show what they’ve learned from the confused, idiotic handling of Greenwood.
 

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Antony dropped by Brazil because a former partner came forward with physical abuse allegations. Gabriel Jesus gets the call in his place.

And just what United were itching for - a chance to show what they’ve learned from the confused, idiotic handling of Greenwood.
I'm sure they'll handle it with grace and aplomb.
 

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Argentina have named their squad for WCQ home against Ecuador on Thursday and away at Bolivia (!) next Tuesday:

Goalkeepers:
Emiliano Martínez (Aston Villa)
Juan Musso (Udinese)
Walter Benítez (PSV)
Franco Armani (River Plate)

Defenders:
Nahuel Molina (Atletico Madrid)
Germán Pezzella (Real Betis)
Gonzalo Montiel (Nottingham Forest)
Juan Foyth (Villarreal)
Marcos Senesi (Bournemouth)
Lisandro Martínez (Manchester United)
Cristian Romero (Tottenham Hotspur)
Nicolás Tagliafico (Lyon)
Nicolás Otamendi (Benfica)
Facundo Medina (Lens)

Midfielders:
Leandro Paredes (AS Roma)
Rodrigo De Paul (Atletico Madrid)
Guido Rodríguez (Real Betis)
Facundo Buonanotte (Brighton)
Enzo Fernández (Chelsea)
Alexis Mac Allister (Liverpool)
Exequiel Palacios (Bayer Leverkusen)
Thiago Almada (Atlanta United)

Forwards:
Nicolás González (Fiorentina)
Lautaro Martínez (Inter)
Ángel Correa (Atletico Madrid)
Julián Álvarez (Manchester City)
Alejandro Garnacho (Manchester United)
Ángel Di María (Benfica)
Lionel Messi (Inter Miami)
Lucas Beltrán (Fiorentina)

I'm really interested to see if Senesi or Medina get minutes at LCB. Romero is pretty much a lock for the foreseeable future at RCB, but Otamendi has got to be almost past it and while I love Lisandro, they need some depth and have some height in the back. The middle 3 is best with Enzo-RDP-Mac, but we'll see if Palacios, almada, or Buonanotte can push them. Julian and Messi are obvious picks up front, but we'll see who gets the third spot. ADM is off to a good start in Portugal, but they do need to figure out what the best front 3 looks like without him and/or Messi. Nico Gonzalez has been a longtime favorite of Scaloni and he only missed out on the WC due to injury, so I suspect he'll get the first nod. Lautaro and Angelito are great options and will play as well. Don't know much about newcomer Lucas Beltran. I'll also be curious to see if Musso or Benitez get any real time in net.
 

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Argentine midfielders at Brighton are like Hydra’s heads- cut one off and another sprouts in its place
 

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Argentina have named their squad for WCQ home against Ecuador on Thursday and away at Bolivia (!) next Tuesday:
The outfield players are all UEFA-level (mostly UCL) clubs in the Big 5, plus Lyon and Chelsea (big clubs on a down year), a few other EPL clubs (Bournemouth and Forest), and then... "wherever Messi is playing right now, whatever", and... Thiago Almada at Atlanta?! They do know that's not "Atalanta", right? (yes I know he was on the WC roster)

I don't know if it's funnier to see the exceptions in the otherwise killer lineup of clubs these guys play for... or sadder to lament just how far the USA has to go to be on this level (i.e. "we're not a Big 5 country and probably won't be, but we're a major exporter of talent to them").
 

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Feel like guys need to start getting on teammates’ shoulders to increase the wall’s height against Messi. This is too easy.

 

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Argentina eked out a 1-0 win at home against Ecuador yesterday on the back of Messi's ~80th minute FK from just outside the box. It was a terrific no doubter of a goal, and he ran off to celebrate as soon as the ball left his foot.

Otherwise though, Messi had a pretty weak game by his standards. The announcers were talking about how Messi was and looked fatigued as his offseason was unusual by going from a long European club season and straight into competitive matches for Inter Miami. I didn't quite catch if they were saying he wasn't up to match-level fitness or if he didn't have a sufficient break, but regardless of the cause the analysis is accurate.

The bigger story about the match IMO is Scaloni's selection of Lautaro and Nico Gonzalez over Julian Alvarez and Angel Di Maria (and in Gonzalez's case, Almada and Palacios too IMO). Lautaro catches a lot of flak from la hinchada Argentina but I thought he was just a touch below acceptable yesterday. He does have better output for Inter than Argentina, but he's had hot runs for the NT previously. Anyway, he had 1.5 chances yesterday that he should've converted but he was unlucky to hit the post on one of them. He pressed like a madman per usual, and while he didn't look sharp in the first half, he had a much stronger second half. Even if we assume that Scaloni is going to rotate these 4 players, I would've thought that Julian and ADM would've gotten the nod at home. Scaloni either has a weird infatuation with yesterday's starters or he's trying to manage squad chemistry.

In the MF, it was Enzo-Mac-De Paul. RDP is a fucking psycho and he had a pretty great match. His workrate is insane, he leads Argentina's physical play (alongside Romero), and he still can play some decent combos in attack. His touch in the final third isn't elite, but if he's the 6th, 7th, or 8th most important attacker, it's fine. Mac and Enzo seemed to have a pretty fluid positional relationship and while Enzo began the match as the DMF, Mac would drop in occasionally to allow for Enzo to push higher. This got flipped to start the second half, I assume because Enzo is a little better at breaking down defenders off the dribble and plays more key passes. But Enzo was about as poor as I've seen him yesterday. He still had his impeccable control but his combination and final passing were a bit off. Mac had a solid game but he didn't create too many chances for the forwards either. Frankly, I think both of those guys underperforming had more to do with Gonzalez than anything else.

I don't mean to knock the guy too hard, but I've yet to see what Nico Gonzalez does for this team. He's got good output in Serie A for Fiorentina and his defenders always cite his workrate, but I just don't see him breaking down defenses in any way, and he had a couple of half-chances yesterday where he either mistimed, misdirected, or otherwise didn't make/complete a run. In the first half, Argentina had nothing going down the left side, and they missed El Huevo Acuna and Lisandro. That said, I don't think Nico's performance was entirely due to Tagliafico (a fine player but one that doesn't offer much going forward) since when ADM and Julian came on the attack really hit another gear.

On the right side, Molina got the start over Montiel and while I used to think they were very similar players, Molina's showing in the WC during open play was a noticeable notch better. However, he couldn't quite get going yesterday even though he got into good positions. He was mostly combining with RDP and Messi and I honestly do chalk some of his performance to their disjointed effort. That said, Enzo and Mac were also floating around that right half space and Molina didn't exactly shine.

In the middle, Romero had one of the best games I've ever seen from a CB. He bossed everything that came his way, registering 5 tackles won to lead all players, and covered for Molina and the MF while only getting whistled for 1 foul. He also did his usual crazy by getting irate at seemingly random events, although replay showed that chewing out Enner Valencia for diving was justified. Otamendi had a really excellent but weird game. He barely touched the ball, but registered 2 interceptions and a tackle won. Him and Romero held down the back extremely well in a sketchy 5-10 minute stretch in the second half when Argentina was pushing real hard to score. Having confidence in the defense to snuff out stuff like that allows Argentina to push 5, 6, and even 7 players forward against a packed defense. Romero even got forward a couple of times in the second half and created some real chances. I think he's easily a top 3-5 CB in the world ATM.

As I mentioned before, Julian and ADM showed much more threat than Nico and to a lesser extent Lautaro after coming on. Paredes came on and made extremely rash fouls as he does, and got a YC for his play. He's a real liability IMO, but his skillset is too valuable to leave off the squad. Palacios' cameo wasn't noteworthy.

Emi didn't have to do anything, but did register 3 saves.

Props to Ecuador for playing a very organized game. It did render Caicedo pretty toothless, and the only time Ecuador got anything going really was when they played longballs over the top once Argentina really started pushing numbers forward midway through the second half.

I expect a lot of rotation for Tuesday's match at altitude away at Bolivia.

VAMOS VAMOS ARGENTINA! MUCHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!
 

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Messi might look ineffective, but last night he was the difference between 3 points and 1 point. The guy goes from 0 to 60 like a race car, at the few moments when his full effort is actually needed.

Ecuador is a serious contender and strong roster, however, having qualified 2 of the last 3 cycles. On Tuesday though, the Albiceleste play at Bolivia. If ever there were a game to rest Messi and at least not start him, it's one being played at nearly 12,000' above sea level. Also because Bolivia is at the bottom rung of CONMEBOL, finishing second-from-last in each of the last 4 qualifying cycles. The second-stringers should be able to handle them. If you're losing by 1 at minute 60, sure, bring him on, but if I were Scaloni I'd be looking to save him and Di Maria (and probably others) from having to play at an altitude that could literally give them pulmonary embolisms.
 

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Hansi Flick out. Germany definitely under-performed with him, but the talent dip is real.

It will be interesting to see who they hire because it’s not a great job right now - expectations and squad quality are not aligned.
 

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It will be interesting to see who they hire because it’s not a great job right now - expectations and squad quality are not aligned.
A BBC article I read about it said that the shortlist (unofficial, of course) is Nagelsmann, Klopp, Oliver Glasner of Eintract Frankfurt, and Völler himself, but at his age, this seems unlikely.
 

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Too bad we're not going to get some Klinsmann rumors. My feelings about that would be... well, I'm sure the Germans have a word for it.
 

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Germany has plenty of talent, they need a manager who will get the team to play together and play hard. Something is obviously very rotten right now within that group.

Look at Rudiger's reaction to the turnover here.

View: https://twitter.com/TheSecretScout_/status/1700615637956014089


I don't know what's wrong but the most common solution in these scenarios is to move on from the older, highly influential players and put faith in the younger ones. They have a good core of talented young players in Musiala, Wirtz, Moukoko, Schlotterbeck, Havertz to combine with prime age guys like Kimmich, Gnabry, Goretzka, and Sule. The defensive talent could be better but that's more than enough to have a good showing in the Euros if they find a manager that can get the right combination on the pitch and have them playing hard.
 
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Argentina beat Bolivia at altitude in La Paz yesterday, with Enzo opening the scoring, Tagliafico doubling the lead, and Nico Gonzalez netting the third. The game went as you'd likely expect for the first half hour, with Bolivia playing a stodgy defensive game while Argentina looked to unlock them. They finally did with some nifty midfield play that got ADM the ball free on the RW, and he played a sublime low cross that Enzo finished to the far post. Shortly after that, a Bolivian player had a loose touch and received a second yellow, that was converted to a straight red after VAR. ADM added another assist on a FK before half where Bolivia didn't mark anyone, and Tagliafico mishit with his shoulder, but leading to a perfect arcing ball to the near post. The second half was a snooze.

Scaloni only made 2 changes to the previous lineup, bringing on ADM for Messi and Julian for Lautaro. Julian looked much better than Lautaro, and ADM reprised Messi's creative role effectively. The bigger surprise was that Scaloni didn't make his first sub until the 76th minute! Not sure why he would do that in a match at altitude. None of the subs made a big impression, but the entire second half was about killing the game and keeping possession while limiting all risk.

The field was garbage and even the silky Enzo couldn't seem to corral the ball cleanly.

After 2 rounds, Argentina and Brazil are perfect with 6 points each. The table looks weird--Ecuador won their game against Uruguay yesterday but they're still on 0 points on the table. Is this some kind of punishment, or just a typo on ESPN's part?
 

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Ecuador got a 3 point table penalty in WCQ for fielding a player with altered identity documents - even though he was actually eligible and Ecuador had nothing to do with the altering. So they started at -3.
 

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Ecuador got a 3 point table penalty in WCQ for fielding a player with altered identity documents - even though he was actually eligible and Ecuador had nothing to do with the altering. So they started at -3.
It was just the ESPN table, but it also looks like Uruguay got a point from their match yesterday, even though they lost.