Oscar Taveras killed in car accident
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Thinking back to the trade deadline and those pipe dream scenarios of somehow getting Taveras in a Lackey package of some sort.
Horrible news. 22 yrs old. I'm extremely saddened by the fact the world will never get to know his true potential. It's always tragic when any life is cut that short. R.I.P. Oscar.
Truly horrific.
Hug your loved ones as often as possible, never know when you'll not see them again.
Hug your loved ones as often as possible, never know when you'll not see them again.
If the Cardinals had beaten San Francisco he wouldn't have been home tonight and...
no, can't think like that. Just so stunning, though.
no, can't think like that. Just so stunning, though.
Terrible news.
The poor guy hadn't even come close to realizing all that people thought he could do. He hadn't had the chance. Now he won't get it.
The poor guy hadn't even come close to realizing all that people thought he could do. He hadn't had the chance. Now he won't get it.
Supposedly Juan Perez saw the Taverez autopsy photo in the dugout. He's good friends with Oscar, had to compose himself, but still managed to play.
Perez got through an interview in the Giants clubhouse after the game. He didn't break down, but his eyes were red. He said he met Oscar playing winter ball, maybe a couple of seasons. That was the biggest hit of Perez' life, and he made a nice catch in left.Hank Scorpio said:
Apparently Oscar's brother played in the Giants system, which is how Perez initially connected with the family. He overheard someone say that he'd been killed, then went into the clubhouse to see the confirmation. He went to his phone and found 20-30 messages. He reportedly threw his phone away when he got the news, and was weeping in the clubhouse mid-game. That's devastating. I cannot imagine going through that, then coming in and playing baseball and performing so well.
What a horrible, tragic story. Two families of young people have been ripped apart tonight. Awful. RIP, Tavaras.
What a horrible, tragic story. Two families of young people have been ripped apart tonight. Awful. RIP, Tavaras.
So upset...he was so young. Makes me think of how I would feel if my son died. Best to the families. God damn it.
Liked the fact that Ventura honored him on his cap last might. Like that MLB probably won't give him shit for it. The NFL would have fined him.
People tend to bash the Cards over what some see as the holier than thou "Cardinal Way". I think they're a classy organization and will always remember how they opened up Busch Stadium to Red Sox fans as they were about to be swept in the '04 World Series. Many fans traveled to St. Louis without tickets just to be able to say they were there when the Sox broke the curse. Late in the game when it looked likely that the Sox would win, Boston fans were allowed in to witness history and watch their team celebrate on the Cards home field. Very nice tribute to Taveras, well done St. Louis.
He was drunk when he crashed the car
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan · 1m 1 minute ago
Ugh. Oscar Taveras was driving drunk at the time of his fatal crash. Five times legal BAC, which I believe is .05. http://yhoo.it/1zkS3po
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan · 1m 1 minute ago
Ugh. Oscar Taveras was driving drunk at the time of his fatal crash. Five times legal BAC, which I believe is .05. http://yhoo.it/1zkS3po
It's probably the first thought a lot of us had, but I was really hoping this wasn't going to be the case. It makes it worse, somehow.
Really wish I didn't hear this but perhaps now there will be greater scrutiny on road safety. They have what are essentially drive through bars where you can get a rum and sprite, pretty sure no open container laws either...
I'm on edge even when my cousins are driving me around. The roads are so terrible a lot of people I know hire drivers in the DR.
I'm on edge even when my cousins are driving me around. The roads are so terrible a lot of people I know hire drivers in the DR.
Even at the major league minimum for half a season he was filthy rich in the DR. Why do people with all the money in the world insist on driving when they're out drinking? Get a limo and a driver. If that story could have been any sadder, this was how it had to end. What a terrible waste of two lives.
DR apparently has a very low legal limit (most states here are .08)
His BAC was blackout drunk to the point he had no idea what was going on. He was borderline unconscious at the time of the crash (makes you wonder how long the drive was, and how bad he was when he left the bar/party he was at)
http://www.brad21.org/effects_at_specific_bac.html
0.25 BAC: All mental, physical and sensory functions are severely impaired. Increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falls or other accidents.
0.30 BAC: STUPOR. You have little comprehension of where you are. You may pass out suddenly and be difficult to awaken.
His BAC was blackout drunk to the point he had no idea what was going on. He was borderline unconscious at the time of the crash (makes you wonder how long the drive was, and how bad he was when he left the bar/party he was at)
http://www.brad21.org/effects_at_specific_bac.html
0.25 BAC: All mental, physical and sensory functions are severely impaired. Increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falls or other accidents.
0.30 BAC: STUPOR. You have little comprehension of where you are. You may pass out suddenly and be difficult to awaken.
Not that this matters at all, but those are all just general averages. I've seen people you wouldn't even know are intoxicated at .3, and only somewhat drunk seeming at .4. Highest I've seen was .55ish, and she was wasted but mostly oriented and awake. It doesn't change how much of a tragedy this is at all, but he may not have seemed that drunk at the time.
Don't want to turn this into a V&N thread, but no, you haven't seen people in those conditions.dixielandbandana said:
I don't want to fight either, but I have definitely seen those numbers. I'm an ER doctor who trained in a city with a lot of alcoholics, homeless people, and drunk college students. Those are all BACs from blood draws from patients I took care of. Not urban legends, but numbers I actually saw come back from the lab. I totally agree they aren't very common, but not everyone with a .25 is going to be borderline unconscious.
Average Reds said:
DUI videos also support the idea that high BACs don't always manifest in the behavior you see listed on charts. (The oppose is true as well - in some borderline BACs the person comes off as absolutely hammered.) I don't think I've ever seen anything as high as a .5 though.
dixielandbandana said:
I misread your initial post and took it as you saying that your observations were that this sort of tolerance was not uncommon. But you neither said nor implied that - it was just my misinterpretation, and the snark in my response was uncalled for.
I don't doubt that you've seen people with that level of BAC, and there are some cases where people don't seem as drunk as they would appear at that BAC. But those are outliers to the general population, as you've noted here.
This.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Adderall, cocaine, mushrooms... I wonder what else he was doing that evening.