OTAs 2015: We're on to Next Year.

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Media availability, per Reiss:

Wednesday. Traditional photo with top draft pick Malcom Brown (10:30 a.m. ET)

Thursday. Media availability with third-round pick Geneo Grissom and fourth-rounders Trey Flowers, Tre Jackson and Shaq Mason (12:45 p.m. ET)

Friday. Media access to organized team activity (11 a.m.-12:45 p.m. ET)
 

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Section15Box113 said:
Bequette working out a bit at TE, per Reiss.

"Fourth-year player Jake Bequette, a defensive end from 2012-2014, is expanding his workload as a tight end."
Probably doesn't have a better chance sticking there, but it is worth noting he has the athletic profile for it. At 6'5" 274, he ran a 6.90 3-cone and a 4.07 short shuttle, both of which would have been top 3 among TE in 2012 (or anytime in the last five years, for that matter).
 

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Probably doesn't have a better chance sticking there, but it is worth noting he has the athletic profile for it. At 6'5" 274, he ran a 6.90 3-cone and a 4.07 short shuttle, both of which would have been top 3 among TE in 2012 (or anytime in the last five years, for that matter).
I can't imagine the work it would take to be a Troy Brown and work both sides of the ball from a meetings/reps perspective. But for a goal line (Mike Vrabel like) package is it practical/plausible for him to add value as a TE/jump ball specialist?

I've often wondered why a team didn't flood the goal line package with height (in lieu of a heavy package for example), creating mismatches with every receiver on the field 6'-5" or taller and simply throw a tossup to the least covered post player.
 

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I can't imagine the work it would take to be a Troy Brown and work both sides of the ball from a meetings/reps perspective. But for a goal line (Mike Vrabel like) package is it practical/plausible for him to add value as a TE/jump ball specialist?

I've often wondered why a team didn't flood the goal line package with height (in lieu of a heavy package for example), creating mismatches with every receiver on the field 6'-5" or taller and simply throw a tossup to the least covered post player.
Jump balls carry risk, which is why teams run fade patterns to the sideline where only one defender can possibly contest them. Height is definitely an asset, especially in the compressed field near the goal line, but I don't think the strategy you propose would be very effective. There's also a roster construction problem - most teams don't have four or five 6'5" guys with good hands.
 

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Meet the rookies, thanks to Reiss's twitter.  Just catching up with photos from rookie media availability earlier this week.
 
Wednesday:
"Malcom Brown holds up his No. 1 jersey alongside Robert and Jonathan Kraft."

 
 
 
Wednesday:
"Up close with Patriots top pick Malcom Brown."

 
Thursday:
"Interior OL Shaq Mason, 4th round pick of Patriots, meets the media."

 
 
Thursday:
"DE/OLB Geneo Grissom, 3rd round pick of Patriots, meets the media."

 
 
Thursday:
"Guard Tre' Jackson, 4th round pick of Patriots, says he is roommates with Shaq Mason."

 
 
Thursday:
"DE Trey Flowers, 4th-round pick of Patriots, notes that "do your job" is written on front door of facility."
 

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Is some equipment guy going to lose his job because Shaq Mason was issued a shirt with the old wordmark?  :blink: :lol:
 
(All I know is that Paul Lukas would be losing his mind.)
 
 
 
 
Edit: Appears Geneo has one too.  Guess we gotta use up the old ones before ordering the new batch.
 

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Noted elsewhere, but Jordan Richards is not attending since Stanford classes are not done.  No surprise.
 
 
New England Patriots rookie safety Jordan Richards, the team's second-round draft choice out of Stanford, is not with the club for organized team activities because of the NFL rule that prohibits players from joining teams until their school's academic calendar has concluded.
 

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Super Nomario said:
Jump balls carry risk, which is why teams run fade patterns to the sideline where only one defender can possibly contest them. Height is definitely an asset, especially in the compressed field near the goal line, but I don't think the strategy you propose would be very effective. There's also a roster construction problem - most teams don't have four or five 6'5" guys with good hands.
Tossup was a poor word choice on my part, but I take your point. Thanks for the reply.
 

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From Reiss' blog.
 
A few other jersey numbers (since that photo is hard to read):
 
14 -- WR Chris Harper
15 -- WR Zach D'Orazio
28 -- CB Daryl Roberts
33 -- CB Eric Patterson
35 -- CB Jimmy Jean
36 -- S Brandon King
37 -- S Jordan Richards
41 -- LB Dekoda Watson
42 -- OLB Xzavier Dickson
44 -- LB Matthew Wells
45 -- LB Dane Fletcher
48 -- OLB Geneo Grissom
49 -- LS Joe Cardona
55 -- LB Brandon Spikes
60 -- C David Andrews
63 -- G Tre Jackson
64 -- DT Vince Taylor
69 -- G Shaq Mason
70 -- OLB Rufus Johnson
72 -- OL Kevin Hughes
74 -- DE Trey Flowers
83 -- TE Fred Davis
86 -- TE AJ Derby
 
Since Tre Jackson is 63, a little disappointed that Trey Flowers isn't 93.



Edit: needed more coffee.
 

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Bill Belichick on if Deflategate has taken away any enjoyment from SB win: "That’s a long time ago. We’re on to next year. It’s 2015."
 

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Bill Belichick on if Deflategate has taken away any enjoyment from SB win: "That’s a long time ago. We’re on to next year. It’s 2015."
He should have said, "It did take away enjoyment of the Super Bowl, but that helped because I was going to take it away anyway."
 

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Man, "we're on to next year" is probably my favorite Belichick troll job ever. That's a long time ago lololol.
 

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Man, "we're on to next year" is probably my favorite Belichick troll job ever. That's a long time ago lololol.
 
The players all seem to have gotten a different line: "Just trying to get better every day".
 
I just love this team. "Laser focus" gives too much credit to lasers.
 

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Maybe make his uniform out of that material that changes colors with Temperature changes...
 
Serious question.....how do they decide (dictate) who attends OTAs?  Is it expected that the entire team show?  It it only rookies and newbies are expected.....but "respected leaders" also usually show?
 
Whats the normal situation.
 

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They are not required to show, but are expected to absent a decent excuse. Some draftees are prevented from participating by academic requirements. There was a firestorm here last week because DeSean Jackson didn't post, preferring to hang with Lebron, probably to provide content for his reality tv show on BET.
 

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That might be more DeSean being a controversy magnet though. Veterans often skip OTAs without any media firestorm - in a recent interview Chris Canty didn't even know when OTAs were this year, Troy Polamalu used to skip OTAs regularly, etc.
 
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Official OTA roster:
 
Whoa, Gostkowski has been here 10 years?  Christ does the time fly by.  And Vinatieri is still doing his thing nearly as well as ever.
 
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RGIII snippet from the above article:

"What you do learn from watching (Brady) and then watching the Patriots organization you get a big-picture look at it," Griffin said, via NFL.com. "Man, honestly, they operate like a high school football team. You remember in high school, how the coach calls everybody up, everybody runs up, gets on a knee and looks at the coach like what he is saying is the most important thing in the world? Thats how the Patriots are."
 

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Bradley Fletcher lives!!!!! Keep it up, Jimmy G!
FO recently had a note that, despite his struggles, Fletcher was actually above-average last year once you controlled for quality of opponent: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/four-downs/2015/four-downs-afc-east-0
That's consistent with what I found looking at his worst plays in 2014 - he got torched a lot by really good receivers.
 
The problem, of course, is that none of the other players figure to be able to cover top wideouts, either.
 

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IIRC from what I watched, he's probably not going to be put in the same positions given the Pats defensive philosophy as he got beat without help mostly.
 
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File this under SSS and wayyyyyyy too early to tell, but I'd rather be reading stuff like this than NOT:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2015/06/logan_ryan_emerging_after_another_strong_practice

"Logan Ryan should be viewed as a favorite to start at cornerback in 2015 as the top-rated survivor of the Patriots' offseason purge at the position, and he played well enough today in practice to instill some good vibes.

"Ryan broke up three passes and was constantly around the ball during the OTA session at Gillette Stadium, and he has been the team's No. 1 corner at camp over the past couple weeks."

Edit: Linky goodness
 

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To be honest, I've been surprised by how little people have talked about Logan Ryan. Butler had one of the greatest plays in NFL history and an incredible Super Bowl 4th quarter, but Ryan has played a fair amount for the last 2 seasons.

I'm not excited about him being our #1 CB, but, well, it is what it is.
 

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To be honest, I've been surprised by how little people have talked about Logan Ryan. Butler had one of the greatest plays in NFL history and an incredible Super Bowl 4th quarter, but Ryan has played a fair amount for the last 2 seasons.

I'm not excited about him being our #1 CB, but, well, it is what it is.
Between the draft and the signing of Sheard, it looks like the Pats are going with a young defensive backfield and a monster pass rush. This tweet surprised me, obviously Collins and Hightower are beasts: Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF  16h
16 hours ago
Patriots had a staggering 66 QB pressures from the inside linebacker position. The Texans were next best with 41.
 

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To be honest, I've been surprised by how little people have talked about Logan Ryan. Butler had one of the greatest plays in NFL history and an incredible Super Bowl 4th quarter, but Ryan has played a fair amount for the last 2 seasons.

I'm not excited about him being our #1 CB, but, well, it is what it is.
 
Ryan is better in zone. Almost all the guys they brought in this off-season are better in zone. Almost all CBs are better in zone - seeing the field is easier than playing with your back to the QB. 
 
Ryan's ball skills do excite me. If the pass rush forces poor throws, he can make plays. The security blanket of McCourty & Harmon deep - both guys with good or better ball skills - suggests that "bend, don't break" and ballhawking is back, and back big. 

If the rush can force early throws, the secondary will make plays. If there's six seconds to survey the field, this secondary will look terrible. 
 
ETA: That they've worked out Ryan at safety a bit allows for lots of complex combos with McCourty, who can slide up to CB. 
 

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They are adding a new CB today ... one this poster has a particular bias for.
 

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Ryan is better in zone. Almost all the guys they brought in this off-season are better in zone. Almost all CBs are better in zone - seeing the field is easier than playing with your back to the QB. 
 
Ryan's ball skills do excite me. If the pass rush forces poor throws, he can make plays. The security blanket of McCourty & Harmon deep - both guys with good or better ball skills - suggests that "bend, don't break" and ballhawking is back, and back big. 
I've been debating responding to this because I don't want to steal from future ITP pieces, but I think you're right that we'll see more zone in 2015. Of course, some situations are going to dictate man coverage - teams probably run man-to-man 99% of the time on 3rd-and-6+, regardless of what their base defense is.
 
In general, zone requires less physical skill than man (pointing to your "almost all CBs are better in zone" statement) but there are more rules and awareness required. Man-to-man requires more physical skill but is more straightforward conceptually, which is why the Pats have had success throwing guys like Talib and Browner in with limited system experience. It's also worth noting that there are different kinds of zone defenses that require different skills - a Cover 2 corner has to be a strong run defender but doesn't need much deep speed, while a Cover 3 corner has to run well enough to defend the deep ball but doesn't have as many run responsibilities. And zone defenses can ultimately get complex and require a lot of man-to-mannish skills - Nick Saban is a big proponent of pattern matching, where zone defenders anticipate and react to the receivers' formations and routes and pick them up accordingly in tight coverage similar to man defense (and sometimes with turning their backs to the QB).
 
soxfan121 said:
If the rush can force early throws, the secondary will make plays. If there's six seconds to survey the field, this secondary will look terrible. 
Hell, this was true of the pass defense last year when they had one of the most stacked secondaries in the league.
 
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 ETA: That they've worked out Ryan at safety a bit allows for lots of complex combos with McCourty, who can slide up to CB.
There's a great example of this in the Minnesota game last year that I wrote up for ITP. Ryan's man (Cordarelle Patterson) goes in motion, and instead of trying to follow him across the formation, Ryan drops to FS with McCourty moving down from safety to pick up Patterson on the other side:
 
 

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Yes, Derek Cox.  He will be on the field today.
 
I'm going to assume the answer is a firm no (for obvious reasons), but if we ask really really nicely do we have a shot at getting an insiders view into what negotiations/this process with the Patriots was like?
:)
 

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From Reiss' blog.
 
A few other jersey numbers (since that photo is hard to read):
 
14 -- WR Chris Harper
15 -- WR Zach D'Orazio
28 -- CB Daryl Roberts
33 -- CB Eric Patterson
35 -- CB Jimmy Jean
36 -- S Brandon King
37 -- S Jordan Richards
41 -- LB Dekoda Watson
42 -- OLB Xzavier Dickson
44 -- LB Matthew Wells
45 -- LB Dane Fletcher
48 -- OLB Geneo Grissom
49 -- LS Joe Cardona
55 -- LB Brandon Spikes
60 -- C David Andrews
63 -- G Tre Jackson
64 -- DT Vince Taylor
69 -- G Shaq Mason
70 -- OLB Rufus Johnson
72 -- OL Kevin Hughes
74 -- DE Trey Flowers
83 -- TE Fred Davis
86 -- TE AJ Derby
 
Since Tre Jackson is 63, a little disappointed that Trey Flowers isn't 93.



Edit: needed more coffee.
#55 is available again.
 

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I'm going to assume the answer is a firm no (for obvious reasons), but if we ask really really nicely do we have a shot at getting an insiders view into what negotiations/this process with the Patriots was like?
:)
I could say the process involved all kinds of interesting/complicated events, but I'd be lying.*  The Patriots decided to bring in a few DB's for a workout last week and Derek was one of those players.  Once he handled the hard part (impressing them with his workout), all I had to do was work out the logistics and get a contract done.
 
* Its interesting and important to me, because it involves my client - I'm suggesting it is probably not independently interesting to anyone else.
 

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A nice reminder on just how young the Pats are
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4782057/comparing-patriots-and-colts-with-age-on-their-rosters
 

As of Tuesday morning, the team has just six players in the 30-year-old club.
QB Tom Brady -- 37
DE Rob Ninkovich -- 31
K Stephen Gostkowski --31
OT Sebastian Vollmer -- 30
DL Antonio Johnson -- 30
DT Alan Branch -- 30
Of the group, Johnson is a longshot for a roster spot, which would lower the number of 30-year-old players to five. But it's also notable that the Patriots have a seven-player core of 29-year-olds knocking on the door, a group including receivers Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola; linebacker Jerod Mayo; tight end Scott Chandler; special teams captain Matthew Slater; and center/guard Ryan Wendell.
 
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...And Vollmer doesn't really count, because he didn't start playing the game until age 14, didn't start college in the US until age 20, and didn't start in the NFL until age 25, so his odometer is a lot lower.