Puffy said:
This is where I'm at as well. I don't see how he fits in the "plan."
Maybe because we don't have the plan. The FO does.
Puffy said:
This is where I'm at as well. I don't see how he fits in the "plan."
In September when they're mathematically eliminated Cespedes is going to fill fenway. Only thing that matters to fans is WINNINGOrange Julia said:
I think you're wrong to suggest that the Front Office is an island and somehow doesn't consult with other business areas of Baseball. There's no way that someone from Marketing isn't in on some of this, at least some of the time. Baseball is a biz like anything else and if the Market Basket clusterpuff doesn't tell you that customers pay attention and matter, then I am not sure what to tell you.
I envision him trying to convince them that they're really not hungry, they don't need the food and they'd benefit from letting him take it off their hands for these single-serve condiments laying around his dish, ala the infamous Omar conversations.catomatic said:Dining with Billy Beane must be an uncomfortable prospect for Ben and Theo. The man never stops staring at their food.
Lucky kids in NicaraguaCarmen Fanzone said:Saturday is "Cespedes T-shirt Day" in Oakland.
jschip1 said:I imagine the FO is in go-for-it mode next year and Cespedes is going to be awesome. I'm getting more and more excited as I think about.
Yup. Sox might well find themselves in the same position next year as they were with Lester this year. So 4/72 would essentially be the new 4/70.Savin Hillbilly said:
Given the fact that he's just been traded to a much better hitter's park, I would suspect his agent will tell him to wait because his numbers will look better after next year.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:Holt
Vic/Betts
Pedey
Ortiz
Napoli
Cespedes
Middlebrooks
Bogaerts
Vaz
JBJ
That's a hell of a lineup
Not in the majorsMugsys Jock said:Has Yoenis every played RF? His arm would sure play well there.
I loved the trade when I thought we could offer him arb. Just having 2015 feels a little light. No knock on Cespedes' talent and projectability vs. some rookie though.
I know it isn't likely to happen and I'm trying not to get my hopes up but I feel really good about our chances of getting Jon back in FA.yecul said:Barring some sort of flip, which I do not expect, this is the front office saying that this is a bump in the road and not a downturn/rebuild situation. They are keeping Uehara. Lackey may not be moved. Heck, maybe they resign Miller -- though he's probably gone. They have invested in the short term.
IMO what this means is that Lester will be signed this offseason. Either that or another investment in the SP market, but Lester makes the most sense since they are familiar with his medical history and the like. No surprises.
The elite prospect rumors also bear this out. Sure they would take an elite prospect or two and figure out the 2015 team later, but that was never on the table. So they took this alternative.
...and then he takes a few bites and flips what's left for a couple fistfuls of single-serve condiments.Fred in Lynn said:I envision him trying to convince them that they're really not hungry, they don't need the food and they'd benefit from letting him take it off their hands for these single-serve condiments laying around his dish, ala the infamous Omar conversations.
That's what makes it so awesome.Puffy said:
That's a 10-man lineup (and where's Nava?)
This is not accurate to my understanding at least.Puffy said:
No idea at this point. I'm just lukewarm on Cespedes as a player, I guess. Particularly with only 1 more year of control.
Drek717 said:This is not accurate to my understanding at least.
Cespedes only has 3 years of service time at the end of 2014. He's signed through 2015. He'll be arb. eligible for 2016 and 2017. If the Sox want to extend him they'll have plenty of leverage this off-season.
Cespedes is a fantastic fit in Fenway. He isn't capable of really playing CF in anything but an emergency, but he has been a positive LF in Oakland for the last two years, that is a big outfield to range over. I could definitely see him capable of handling Fenway's RF, and if instead he plays LF his arm will make turning for two on a sharp wall ball real questionable.
She's gone. Daddy tried to bore you with a sermon.BornToRun said:I know it isn't likely to happen and I'm trying not to get my hopes up but I feel really good about our chances of getting Jon back in FA.
Puffy said:That's a 10-man lineup (and where's Nava?)
Woops. I don't know who to take out... Holt I guess?rodderick said:Yup, they should score a lot more runs with a 10 men lineup.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:Holt
Vic/Betts
Pedey
Ortiz
Napoli
Cespedes
Middlebrooks
Bogaerts
Vaz
JBJ
That's a hell of a lineup
Holt's playing rover and Nava's your 4th OF and PH.Puffy said:
That's a 10-man lineup (and where's Nava?)
I think this satisfies Ortiz's reasonable desire for a big bat in the lineupJimD said:Hopefully Papi can snag another ticket to Jamaica for Cespedes.
benhogan said:Cespedes to LF is a weapon. Keeping all wall balls to singles, stopping all potential sac flys to LF and keeping runners on 2nd from scoring on singles to LF.
RH power bat batting 6th helps lengthen the line up.
If Fenway enhances his stat line over the last 2 months, consider extending him this off-season
My point is that if they really cared about what the fans thought, they probably would've extended Lester by now instead of flipping him to Oakland. I think it's pretty clear that these guys care more about building a winning team than making moves to placate the fanbase. Just my take, my apologies if I expressed it a little bluntly.Orange Julia said:
I think you're wrong to suggest that the Front Office is an island and somehow doesn't consult with other business areas of Baseball. There's no way that someone from Marketing isn't in on some of this, at least some of the time. Baseball is a biz like anything else and if the Market Basket clusterpuff doesn't tell you that customers pay attention and matter, then I am not sure what to tell you.
Yes. This metaphor could be extended—clumsily and with much delight—for days.Fred in Lynn said:I envision him trying to convince them that they're really not hungry, they don't need the food and they'd benefit from letting him take it off their hands for these single-serve condiments laying around his dish, ala the infamous Omar conversations.
The Red Sox traded 2 MONTHS of LesterHarry Hooper said:Ben made the best deal he could, but I can't do cartwheels over this trip back to the future. Trading a top pitcher for a putative bopper is a formula repeatedly tried and found lacking by the Red Sox since Fenway was built.
Lester for the new Rob Deer is indeed meh. Hopefully Cespedes is the exception and puts up a 2015 akin to Esasky's one year in Boston.
Harry Hooper said:Ben made the best deal he could, but I can't do cartwheels over this trip back to the future. Trading a top pitcher for a putative bopper is a formula repeatedly tried and found lacking by the Red Sox since Fenway was built.
Lester for the new Rob Deer is indeed meh. Hopefully Cespedes is the exception and puts up a 2015 akin to Esasky's one year in Boston.
Not only that but I can't see too many runners on 3rd taking a chance on that arm with less than 2 down on a fly to left.EdRalphRomero said:Is an elite arm really wasted in Fenway's LF? There is less ground to cover (meaning range is wasted) and the throws are certainly shorter. However, we have all seen wallballs turned into singles or outs frequently. Does the frequency of that opportunity equate to the decreased need to make long throws to the plate?
Sox would probably extend Cespedes and then pick up some of that salary as part of the deal for Stanton. Would be a big cash outlay considering the size of the Stanton extension, but could make the argument that it would be defrayed by the savings on the prospects they didn't have to include in the deal (due to Cespedes) becoming cost controlled guys on the active roster.TheDeuce222 said:A ton of people have now made this suggestion that Cespedes could be flipped as part of a package for Stanton. Can someone please explain to me why super-cheap Miami would want to this offseason or next deadline take back a guy making 10.5 million who will be a FA after 2015 and in line for a 6-year/120M type contract? Total shot in the dark on the estimate, but it just makes no sense. They would much rather get prospects or guys under control for a lot longer than 1 year if they do trade Stanton, who is under control until 2017.
rembrat said:
The wall takes care of keeping wall balls to singles unless they are towering shots or placed in LF-CF then even Cespedes' arm won't be a factor.
The worst case scenario won't happen every year. Pedey, X, the entire OF, 3B, and C should all see at the very least slight offensive improvement.PhilPlantier said:I like your glass-half-full approach, because I see:
1. Due for regression
2. DL/Adjusting to league
3. Likely to improve, but not to previous levels
4. Stet
5. Stet
6. Low OBP
7. Wishful thinking
8. Nowhere to go but up
9. No complaints
10. Expectations so low, I'd settle for a .680 OPS
Other than modest hope for Pedroia and Bogaerts, I can't get excited for 2015 based on the lineup you posted.
Do we know he plays the caroms well?Savin Hillbilly said:
Are you serious? You haven't noticed how many close plays there are at second base on Wall balls in a given season? And how much difference a LF who plays the caroms well and has a quick release and an accurate arm can make on those plays?
If Lester comes back then this trade is a bona fide no brainer incredible deal. That's a huge if, of course.rembrat said:I'm sorta of not feeling the trade but I like what yecul has been proposing. If Lester does return in the offseason, I can view this trade in a far more positive light but until then... meh.
Savin Hillbilly said:
Are you serious? You haven't noticed how many close plays there are at second base on Wall balls in a given season? And how much difference a LF who plays the caroms well and has a quick release and an accurate arm can make on those plays?
It could very conceivably be the epilogue to the Stanton process—they sounded Miami out thoroughly on his availability and are now convinced they will never get the crack at him they wanted. So here's Stanton-Lite.OnWisc said:Sox would probably extend Cespedes and then pick up some of that salary as part of the deal for Stanton. Would be a big cash outlay considering the size of the Stanton extension, but could make the argument that it would be defrayed by the savings on the prospects they didn't have to include in the deal (due to Cespedes) becoming cost controlled guys on the active roster.
Don't really think this is step 1 in a Stanton process however.
Savin Hillbilly said:
Are you serious? You haven't noticed how many close plays there are at second base on Wall balls in a given season? And how much difference a LF who plays the caroms well and has a quick release and an accurate arm can make on those plays?
Of course, you're the only one around here referring to it as the Gomes trade.rembrat said:
The wall takes care of keeping wall balls to singles unless they are towering shots or placed in LF-CF then even Cespedes' arm won't be a factor.
I'm sorta of not feeling the trade but I like what yecul has been proposing. If Lester does return in the offseason, I can view this trade in a far more positive light but until then... meh.
P'tucket said:Of course, you're the only one around here referring to it as the Gomes trade.
tims4wins said:
Seriously, Manny had like a dozen assists one year. Manny!
genivive said:The Red Sox traded 2 MONTHS of Lester
Eees joke.rembrat said:
Find me the post where I did this. I'll wait but if this is a joke post then cool.
joe dokes said:
When has this FO *not* been in go-for-it-mode?
There are no guarantees, no mater what "mode" there is. Sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't and you make moves. Not to pick on this post, but "going for it" is not part of some zero-sum game.