Patriots Select CB Logan Ryan at #83
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So I know it's very early and that we hardly know anything and yada yada yada. And I know BB is a classic best-player-available type.
Having said that, is this the final confirmation that McCourty will stay at S?
Having said that, is this the final confirmation that McCourty will stay at S?
This seems due for a bump. Ryan has made some big plays the last few weeks, emerging as an integral part of a battered defense. While they should be taken with more than a few grains of salt, some of the advanced stats from PFF are simply off the charts.
Passer Rating Against (CBs with a minimum 50% of snaps played)
1. Richard Sherman, 52.2
2. Logan Ryan, 52.8
3. Alterraun Verner, 54.7
4. Nolan Carroll, 61.6
5. Darrelle Revis, 61.8
6. Brent Grimes, 65.2
Coverage Snaps per Completions Allowed
1. Sherman, 17.5
2. Revis, 17.4
3. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, 15
4. Verner, 14.9
5. Patrick Peterson, 13.9
6. Keenan Allen, 13.7
7. Logan Ryan, 13.6
Ryan obviously isn't an elite CB like some of those guys, he has certainly benefited from Talib nearly always drawing the other team's top WR, and the sample is relatively small. But those are encouraging numbers and impressive company anyway you spin them. I think at the very least the play of Ryan will give BB a strong fallback option when it comes to the off-season and dealing with Talib. Score another for the Rutgers connection.
Passer Rating Against (CBs with a minimum 50% of snaps played)
1. Richard Sherman, 52.2
2. Logan Ryan, 52.8
3. Alterraun Verner, 54.7
4. Nolan Carroll, 61.6
5. Darrelle Revis, 61.8
6. Brent Grimes, 65.2
Coverage Snaps per Completions Allowed
1. Sherman, 17.5
2. Revis, 17.4
3. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, 15
4. Verner, 14.9
5. Patrick Peterson, 13.9
6. Keenan Allen, 13.7
7. Logan Ryan, 13.6
Ryan obviously isn't an elite CB like some of those guys, he has certainly benefited from Talib nearly always drawing the other team's top WR, and the sample is relatively small. But those are encouraging numbers and impressive company anyway you spin them. I think at the very least the play of Ryan will give BB a strong fallback option when it comes to the off-season and dealing with Talib. Score another for the Rutgers connection.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
OT: Man, Keenan Allen really is a stud. Alterraun Verner is going to get PAID this offseason.
Without looking at all the interceptions it's unfair to say it for sure, but I think Ryan's Rating Against benefits from a gift interception or two. He certainly hasn't imposed his will like Sherman. Coverage Snaps per reception is probably subjected to less variance.
Also it's nice to see Dennard and Talib 15th and 17th respectively on that list.
phragle said:
Being the one to pay him would be a better long term use of cap space than paying Talib would be, even if Verner costs more because of Talib's injury history. Talib's been great but his hip/hamstring is a problem that's not going to get better as he ages.
Ryan played 71 of 73 snaps @BAL, one more than Talib and 66 more than Dennard (still banged up/recovering?). Assuming Dennard serves his time quietly and never returns to Nebraska, does a Dennard-Ryan-Arrington- UDFA ROOKIE-Cole depth chart seem probable to anyone else? After so many years of devoting money and draft resources to the position, there is finally the potential for long term stability.
Ryan seems to get his head around and is certainly athletic enough to make plays; the two INTs pad the stat sheet but it was the one-handed swat pass deflection that was the most impressive singular play. He was in zone, Pitta was crossing in underneath him but Ryan read Flacco trying for more than the sticks (and the WR -Smith?-) behind him, dropped a bit deeper, and made the play on the ball to keep the Ravens from converting.
soxfan121 said:
In the Denver game, after picking off Manning, one of the announcers said that one thing BB has said about Ryan is that he identifies where the throw is very quickly--because he gets his head around so quickly, he can make a lot of plays on the ball.
phragle said:
Yup, rating against is very sensitive to INTs, which are kind of flukey.
I was looking at stats this morning and found another interesting one that speaks pretty highly of him. You have to piece it together from multiple data sources but looking at Passes Defensed (including INTs) per Target is a fairly good way to examine ball skills and tightness of coverage. You look at that data and most top tier corners get their hands on between 20-25% of targets (including Talib, Webb, Haden, Joseph, Grimes, Revis, Peterson, Boykin). Ryan is at 31%, with only Sherman (an absurd 40%) and Verner (36%) higher that I can find.
I want to see him do it on a regular basis matched up against top WRs but we could have a pretty damn good player on our hands.
Talib brings special size to the position you don't get with these other guys. Alfonzo Dennard has been great, and he plays bigger than his size, but at 5'10" he's giving up a lot of height to Andre Johnson or Julio Jones (6'3"), much less Jimmy Graham (6'7"). Talib is 6'1"-6'2", which lets him compete with these guys on a regular basis. Verner, for what it's worth, is 5'10". Certainly teams (including the Patriots in the past) have fielded successful secondaries with shorter corners, but we've seen this year that a big guy provides more options.soxfan121 said:
The other thing is that even if Dennard / Ryan / Arrington is an adequate top three, DBs seem to get hurt a lot. That's going to see UDFA ROOKIE #4 CB playing a lot. Look at Ryan this year, the nominal fourth corner - he's played 48% of defensive snaps. A fourth corner is like a fourth OF or a sixth SP; it's a bench role, but it's a big bench role.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
That makes sense. Ball skills seem to be his best quality.
Super Nomario said:
Verner is also usually on the second best WR with Jason McCourty on the best WR. But he's good and young so I think he'll get paid whether it's by the franchise tag or a FA contract.