Pats Mock Central

RedOctober3829 · Apr 29, 2015

bakahump said:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts
Pats choose (6 Analysts)
L. Tomlinson (OL)
Devin Smith (WR)
Trade with TB
Landon Collins (S)
Cam Erving (OL)
Preston Smith (DL)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft
(4 Analysts)
Cam Erving (OL)
L. Tomlinson (OL)
L. Tomlinson (OL)
Eric Rowe (CB)

http://walterfootball.com/draft2015.php
Eddie Goldman (DT)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2437261-2015-nfl-mock-draft-mike-taniers-round-1-picks
(Analyst Mike Tanier)
Jalen Collins (CB)

http://www.drafttek.com/2015-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1b.asp
Arik Armstead (DL)

http://nfldraftgeek.com/2015mocknfldraft.html
L Tomlinson (OL)

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/27/8499435/2015-nfl-mock-draft-jameis-winston-marcus-mariota
Eddie Goldman (DT)

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/28/peter-king-2015-nfl-mock-draft/
(Peter King)
Shane Ray (LB/DE)

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2015/
Sammy Coates (WR)

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/nfl-mock-draft-2015-1.9941066
Cam Erving (OL)

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-C.php
Byron Jones (CB)

http://draftseason.com/2015-nfl-mock-draft/onbars-round-1-continued/
Byron Jones (CB)
http://www.nflyostmock.com/
Eddie Goldman (DL)

http://www.thesportsbank.net/nfl-mock-drafts/2015-nfl-mock-draft-4-28-15/
Eli Harold (DL/OLB)

http://newnfldraft.com/john-es-2015-nfl-mock-draft-21-32/
Jordan Phillips (DT)

http://www.nothinbutjets.com/mock-drafts.html
Byron Jones (CB)

http://withthefirstpick.com/2015/04/28/nfl-mock-draft-2015-fansided-nfl-editors-make-their-pick/33/
Jordan Phillips (DT)

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/04/27/2015-nfl-mock-draft-jameis-winston-tennessee-titan/33/
Sammy Coates (WR)

http://newnfldraft.com/tylers-2015-nfl-mock-draft-21-32/
Nelson Agholor (WR)

http://www.nfldraftdays.com/james-lee-mock-draft.html
Jordan Phillips (DT)

http://breakingfootball.com/2015-nfl-mock-draft-keet-baileys-final-edition/
Byron Jones (CB)

http://www.cornerblitz.com/2015/Mocks/Final/Default.aspx
Nelson Agholor (WR)

http://sportsmasher.com/2015/04/27/2015-nfl-mock-draft-7-rounds-by-icandraftbetter/
Jordan Phillips

http://thejetpress.com/2015/04/27/2015-nfl-mock-draft-new-york-jets-go-offensive-line-and-pass-rusher/4/
Carl Davis (DT)

http://footballfanspot.com/2015-nfl-mock-draft
Marcus Peters (CB)

Thats the first 20 or so (incl most recent) from this site.

http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm

Cool but http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/88197-mock-draft-catch-all/

Super Nomario · Apr 29, 2015

I don't get the Laken Tomlinson projection. They haven't used a pick earlier than the fourth round on a pure interior lineman (Mankins was a college tackle) and Tomlinson has only played RG. They tend to like smaller, quicker guys on the interior who are versatile - can pull, or zone block - and Tomlinson's pretty much a pure power guy. He checks the intelligence and power boxes for sure; I'd just be surprised if they used a first-rounder on an OL that doesn't have scheme or position versatility.

RedOctober3829 · Apr 29, 2015

Super Nomario said:
I don't get the Laken Tomlinson projection. They haven't used a pick earlier than the fourth round on a pure interior lineman (Mankins was a college tackle) and Tomlinson has only played RG. They tend to like smaller, quicker guys on the interior who are versatile - can pull, or zone block - and Tomlinson's pretty much a pure power guy. He checks the intelligence and power boxes for sure; I'd just be surprised if they used a first-rounder on an OL that doesn't have scheme or position versatility.

I agree Nomario. If they were to take an OL in the 1st round my money would be on Jake Fisher from Oregon.

Shelterdog · Apr 29, 2015

Super Nomario said:
I don't get the Laken Tomlinson projection. They haven't used a pick earlier than the fourth round on a pure interior lineman (Mankins was a college tackle) and Tomlinson has only played RG. They tend to like smaller, quicker guys on the interior who are versatile - can pull, or zone block - and Tomlinson's pretty much a pure power guy. He checks the intelligence and power boxes for sure; I'd just be surprised if they used a first-rounder on an OL that doesn't have scheme or position versatility.

I think most draftniks are selecting him because of the intelligence/4 year starter/Pats guy/pats need interior line help and he's projected to go in the ballpark of where the Pats are picking.

I personally think they take a 320 lb plus guard based on my suspicion that the team is undergoing a philosophical change of sorts and wants to have a big interior line. They clearly wanted to go from Wendell to a bigger center in Stork rather than try and upgrade elsewhere and they tried hard (with Cannon, Devey and Flemming) to play bigger guys at one guard spot replacing Mankins before settling on Wendell.

EDIT: I freely admit I could just be totally wrong.

ElcaballitoMVP · Apr 29, 2015

I just don't see the value in taking an OG like Tomlinson in round 1. If he's there in round 2? Sure.

If the Pats were to take a guard in round 1, I'd prefer an OT who can come in and start at G with the upside of developing into an eventual starter at T. Guys like Scherff, Collins, Clemmings, Flowers, Donovan Smith, Jeremiah Poutasi, etc fit the mold. There are also other guards who should be available in rounds 2-4 that could be early starters: Marpet, Cann, T. Jackson, J. Douglas, J. Miller, etc.

I trust the Pats to be able to find someone in the mid-late rounds for the interior line, like they did last year with Stork.

Super Nomario · Apr 29, 2015

ElcaballitoMVP said:
I just don't see the value in taking an OG like Tomlinson in round 1. If he's there in round 2? Sure.

If the Pats were to take a guard in round 1, I'd prefer an OT who can come in and start at G with the upside of developing into an eventual starter at T. Guys like Scherff, Collins, Clemmings, Flowers, Donovan Smith, Jeremiah Poutasi, etc fit the mold. There are also other guards who should be available in rounds 2-4 that could be early starters: Marpet, Cann, T. Jackson, J. Douglas, J. Miller, etc.
I trust the Pats to be able to find someone in the mid-late rounds for the interior line, like they did last year with Stork.

This is exactly my train of thought: they could draft a guy in the first who ends up starting at G, but I don't think they draft a guy in the first that's only a guard. You can get guys like that later. As RO mentioned, Fisher is another option, having played guard as a freshman.

tims4wins · Apr 30, 2015

Shockingly, Reiss (in his one and only mock draft) has WR Phillip Dorsett to the Pats at 32. I don't see a WR in round 1 unless it is Agholor, but we've all been wrong before.

Either way, I don't think I am staying up until 11-11:30 tonight... or am I? Shit.

EL Jeffe · Apr 30, 2015

I've been thinking Dorsett the last day or so as well. The guy has legit T.Y. Hilton potential and can take the proverbial top off a defense. He helps open things up for Gronk, Chandler and Edelman, and he has the ability to flip field position with every touch. Granted, they were hoping to get that sort of player in Bethel Johnson years ago, but Dorsett seems much more advanced as a WR than Johnson ever was.

dcmissle · Apr 30, 2015

This may well be a trolling mock, but as one great Gunny once said, you all are equally worthless. PFT has Shane Ray to the Pats at #32:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/30/the-final-pft-mock-draft/

EDIT. While most of us do not expect this, ESPN has provided an answer, hopefully correct, to a question I had a couple of days ago. Per the network, for being cited for mere possession, he is "in the program". The League can random test him.

Super Nomario · Apr 30, 2015

EL Jeffe said:
I've been thinking Dorsett the last day or so as well. The guy has legit T.Y. Hilton potential and can take the proverbial top off a defense. He helps open things up for Gronk, Chandler and Edelman, and he has the ability to flip field position with every touch. Granted, they were hoping to get that sort of player in Bethel Johnson years ago, but Dorsett seems much more advanced as a WR than Johnson ever was.

They also used picks on speed guys Brandon Tate and Taylor Price - but they were all later in the draft. Johnson, Tate, and Price were all bigger than Dorsett, too. I can't see a first on a small speedster like this - that would be like the least Patriotsy thing Belichick has ever done.

ElcaballitoMVP · Apr 30, 2015

dcmissle said:
This may well be a trolling mock, but as one great Gunny once said, you all are equally worthless. PFT has Shane Ray to the Pats at #32:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/30/the-final-pft-mock-draft/

EDIT. While most of us do not expect this, ESPN has provided an answer, hopefully correct, to a question I had a couple of days ago. Per the network, for being cited for mere possession, he is "in the program". The League can random test him.

I heard Polian on ESPN talking about this the other day and he said guys like Ray can be randomly tested up to 10 times per month once they're in the program. You better be sure he can put the pipe down if you're going to use a 1st on him.

As for Dorsett, he's a binky of mine. I don't think I'd take him in the first though. He isn't a great route runner, from what I've seen/read. While his speed is a legitimate weapon, I worry that an all-speed guy like him would have a tough time picking up the offense. I'd rather wait until round 2 or 3 and see if Tyler Lockett is still on the board.

EL Jeffe · Apr 30, 2015

Super Nomario said:
They also used picks on speed guys Brandon Tate and Taylor Price - but they were all later in the draft. Johnson, Tate, and Price were all bigger than Dorsett, too. I can't see a first on a small speedster like this - that would be like the least Patriotsy thing Belichick has ever done.

As I recall, Tate was a 4.5 guy, maybe high 4.4s. Price and Chad Jackson ran fast combine times, but they didn't play fast. Dorsett plays fast.

That being said, I agree Dorsett wouldn't be a particularly Patriotsy thing to do, but I do know that Belichick respects that program, they could use some stretch speed at WR, and Dorsett is a legit prospect to be picked in that area.

dynomite · Apr 30, 2015

Really? Between Tyms/Dobson/Boyce I don't think they need speed at WR. I'll actually be pretty surprised if they invest early resources in that position in this draft (unless it's a potential game changing WR -- Green-Beckham, etc.).

EL Jeffe · Apr 30, 2015

Tyms and Boyce don't appear to be anything more than roster filler (potential healthy scratches when on the 53 man roster). (Boyce is another guy who ran a great combine time but doesn't really play that fast). I have hopes for Dobson, but 2014 was a lost year and who knows where his career is headed.

I could see NE not selecting a WR at all this draft, but I could also see them taking one at #32 if they love the player.

j44thor · Apr 30, 2015

Mayock last night had Randy Gregory going to NE. Is Mayock still considered a strong NFL insider? I haven't kept up with the draft as much in recent years but he used to be very good.
Seems like the type of risk/reward pick that NE would potentially make. Though this deadspin article is interesting.
http://deadspin.com/something-weird-is-going-on-with-randy-gregory-1701010088#

Ed Hillel · Apr 30, 2015

Bertrand just pulled something out of his ass, in Jimmy G plus a pick for Haden, and I have to admit, I think that's a great idea. Any chance Cleveland would consider, say, Jimmy G and a 3rd for Haden? I'd even consider giving up the first if pats got back a 2nd, maybe a 3rd.

j44thor · Apr 30, 2015

Ed Hillel said:
Bertrand just pulled something out of his ass, in Jimmy G plus a pick for Haden, and I have to admit, I think that's a great idea. Any chance Cleveland would consider, say, Jimmy G and a 3rd for Haden? I'd even consider giving up the first if pats got back a 2nd, maybe a 3rd.

Not to turn this into a trade thread but I think they could package Haden and one of their #1s plus something minor to get Mariotta. Don't see them moving Haden for anything else esp since they don't have quality CB's otherwise.
Does Jimmy G have any trade value? I feel like we are in Mallett for Fitz circa 2013 territory.

dcmissle · Apr 30, 2015

ElcaballitoMVP said:
I heard Polian on ESPN talking about this the other day and he said guys like Ray can be randomly tested up to 10 times per month once they're in the program. You better be sure he can put the pipe down if you're going to use a 1st on him.

As for Dorsett, he's a binky of mine. I don't think I'd take him in the first though. He isn't a great route runner, from what I've seen/read. While his speed is a legitimate weapon, I worry that an all-speed guy like him would have a tough time picking up the offense. I'd rather wait until round 2 or 3 and see if Tyler Lockett is still on the board.

Christ, that's once every 3 days if they choose. Josh Gordon may never get back in uniform.

I fully accept that a huge percentage of players smoke weed regularly. But not ones in the program. This is an enormous risk with a first-round pick, and there is no "lookin' the player in the eye" that will get you around it.

RedOctober3829 · Apr 30, 2015

Here is my one and only mock draft. Did not mock any trades.

1. Tampa--Jameis Winston
2. Tennessee--Marcus Mariota
3. Jacksonville--Leonard Williams
4. Oakland--Amari Cooper
5. Washington--Dante Fowler
6. NY Jets--Bud Dupree
7. Chicago--Kevin White
8. Atlanta--Vic Beasley
9. NY Giants--Brandon Scherff
10. St. Louis--Andrus Peat
11. Minnesota--DeVante Parker
12. Cleveland--Danny Shelton
13. New Orleans--Trae Waynes
14. Miami--Breshard Perriman
15. San Fransisco--Arik Armstead
16. Houston--Todd Gurley
17. San Diego--Ereck Flowers
18. KC--DJ Humpheries
19. Cleveland--Phillip Dorsett
20. Philly--Cameron Erving
21. Cincinnati--Jake Fisher
22. Pittsburgh--Byron Jones
23. Detroit--Malcom Brown DT
24. Arizona--Melvin Gordon
25. Carolina--Cedric Ogbuehi
26. Baltimore--Dorial Green-Beckham
27. Dallas--Marcus Peters
28. Denver--Jordan Phillips
29. Indianapolis--Landon Collins
30. Green Bay--Eric Kendricks
31. Seattle--Jalen Collins
32. New England--Shane Ray

--With the Pats, I agonized over Ray vs. Nelson Agholor. I think Ray is too enticing to pass up at 32 with their pass rush issues.
--Randy Gregory falls out of the 1st round.

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