So he is currently hitting .328 and has an outside chance of winning a batting title. .328 is also a career high. He's hitting over .455 since August 9. 51/112, including the 2/2 so far today. Altuve is currently at .342.
Pedroia is pretty good
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Interested in some historical comparisons, I found these numbers on baseball reference for single month BA:
Williams 5/1941 .436
Boggs 6/1987 .485
Nomar 6/2000 .452
Of course arbitrarily taking the month as a unit of time doesn't quite give the proper perspective. It would be nice to see how Pedey's hot streak stands up over a given number of plate appearances compared with the hottest stretches from Boggs and Nomar.
Williams 5/1941 .436
Boggs 6/1987 .485
Nomar 6/2000 .452
Of course arbitrarily taking the month as a unit of time doesn't quite give the proper perspective. It would be nice to see how Pedey's hot streak stands up over a given number of plate appearances compared with the hottest stretches from Boggs and Nomar.
George Sisler went 60/114 (.526) in June of 1920. That's the highest with at least 75 AB in a month.
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/nfzks
Edit: typo, thanks
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/nfzks
Edit: typo, thanks
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I was curious about how this season was comparing to Dustin's other seasons. Using BB-Ref. By OPS+:
2011, 131
2010, 127
2008, 123
2016, 120
2013, 115
By WAR:
2011, 7.9
2008, 6.9
2013, 6.3
2009, 5.6
2016, 5.4
We're seeing classic Pedroia. He's not pretty good, he's very good.
2011, 131
2010, 127
2008, 123
2016, 120
2013, 115
By WAR:
2011, 7.9
2008, 6.9
2013, 6.3
2009, 5.6
2016, 5.4
We're seeing classic Pedroia. He's not pretty good, he's very good.
Ever since the move to lead-off about a month ago, Pedey has been on a tear, taking his BA from around .297 to .329.
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He was actually sitting at .306 as late as August 24th. He's added 23 points to his batting average over 12 games at the tail end of a full season.
I wasn't sure if we'd see another 5 WAR season from him or not. If if he can do 6 more seasons averaging 2.5 per - pretty hard but not impossible, I think he's got a good shot at the HoF. He has not had a full season under 3.5, so health is going to be the biggest factor. That gets him to 60 which is where Ryne Sandberg ended up.
No 39 year old's are even average regulars at 2B at the end, but he could buffer that with a few more seasons being an upper third regular. Voters would have to squint past the offense and give his defensive metrics a good hard look, but 10 years from now, hopefully stat cast could be all over that.
He's already gotten the ROY and MVP with 2 World Series championships and some supporting all-star seasons. And he has big bonus points for "playing the game the right way," with zilch in the way of PED suspicion.
No 39 year old's are even average regulars at 2B at the end, but he could buffer that with a few more seasons being an upper third regular. Voters would have to squint past the offense and give his defensive metrics a good hard look, but 10 years from now, hopefully stat cast could be all over that.
He's already gotten the ROY and MVP with 2 World Series championships and some supporting all-star seasons. And he has big bonus points for "playing the game the right way," with zilch in the way of PED suspicion.
I've often wondered if he had an outside shot at the Hall of Fame. What's amusing to me, is while I think he should be a serous candidate, he will likely be hurt by folks who take an overly simplified view of what makes a player "great" while at the same time, will likely also benefit from other folks who will make (IMO) dumb arguments about how scrappy he is and how he was part of this era of Red Sox.
He shouldn't get into the Hall of Fame because he was an undervalued amateur who succeeded despite being small. Nor should he go in because he was a part of an excellent series Red Sox teams over the course of his career.
If he puts up the resume to get elected, it should be because he's a well above average offensive contributor and a spectacular defensive player. The trouble is that he doesn't have any sexy numbers outside the defense. His offensive game rests on being above average on everything. But there aren't the home run or steal totals that get voters excited. His career average is excellent, but not elite, nor is his OBP (unless we're just talking 2b).
If he sticks around and his healthy for the next 6 seasons, he very well could end up with 2750 hits... but beyond that nothing is eye popping from a traditional standpoint.
I was having this conversation (HOF) with my wife, the injuries are such a misfortune to his hall eligibility. 2010 looks an awful lot like his MVP season prior to injury. Between the ankle and the thumb, I thought we would never really see him play like "pedey" aka "Laser show" again. This year has been fun to watch for a number of reasons, and Dustin is one of the big stories for me (i know, blasphemy with Papi, Mookie, JBJ, etc).
Is this the recovery of strength and flexibility to the thumb? I have been wondering, how likely is 4war next year, or what does the probable war distribution look like next year?
Is this the recovery of strength and flexibility to the thumb? I have been wondering, how likely is 4war next year, or what does the probable war distribution look like next year?
The AL has a lot of pretty good 2nd baseman (Cano, Altuve, Kinsler, Kipnis ) and Altuve will likely steal some GGs and ASG appearances from Pedey going forward, but if he can put together a few more pretty good years, it might be hard for BBWAA voters to ignore the guy's body of work.
There is a slug of "intangables" to Pedey's value.
And fwiw (zero) the guy is among my top 5-10 Sox in watching the Sox since the late'50s.
There is a slug of "intangables" to Pedey's value.
And fwiw (zero) the guy is among my top 5-10 Sox in watching the Sox since the late'50s.
Why would be talking anything other than just 2B? He's not going to be judged as a Hall of Famer based on how his career compares to all baseball players. It's going to be based on where he stands among second basemen all time. The Hall of Famer he seems to compare most favorably to, especially if he reaches that 2700 hit range you project, is Roberto Alomar.
Alomar hit .300/.371/.443 for his career. Pedroia is currently at .302/.367/.445.
Alomar accumulated 66.8 bWAR in 17 seasons. Pedroia is at 50.2 in 10+.
In WAR7 (best seven seasons of WAR), Alomar totaled 42.8 while Pedroia is at 42.2 and likely going up as the current season is among his seven best already.
I also think the whole "traditional stats" thing is going to become less and less important to HOF voters as the old farts age out and younger, more stats-conscious voters come in.
Alomar was (likely incorrectly) seen as one of the greatest defensive 2b of all time. He also stole 474 bases and hit 210 homers. He appeared in 11 All Star games and won 10 Gold Gloves. Additionally, while I think most folks understand that he played in a more offensive era, I think even we "smart" fans underestimate the importance of seasonal adjustments.
I think he's a much better traditional candidate than Pedroia.
I am absolutely sympathetic to the argument that they are comparable- I'd even say during his best years, Pedroia was better- but I think we can't assume that enough of the voters will be able to divorce the perception of Alomar in the 90s from the reality of what he really was.
I think he's a much better traditional candidate than Pedroia.
I am absolutely sympathetic to the argument that they are comparable- I'd even say during his best years, Pedroia was better- but I think we can't assume that enough of the voters will be able to divorce the perception of Alomar in the 90s from the reality of what he really was.
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I am fairly confident that Pedroia will make the Hall of Fame given a reasonable aging curve. He's also the Red Sox best position player since Boggs.
The all-star thing is interesting. We know it's a fan vote, and that deserving players sometimes (often?) get left off, and who cares it's just an exhibition, blah blah blah.
But.... It comes up big-time when talking about HOF candidacies. So while sometimes we joke about the all-star game here, for some players, that stuff actually might matter.
I think it's relevant if you want to emphasize the fame in Hall of Fame; fan appreciation is definitely a critical component of that.
It's a lot harder than the typical time period to get named to the All Star game with Altuve, Cano and Kinsler in the same league. Dozier now too. That's a historically really great set of 2B.
I don't think that players should be rewarded or punished because of ballot stuffing or the unwillingness of a fan base to ballot stuff for the All-Star game as well as the arbitrary league decisions to invalidate votes that they didn't tell us about. Most people I know don't even vote anymore because of the losers who vote 5 billion times. Hello Royals fans.
I don't think that players should be rewarded or punished because of ballot stuffing or the unwillingness of a fan base to ballot stuff for the All-Star game as well as the arbitrary league decisions to invalidate votes that they didn't tell us about. Most people I know don't even vote anymore because of the losers who vote 5 billion times. Hello Royals fans.
I dunno. I have a hard time seeing his body last at the position into his mid-late 30's. His aggressive style of playing doesn't help at all either.
Four out of the last 6 years he's basically had season-ending injuries, and two of those years he missing 60+ games. I somehow doubt he suddenly turns into a freak ironman like Cano for the next half decade.
Betts has had a terrible September himself. As has Donaldson. Pedroia did win his MVP award based on the way he finished the season once before...
If Pedroia takes the batting title from Altuve, and Mookie and Donaldson have meh Septembers, that's the one scenario in which I think Trout has a real shot.